Labor Dept. asked AP to pay more than $1M in FOIA request
There should be no need for secret government email accounts.But,
before Fox news turns this into a "bigger than Watergate" scandal you
should look into the 2007 case of the Bush White house officials using secret
email accounts.Not as justification, just as balance. In the words of Clinton."It takes some brass to attack a guy
for doing what you did"And this happens almost daily in
I came across this story on Yahoo this morning and then double-checked to make
sure it was an official AP article. It sounded like something that might be
made up, but sadly it wasn't. This is incredibly disappointing for an
administration that claims to be focused on government transparency. Looks like
they only wanted to give us an illusion of transparency.Time to add
one more government scandal to the ever-growing list. I've lost count of
how many there are at this point!
The most open and transparent administration - yep. Just a pack of liars.Joe,You can turn slick willy's words to "it takes some
brass to complain about a closed administration and then run one even more
closed yourself"But then we know to all you BO apologists,
it's always bush's fault.
Not an Obama apologist at all. And I never blamed Bush. But, stick
with your talking point if you must.If the GOP would hold their own
party to the same standards that they hold the Dems, I would be impressed.Same with the Dems.
Anyone want to bet that all our Congresscritters have secret email accounts,
too? Can you imagine the havoc we'd be able to cause if all of us had
access to all the emails of Orrin Hatch or Mike Lee or Jason or Rob or any of
Why shouldn't they have a secret email account? I do. I also have one that
I give out to anyone wanting data, and it is clogged with garbage. Can you
imagine what these guys get in a day? You'd never be able to sift through
it all to be able to deal with what's important.
Cybersecurity should be enforced at the highest levels. You cannot have a
secret account that cannot be monitored and known about to have an effective
government process. Also, all e-mails about officials business are to be
available for any actions taken or known about. This is part of the
GRAMA bill that the State of Utah tried to change a couple of years ago.
Legislators are officials working for the State of Utah. This is an aspect
where elected or appointed officials think they are above the law. They are the
law makers and the decisions and entities they deal with impact or can impact on
our lives as citizens of the State or Country.They may not like the
fish bowl effect but when they signed up for the campaign and got elected and
swore to keep an allegiance to the citizens and the Constitution of the State
and nation and uphold the law, they agreed to be open and frank with the
public.There really isn't a secret account as any account can
be traced or tracked. The Administrators of that system know it exists. It is
a selective access to law makers not really secret.
@one old man:Are you honestly saying Hatch knows how to use email?
I'm guessing he has some staffer print it off for him.
They are breaking the law by using their secret accounts to conduct official
business.Hiding actions which themselves are quite likely also
illegal or unethical.If they want a secret account (on their own
computer, not a government computer) to have an affair, or buy drugs, or view
pron, that is an entirely different matter. That may be immoral, but not
something we care about because it is not our business.The Obama
administration is filled with corruptocrats used to flouting the law whenever it
suits them.Prosecute them to the full extent of the law for using
these secret email accounts to evade public scrutiny!
"The AP couldn't independently verify the practice. (?)The
AP asked for the addresses following last year's disclosures that the
former administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency had used separate
email accounts at work. The practice is separate from officials who use
personal, non-government email accounts for work, which generally is discouraged
– but often happens anyway – due to laws requiring that most federal
records be preserved.The AP asked for the addresses following last
year's disclosures that the former administrator of the Environmental
Protection Agency had used separate email accounts at work. The practice is
separate from officials who use personal, non-government email accounts for
work, which generally is discouraged – but often happens anyway –
due to laws requiring that most federal records be preserved."
What is the story? Is it that secret email accounts exist? Is it that the
government wanted to charge the AP more than $1,000,000 to release details? Is
it that the owners of those secret accounts were trying to avoid getting
"spam"?Most of us have more than one email account. I have
several, each allocated for a specific purpose. Does having several accounts
somehow make me a criminal, or does it mean that I don't want to miss
important emails from specific people that might get mixed in with the
"spam" that my main account gets - hundreds of emails offering
incredible products to turn me into a real "superman".I have
a very good friend who is using an email account on one of my servers. That
email account has only been used for his posts with the Desert News. He gets
more than 100 spam emails a day that go directly into his "trash". How
did that happen? How would an account used only to post comments on the Deseret
News invite "spam"? Investigate the demand for $1,000,000.
Read the email on the "secret" accounts.
@lost"...open and apparent...".When the
Republicans return to the Presidency, dissembling will return as well."...You can turn slick willy's words to "it takes some brass to
complain about a closed administration and then run one even more closed
yourself...".President Clinton was the POTUS 12 years ago...Thank you for personally extending the thoughtful comments/civil
dialogue timeline directed toward President Bush... at least until 2020.Thank you, as well, for your daily thoughtful comments which always
encourage a civil dialogue.
Obama's "most transparent administration ever" just keeps getting
darker and darker. There is basically no transparency left. Almost every week
brings more and more negative news concerning his administration. It
would've been great if Obama's campaign promises and statements
would've been genuine instead of just more political rhetoric, as they are
now being proven to be. The first 4 years should've been a warning to
everyone. Even his staunchest supporters, such as One Old Man (see
5th comment) can not justify such actions, so they sadly try such tactics as
diverting attention with pure speculation about Republican congressmen or
sometimes even sinking to the old blame-Bush game, which have absolutely nothing
to do with this article. That in itself says a lot about the low levels the
current administration is falling to. I sincerely hope things start getting
better from this point on. America deserves better.
It wouldn't be so bad if Obama had not promised transparency. His word is
worth about as much as Bill Cinton's word--nothing. Once again I am so glad
I don't have it weighing on my conscience that I was duped by this smooth
talker into voting for him.
jow blow,the problem is that Obama said on multiple occasions that Bush
was being too secretive and that it was not fair to the American people. He
also said the his admin would be one of transparency. If you are not going to
be transparent, don't promise you will while saying someone else was not.
Pure Hypocrisy. He deserves every bit of scrutiny and comparison he gets and he
has no one to blame but himself.
This is only the tip of the iceberg. If Department heads are doing this with a
lame excuse, then agency heads, deputies, assistants, SES and others are doing
it as they probably have more e-mail traffic than the Department Secretary or
Cabinet members. Skirting around IT rules is not allowed. However, IT managers
know how many accounts there are in a system. Employees at all levels are not
to subvert the system or are to be locked out as it destroys the cybersecurity
processes and accountability and tracking.
Most transparent administration.... ever!Indeed! LOLIts
turning into a daily joke now. All the scandals are coming out after the needed
reelection votes are no longer needed. The Obama Whitehouse
doesn't care about you Democrat supporters and your political beliefs.
Don't you understand that yet? They are making a mockery of your votes by
violating the constitution and all their campaign promises.Maybe
some of the critiques of Obama were correct after all.
When Obama said that he would run the most transparent administration ever, I
laughed. It reminded me of Nancy Pelose claiming to run the most ethical house
ever or Clinton saying about the same thing.When the
" ...... Some of President Barack Obama's political appointees,
including the secretary for Health and Human Services, are using secret
government email accounts they say are necessary to prevent their inboxes from
being overwhelmed with unwanted messages, ...... "The "most
transparent administration" has an excuse for every shady thing they do.
They are all paid liars.Oh, and did anyone notice that this morning
while Fox was airing the live witness testimonies of targeted IRS groups, MSNBC
was airing the live interview of a Seattle pothead. Go figure. The news blackout
by MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., is mind boggling.
Hutterite,Why shouldn't they have a secret email account??? Because
it's against the law! Ever heard of the "Freedom of
Information Act"? It applies to Democrats too.They can have
secret personal email accounts (like you) but they can't have secret work
accounts for doing their public job (which are subject to freedom of information
requests). We have a right to know what our government is doing. When thy
hide that (with secret email accounts, etc, that don't get searched in
freedom of information requests)... they are trying to circumvent the Freedom Of
Information Act (which is law).When you work for the government they
have the right to see your correspondence (just like your employer has the right
to read your work emails).Surely you know this...
Fast and furious mess, Benghazi, the attorney general spying on the press, the
IRS mess. Now this. Problem is; absolutely nothing will be done
about it, except maybe promote a couple of the guilty ones. Holders'
justice dept. will make sure of it.At some point, I would HOPE that
Mr. Obama loses control of his Democratic party. They probably need to start
distancing themselves from his administration if they ever hope to get
To call these accounts "Secret" is really just a way of making the
article more salacious.The correct title would be
"Internal". And, as long as they are willing to release these addresses
when a FOI request is made, I think it is not only appropriate, but just darn
good sense. Can you imagine how hard it must be to do business at the level
these people work, with just a "Public" email account. They would spend
their entire day just filtering email.So, it sounds like some,
perhaps even many are following the law in the way they use these accounts. The
only real concern is the ones we don't know about, the ones that are not
being provided with under a FOI request.Yes, it's true, I (a
conservative) am supporting Obama's administration (at least in this one
I think that perhaps the word "secret" is a bit of a negative swing. Not
Publicly disclosed and secret are two entirely different things.
I could see a need to have a non-public government email for internal
communication which might filter out Spam and filter out messages with less
priority, as long as it also subject to FOIA requests. It seems that some of
these officials are attempting to protect themselves from investigation/FOIA
requests, which isn't right.So far, there is at least one
documented instance of the former head of the EPA, Lisa Jackson, who setup a
fake email address under the name of "Richard Windsor", used to
communicate with outside groups and even complete EPA online training courses.
Does this really surprise any of us?
My Suggestion:Instead of spending 50 Million dollars to learn how to line
dance maybe the Government should spend some on E Ethics and maybe the IG's
should Enforce existing laws!
While the credibility of this administration is crumbling with corruption; IRS,
DOJ, Benghazi, Fed. Elections Commission and the EPA, the apologists continue to
blame Bush for Schulman's appointment to the IRS (He is a Democrat and his
wife is a far left fund raiser.), stone walling, denial, "all politicians
do it (very Chicagoan)," Republicans would do no better (maybe so) or just
sweep it under the rug. The party in power is responsible, let our leaders
recognize the problems, lead and get things fixed. Now the aura of corruption is
pervasive. Somewhere, someplace, Richard NIxon is smiling.
The EPA released a list of E-mail addresses used by the four people who served
as Administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency during the Bush
administration. Each had a public address and a private one:
Christine Todd Whitman Marianne Lamont Horinko Michael
Leavitt (yes, former Gov. of UT and currently on the editorial board of DN) Stephen L. JohnsonU.S. Senators and Representatives also
typically have non-published e-mail addresses, though Congress exempted itself
from Freedom of Information laws. It seems obvious that political figures of
both parties would need an unlisted e-mail address that cannot be easily guessed
for communications with advisers and colleagues — just as cabinet
secretaries private cell phone numbers would not be publicly available, though
their main office number would be.
I see people wondering what the "problem" is and claiming that these
officials have a "right" to private secret emails. This would be the
case for their PERSONAL lives. But these secret emails were used to conduct
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS meaning that we as a people are paying for those actions
that they insist on hiding. If there were no reason to have them other than to
"not receive certain messages" than why the delayed release, why the
demand of 1,000,000+ to release them?
yet this surprises the liberal supporters. they can look at our accounts with
ease but yet we are not allowed to see theirs. same as the irs mess. they
denied, delayed, destroyed. even if o did not say 'yes' to doing this
he still has dirty hands as with this secret emails. the fish rots from the head
Rex Lee vigorously taught us of the Executive need to confer privately, and why
it should be protected. Of course Ford was President, but these
'secret' emails are not illegal. FOA did not change the law. Ever
hear of a redaction? Thanks for your 2 bits though.
Do these guys and their press lackey's ever run out of excuses? Then we
have the DN collection of obama apologist flunkies who make like gumby, and try
to contort and stretch themselves into all kinds of positions to weakly claim
that obama is better then Bush. After a while, even Nixon had the decency to
step aside and admit wrong doing. Apparently obama is so full of himself, he
will never be able to do that. Lower then nixon...that's low!
It's absolutely pathetic the way these appointees behave. They seem to
believe they are an exception to the rule...but guess what? They are not...I
hope the American people are truly watching and listening to what is going on in
the Obama Administration because if they aren't they will join all the
others who have been "duped". Our USA is suffering because of this type
of class of people but hopefully next election we can get rid of as many as
possible and start with a more honest and intelligent slate of people.
If secret accounts are to avoid spam or other legal ethical reasons than OK. But
do you trust the Nixon Administration with secret accounts as much as the Obama
Administration?Let a grand jury see everything and decide if something
illegal is going on but make sure that that grand jury is composed of honest
real americans and not biased.
DN won't post my comment, despite numerous attempts.So,
I'll try leaving specific names out. But basically the heads
of the EPA under the Bush Administration had and used private e-mail accts.
Even our legislators know about the FOIA and GRAMA parts that they tried to work
around. It is for their protection and surety to have their official account.
If AG Swallow had been using his official e-mail account for his
"official" business he would have something to show an accounting for.
Even the non-CPA State Auditor may figure that out.
What, no June 5th comments on this story? Well here's one. When will
Obama supporters admit that their guy is just another politician acting like any
other politician. He no better, not special, and in no way, transforming. He
is a Xerox copy of most every other President we've had since Roosevelt.
Virtually every 2nd term President has scandle, and once again, we have it here.
In a speech (2009), Obama said their would be no secrets, and we would have a
transparent administration. It would be the 'rule of law'.The commander is not held accountable for his words. Deficit cut in half, and
I will not sign anything that would add a dime to the debt.We the
people should not be lied to.
I can hear Obama laughing.