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  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 17, 2013 12:17 a.m.

    Stop witch-hunting, GOP. It failed under Clinton, and it will fail now.

    J. Andrew Smith

    ======

    And since there is no smoking gun,
    they won't stop until they find another stained, blue dress.

    It made Rush Limbaugh a Billionaire.

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    June 17, 2013 5:55 a.m.

    Our politics seems geared for the perpetual witch hunt. That whichever party holds the White House is doomed to a never-ending stream of such.

    This is not to say there are not real reasons for concern in most administration - this one included. But the manner we go about this (carefully for the benefit of the nation, or political gamesmanship for the "benefit" of the party not in the White House) makes a huge difference.

    Both sides are guilty (in different election cycles). We need to break the chain.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    This letter typifies the hypocrisy and passive/aggression of Obama sycophants
    If the IRS were targeting liberals, the left would come unglued.
    But when the left gets caught - the standard response it to go into victim mode in an attempt to divert attention away from their perpetrating status.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 17, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Andrew,

    The court that authorizes all this domestic spying was initiated by Carter (D).

    The Patriot act originally passed with a majority of dem votes.

    The act would not have been renewed in 2011 had it not been approved by a dem senate and signed by a dem president.

    Verizon reports NSA info requests have INCREASED 15% each year under BO.

    If bush dropped a breadcrumb in a stream, you’d justify BO dropping 40,000 tons of toxic waste because “bush dropped stuff in first!!!!”

    You are OK violating the freedom of the press protections enshrined in the First Amendment?

    You are OK with using the IRS to target the political opposition?

    It’s only a witch hunt when they are investigator YOUR side.

    Dem hypocrisy is stunning.

    LDS? lib,
    No smoking gun?

    Open your eyes and your ears and you MIGHT learn something.

    Not even ONE among the thousands the BO misadministration sold to Mexican drug lords?

    Not ONE when we KNOW the BO WH LIED about Libya?

    We KNOW he spied on the AP

    We KNOW groups opposed to his policies were targeted by the IRS.

    Your willful blindness truly is tragic.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    June 17, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    Conservatives think that each new "scandal" is weakening the dreaded Obama's presidency, when in fact the opposite is true. Think of a sports fan who always crys about the officiating. The GOP's constant droning against all things Obama is causing people to tune out the harping, remember the boy who cried wolf?

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Sorry, Mr. Smith, but criticism of the spying program has been bipartisan and hypocrisy thrives on both sides of he isle. If Democrats had not stone walled the Benghazi and IRS investigations, perhaps Republicans would be more trusting. The spying program has become more troublesome since the IRS fiasco of targeting political philosophies and then illegally releasing private information to Propublica, a left wing group sponsored by George Soros. Government information is not secure. How long before the NSA has leaks of information during a coming election campaign?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 17, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    Liberal Larry,
    folks are finally catching on to BO

    new CNN poll

    BO's approval ratings are dropping, only 45% now approve, 54% disapprove

    61% disapprove of his domestic spying

    57% disapprove of his handling of the economy as it struggles to improve

    less than half believe he is honest and trustworthy.

    more and more folks are discovering what conservatives have know all along. BO is bad news for the country

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 17, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    Andrew,
    It's not a witch hunt. It's Congress's job. Part of the job of Congress is to have oversight into things the Executive_Branch is doing (it's part of the way our founding fathers setup our government so that one branch, one man, or one party, can't control everything with carte blanche and do whatever they want with no oversight or anyone questioning what they are doing). Do you want Congress to NOT do their job for some reason?

    I'm reading a book on Terrorism, 2 things that are critical for civil war and terrorist regimes to take hold is... "Uncertainty" in the population, and a majority that won't question their overseers.

    Uncertainty in the future (the economy, your job, what form of government they will have, who will be in control, what they will do, can you live the way you want, etc)... leads to the population giving in just hoping it won't get worse. In the past the advantage America has had over countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc, is "certainty" in our future and the ability to question our leaders.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    June 17, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    The real scandal was Bush's secret surveillance WITHOUT the approval of the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court. In 2005 justices resigned from the court when they found out that Bush-Cheney Co. was simply ignoring them. Although I wish there was no FISA court,at least the current administration respects the FISA court.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    June 17, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Lost.

    Obamas approval ratings are still 40 POINTS higher than the fake news/tea party dominated congress.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 17, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    "BO's approval ratings are dropping, only 45% now approve, 54% disapprove"

    Where do you folks get your information from? Foxnews? Rasmussen? The same folks who predicted that Romney was going to win? How'd that work out for ya?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 17, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    I think we should not implore them to stop the witch hunt. It is a foolish exercise to hunt witches, so let it proceed. Asking that it stop only suggests malfesance. So let it go on, because buried in it is the ability to end up looking foolish. Let them find it.

  • Liberal Today Murray, UT
    June 17, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    Why should we worry about the government collecting massive amounts of material that could be re-arranged to create evidence to jail people, send the IRS after people, or to send drones on people? Our party is in charge. They will not hurt us. They will only go after those radicals of the other party that we dislike so much. With that kind of power on our side, the republicans will never win another election. The IRS is seeing to that.

    Call on your Obama-phone and tell your elected representatives that you want them to leave the NSA alone to do the job that needs to be done for this country's protection against smaller government. In fact, we should channel more money from the military to the NSA so we can keep our own citizens in line. The Middle East is so far away. Terrorists just don't make the journey from there to here to hurt us. Take money from the INS too. Those undocumented people here don't need watching near as much as the citizens of that other party, especially the ones that listen to the radio.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    June 17, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    It's truly sickening how political parties have killed this country. Political parties create partisanship and partisanship creates no accountability and our "leadership" can get away with anything.

    So if I murdered someone, can I just blame it on Ted Bundy doing it first and use that to get out of jail?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    "61% disapprove of his (Obama's) domestic spying"

    Brilliant example of failed thinking in today's partisan politics. If you think the NSA program is Obama's, then you think it would have gone away if he hadn't won re-election. Wrong. Completely wrong. If Mitt Romney had won the election, Mitt Romney would be defending the value of the NSA program.

    You cannot solve a problem if you don't know the cause. Obama is not the cause.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    June 17, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Liberal Today.

    "Why should we worry about the government collecting massive amounts of material that could be re-arranged to create evidence to jail people, send the IRS after people, or to send drones on people? Our party is in charge. They will not hurt us. They will only go after those radicals of the other party that we dislike so much. With that kind of power on our side, the republicans will never win another election. The IRS is seeing to that."

    Holy Smokes! Are you being sarcastic with this comment? Hope you are because it sounds like you have been taking lessons from Adolf Hitler. But I'm glad your only going after Republicans and not Libertarians where the true threat to you police state utopia exists.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    @The Real Maverick
    It came from CNN (45-54). Naturally whatever the worst poll is any given day is the one that is used by conservatives. I could easily use the Time poll (48-44) but I'd rather be legitimate and use the RealClearPolitics average of polls which gives 46.4-48.4.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    June 17, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Rather than this childish finger pointing banter why not try to change this privatization of our nation's security. I think it is amusing to see the rants when POTUS continues his predecessor's agenda and all of a sudden the "sky is falling". Our government is beholdin' and it ain't to the citizen.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 17, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    I remember Democrat Leaders (including Nancy Pelosi) pledging May 7 2006 to block EVERYTHING President Bush tried to do in his second term and to fill the Congress's time with continuous investigations of various nature IF they could get the 15 seats needed for a House Majority in the mid-term elections.

    Google "Democrats pledge probes of Bush".

    There are several articles on this Democrat pledge and the agenda of endless investigations to make it impossible for President Bush to accomplish anything on his agenda.

    I remember seeing it on TV. They were VERY open about their intent to tie up Congress in nothing but investigations. There was also a big Democrat movement (call it a "Witch Hunt" if you will)... to Impeachment the President, the Sec of Defense (Donald Rumsfield) and the Sec of State, at the time. Do you remember that?

    So Andrew... IF you were writing letters like this back then (and not just now)... Then I have total respect for you. If not.... What can I say... You're just another partisan letter writer. Because it's basically the same thing.

  • Jl Sandy, UT
    June 17, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Still waiting for examples of right wing groups being denied 501(c) status from the investigations of the IRS. And Ms Counter did you know the NAACP was put through the IRS ringer in GWB's days? Didn't think you'd remember since Faux news didn't cover it.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    re: lost in DC

    "61% disapprove of his domestic spying:"

    And 61% of people own *smart*phones... that can not be a coincidence.... can it?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 17, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    To "Anti Bush-Obama" the problem isn't political parties, but Progressivism. The Democrats fully embrace Progressivism, and many the Republicans are "me too" Progressives. The problem isn't the parties as much as 2 visions of the same goal where neither one wants to let the other help.

    Had we kept to the Constitution and upheald much of what Conservatives would like to see, the NSA would not have happened, neither would the IRS, or many of the other recent scandals.

    If you can get rid of or put progressives into a minority position, things could change. Unfortunately the Progressives run the Democrat party and the Republican party.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 17, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Whatever,
    So what if they are higher than their nadir, more folk are catching on to how bad this bozo is.

    Maverick.
    I guess you missed where I cited who conducted the poll. Cable News Network, aka CNN. That’s to be expected that you missed that, considering your track record.

    Moderate, ugottabekidn,
    Verizon reports NSA data requests increased 15% per year under BO. BO took what bush was doing and turbo charged it. I guess the idea of magnitude is lost on you.

    Jl,
    The IRS sat on the requests for over 1 year. Yeah, you got sold the concert ticket, but two days after the concert was over. What good did that do you? And you’re still OK with the IRS being used to target the political opposition.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    June 17, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    Re: "Republican hypocrisy constantly stuns me."

    But, liberal Democrat hypocrisy apparently doesn't. Obama railed against and ran against what he currently supports.

    That's apparently OK.

    He promised to run the most transparent regime in history. Has he?

    He promised to run the most ethical regime in history? Has he?

    He promised to close Gitmo's war criminal detention facility. Has he?

    He promised to fundamentally change politics, bringing us together in a less-divisive, post-political, post-racial, post-carbon cumbayah. Has he?

    The only campaign promise he kept was to make sure the price of energy would "necessarily skyrocket."

    But, I guess hiding one's real socialist agenda behind a thin veneer of patriotic Americanism is not seen by liberals as hypocritical.

    Only Americans who truly care about America trying to save America.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 17, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    Great... let's turn this into a debate of BHO's approval ratings!

    What... if his approval ratings are slightly above 50% instead of 48% we can't question anything he's doing? Give me a break!

    If you think numbers and approval ratings mean anything... just keep in mind that President Bush was being investigated by Congress when his approval ratings were at all time highs.

    Yes... it's a fact that President Bush once had an approval rating of 90% (Sept 21 2001). That's the highest of any American President in history BTW. President Obama's highest approval rating so far has been 69%(Jan 22 2009). (Source Wikipedia)

    Let's please drop the numbers game. It's not like if the approval rating means we can't question anything. Nor is a barely over 50% indication that it's massively popular or unquestionable.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    @Redshirt1701
    Except Progressives were the first and leading voices against the Patriot Act and FISA expansions of power. Turns out Progressives don't base their political views on "whatever Redshirt disagrees with".

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 17, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    To "atl134" they were also the first and leading voices FOR the Patriot Act and FISA expansions.

    Remember Bush, he is a Progressive. So were the people who sponsored the bill, remember Republican Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Jon Kyl (R-AZ) with Democratic Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY). I wouldn't call Dianne Feinstein or Chuck Schumer anything less than Progressive. Orrin Hatch is Progressive lite, Jon Kyl was the only conservative on the bill.

    You also forget that all but 1 Progressive in the Senate and House voted for the Patriot act, so apparently they were for it before they were against it. The winds blew a different direction and they sailed with them.

    You seem to excuse the biggest Progressive of them all who supports it. Obama, since taking the office of President has signed laws to reauthorize the Patriot Act, plus expand FISA.

    Your blinders seem to be obscuring your view of the bigger picture. You should really take them off and see what Progressivism is doing to this country.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    June 17, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    "If you can get rid of ... progressives..." What did you have in mind Redshirt? Concentration Camps?

    All the progressives you so hate are just as much a citizen as you. They also pay taxes. Probably more than you do.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    June 17, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    Lets's read this letter as if the opposing view wrote it:

    Democrat hypocrisy constantly stuns me.

    NSA spying: PRISM began ucontinues under Obama, who also renewed the Patriot Act, specifically to legalize such NSA actions, but only now the Democrat Party loves Obama for spying on us?

    AP phone hacking: Since when do Democrats object to finding leaks of secrets?

    IRS investigations: Politics aside, doesn't any group with "Progressive" or "Socialist" trying to set up tax shelters deserve investigation?

    Stop witch-hunting and demonizing the right, democrats. It failed under Bush, and it will fail now.

    -
    -
    Hmmmm... Just as valid.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 17, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    The surest sign that liberals have no intellectual defense for the actions of the President is when they invoke the name of George W. Bush.

    Who knew that Obama would model his actions after GWB... and that liberals would support it?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 18, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    To "Bebyebe" rather than going the Progressive route of putting people in internment camps, how about we do the more enlightened thing. How about we just stop voting for them and vote for Conservatives, or else impeach the Progressives where possible?

  • Gregory Hill Richboro, PA
    June 18, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Ah, Mr. CounterIntelligence, but the IRS was turned loose on the left. It targeted the NAACP and other civil rights groups for years. J Edgar Hoover targeted Martin Luther King. And the left did not "come unglued." It persevered and eventually enacted the Civil Rights Act, one of the greatest progressive achievements of this century.

    The only organization that ultimately was denied a tax exemption by the IRS in Ohio was, in fact, a left-leaning organization.

    The disproportionate hassle imposed upon Tea Party groups was stupid, and even to those of us on the left of the political spectrum, was an abuse of power that needs correction, but it was not illegal (there were some legitimate questions about whether these groups qualified for the exemption). In the end the witch hunting will produce no prominent witches, and the witch hunters will move on to some other fruitless endeavor.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 18, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    To "Gregory Hill" just because Hoover did it to the left, does that make it ok to do to the right? In other words, do the wrongs of the past justify the wrongs of today?

    Explain why going after King was wrong, yet going after the Tea Parties is ok? If the government is acting according to the political desires of a few, shouldn't we get to the root and and get rid of those politicians that use their government offices for political purposes?

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    I agree that wee should be concerned, but why is it now that so many republicans get so upset. Where were they back when Bush began all of this. Bush is the one who set it in motion! Besides, a lot of these Tea Party fanatics are fanatically anti government! Tell me, what do they think will happen when they start to attack our government? I think we should be concerned. Our government may need change, but some of these anti government people are scary. I guess they think living in anarchy would be better! It would be stupid to not consider what some of these people are doing! Without our government, what kind of life do you think we would have? Would people rather have a dictator.