Ummmm... Ok...Specifics?More importantly, what's
the solution? Elect more tea party obstructionists? Yay. That'll fix our
country for sure!When will we learn that we are under attack from
special interest groups and not the federal government boogeyman?
Way to go, Chicken Little. The glass is not half full or half empty, it's
shattered. Head for the bunker!
Government encroachment on civil liberties? Easy to determine if this is true or
not! Contact the IRS for further information! Or better yet, ask the White House
for explanations for Benghazi, fast and furious and targeting reporters and the
IRS' abuses of citizens they don't like politically. Ask Lois Lerner
or Susan Rice or Robert Mueller for answers to the question about the abusive
out of control government! See how easy it is to answer the question about our
government? "By their fruits we will know them" The most corrupt
federal government in the history of our nation!
"Recent actions by the Supreme Court, Congress and especially the presidency
show that states and the people are losing more and more of their sovereign
power to federal tyranny."Do you have any recent examples you
would like to discuss? I'm always up to discussion, but I need something
to discuss." — even losing their ability to enforce
federal laws, laws which the executive branch refuses to enforce on its own.
" Again, I need a specific. The only example I can think of that
comes to mind is implementaion of parts of the failed Dream Act. Not exactly
recent, but is this what you want to talk about? "The Bill of
Rights is under assault from every direction, and those seeking its eradication
are in Washington: Republicans and Democrats."This is pretty
serious! By whom, from where? Are you referring to the recent "NSA
Scandal"? Which is really the consequence of the Patriot Act that has now
been law for nearly ten years? Or is there something more recent?Please give me something to discuss.
The other day I was out driving with my wife. I came to a spot where I wanted to
make a left turn, but there was a sign there that said "No Left Turn".
It's that darn Obama stealing my freedoms again. Who is he to tell me where
I can and can't turn left? Isn't this supposed to be a free country?
We don’t have too much government, we have too many governments.Because business interests have too much control over our governments, with
different businesses supreme in different governments, our government is brought
into the fierce competition that is the nature of capitalism. Competition is
good for capitalistic business, bad for government of the people. Nowhere in our lives do we segregate and allow our chosen control entities to
be from different interests. Like with religion, we chose a single religious
source and do not accept any other. We may change our religion at will but
never practice two at the same time. I am an American. I am a
Utahn only because I live here. I prefer the American government over the Utah
government. I don’t need governments to compete for my loyalty.
You forgot to mention death panels, birth certificates, and how Obama is coming
to take away our guns.Can we secede already?
The Bill of right has now become a personal political agenda tool. That would
shock the framers.
It's appropriate to examine the actions of the IRS and the NSA, but from
all reports nobody's done anything wrong. The IRS is supposed to examine
political-sounding applications for tax exempt status. The NSA is supposed to
monitor communications for terrorist plots. The FISA court empowered by writ
everything NSA has done. So where is the illegality?
The only thing I got from this letter is insight into the thinking of its
For goodness sakes turn the Hate Radio off and leave it off. That stuff rots
The sky is falling.
Ultra Bob,Are you saying we should just do away with State Governments
(when say, "We have too many governments)? Because that's the
opposite of what the US Constitution says. Your cavalier attitude about State
Governments not being needed and it would be OK if the Federal Government just
took over everything and supplanted State Governments... is the exact problem
the author was pointing out.You are obsessed with capitalists and
businesses taking over the government. That IS a risk, and something we the
people need to guard against (because the politicians certainly won't tell
them to stop sending money to them).The thing you fail to realize
is... if we consolidate all power at the Federal Level and do away with State
Governments... big businesses only need to buy off 278 people to control the
government. They can't buy all the State legislatures. For one all
States don't want the same thing, so they would not sell out. All States
are not the same. That's another reason why it's good to have
governance at the State level (instead of pretending the Feds know what every
state needs or wants).
@Darrel, I don't know what the author of this letter intended, but
let's throw a few on the table.Obama, has ignored the current
Immigration laws by stopping enforcement of illegal aliens under 30. He has
refused to enforce the drug laws, especially the recreational pot laws.
According to the DC Circuit Court, he unconstitutionally appointed members to
the NLRB, who in turn, passed rules and adjudicated cases. He has refused to
enforce the migratory bird act when it comes to "green" energy. He
endorses the NSA meta-data searches, which are done under a FISA general
warrant. General warrants are unconstitutional and violate the 4th Amendment.
(you should see my Bush list)I could go on, but let's move to
SCOTUS. This week they ruled that your silence can be used against you in
Court. They have, since 1978, continually expanded exigence circumstances that
override the 4th Amendment. Your 4th Amendment rights are quickly
disappearing.There has been, since FDR's New Deal, a consistent
chipping away of the founders intentions when they wrote the Constitution.
Contrast the founders' intentions with the activities of the recent
Executive & Congressional Branches and SCOTUS' decisions.
It sounds to me like you need to stop listening to so much right wing
hate-filled radio shows. There are too many people in Utah that seemingly
cannot formulate opinions on their own and instead turn to Limbaugh, Hannity,
and Beck to tell them what they should think. Seriously folks,
there comes a time when people need to grow up, think for themselves, and admit
that President Obama and the Federal government are not trying to destroy our
freedoms. I would suggest people calm down, take a deep breath, and realize
that Conservative radio is not nearly as "right" as some people seem to
think it is.Remember this folks - the Democrats, the Illegal aliens,
the homosexuals, MSNBC, and Nancy Pelosi, are not these evil entities that are
out to get you anymore than are the Republicans, the Eagle Forum, or the Utah
@FitzThank you! Had the original letter been written
like that, we could have had a real discussion.
2 bitsIf you believe God produced the Constitution then you must accept it
inviolate, but if you believe that the Constitution was produced by men who were
primarily businessmen and politicians all. Then you might be able to accept
that some parts of it are obsolete. The world has changed and our needs,
desires and abilities have changed. Business has changed. In the start up
time, there was no business or individual that could rival the government. Today
the corporations and perhaps some individuals can buy and sell governments as
they please. Government has not changed. Government is still
primarily focused on providing the environment for the protection and
convenience of business. Politics is mainly the art of deception.
Like the magician the viewer is distracted so that they don’t see
what’s going on someplace else. When there are too many
governments, our attention can be diluted to the point of being ineffective.
While you worry about the few being bought, I suggest that you consider that
there will be many more eyes on the few.
Seems the only defense the left can come up with is..."right wing
hate-filled radio... right wing hate-filled radio... right wing hate-filled
radio".If you really don't know of any examples of DC power
grabs of things that are not specifically given to the Federal Government in the
Constitution (and therefor are left to the States)....-Education
(common core, etc)-Definition of "Marriage" where was that
given to the Federal Government in the Constitution? It should be up to the
STATES to decide (as many are), but there are many in Washington who want to
step in and define it for all States.I remember many Left-leaning
posters complaining about BUSH's power grabs back in the day. Did they
not exist? Of course they did! But you conveniently forge them when you start
playing cover for the new administration. The Washington power-grab has been
going on for over 60 years people!I could list many more but
we're limited on words here.
Mike,You can't claim "the people are losing more and more
of their sovereign power" to the federal government and then decry that the
federal government isn't "enforcing federal law." Either the
enforcement of federal law (passed by the federal government) is stealing power
from the people, or it isn't. You can't argue both sides of the
coin.Please take a basic reading comprehension class before
submitting your next letter.
I see institutions like the supreme court as a moderating influence, protecting
my rights from the howling mob.
to The Real Maverick"Specifics?"How about
Citizens United & Kelo v New London?
Why is the Supreme court making laws. Doesn't congress read their own
stuff or make logical decisions.
The "superiority complex" of some posters is so strong now days.
Insisting people take basic reading comprehension class before you allow them to
post again, or until you will stop looking down your nose at them... is just
juvenile.We're here to express opinions.Ultra
Bob,I don't see the Constitution as perfect or unchangeable.
Obviously it's changeable because we have several amendments to it already.
But if we change it... lets go through the process and SHOW that the vast
majority wants it changed. Don't just let 9 people in black robes who are
in no way accountable to the people change it (we can't unelected them if
we disagree with them... can we?).The Supreme Court is probably the
most valuable branch of government IMO (when it does it's job right, which
is to apply the Constitution without ANY consideration of Republican OR Democrat
or popularity). Because IF they just apply the Constitution (and not their
personal beliefs)... I don't think they'll go far astray. But they
DON'T do that today.The founding fathers understood human
nature. The constitution is based on that understanding. Human nature
He forgot the bogey man.