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  • wer South Jordan, UT
    May 23, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    It's about money, and the homosexual agenda will not be satisfied with this decision or even if BSA welcomes homosexual adults with open arms. This conflict will not end in their minds until BSA teaches that any and all sexual orientation is acceptable and even taught as such by BSA.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    May 23, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    The door is now ajar. The winds of society have blown open the door.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 23, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Wer,

    Don't speak for people you don't know.

    Good call BSA.

  • ImABeliever Provo, UT
    May 23, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    Currently serving as Boy Scout Committee Chairman and having been a Boy Scout Leader
    in other capacities in the Boy Scouts of America for a number of years I thought I
    would never live to see something like this.
    Also, as a Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day - Saints living in Utah in gives me consideration whether to remain in the Boy Scouts Organization.
    It is true we are living in the Last days.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    May 23, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    BSA’s "change" upholds present standards and emphasizes inclusivness. The BSA has always accepted all youth who are committed to do their best to do their duty to God, country, fellow men, live up to the Scout law and who commit to keep themselves physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. Morally straight encompasses a tremendous commitment to do what is morally right including; no “sexual conduct, whether homosexual or heterosexual, by youth of Scouting age”. Homosexual conduct is still contrary to the virtues of Scouting.

    Same gender attraction is not the same as homosexuality and youth should not be advertising their sexual desires around the campfire or other scouting activities. Any youth who has a same gender attraction, as all scouts in all situations, should be protected from any hazing, bullying or harmful/embarrassing initiation, BSA forbids it. A Scout Master is obligated to help scouts learn to do right, live the oath taken. Counseling on moral and repentance issuess however are left to ecclesiastical leaders and are confidential.

    I hope the 70 percent of leaders who say they will limit or stop their participation will continue to full-heartedly support BSA.

  • lmc West Jordan, Utah
    May 23, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    I've been involved with Scouting in Utah for decades. I have been involved in Woodbadge Scoutmaster training for over 20 years. I have taught Youth Protection Training to new Scout leaders. I never knew that BSA did not allow youth to join if they had questions about their sexual orientation. Frankly, most normal 11-12 year olds are just beginning to notice there is a difference. There is no question regarding sexual orientation on the BSA application. Never has been. I have never known any youth to be denied participation. As a matter of fact I have always been instructed that LDS sponsored Scouting units invite and encourage all youth within LDS Ward boundaries to register whether or not they were LDS. The LDS Church always paid their registration fees so that all could participate.

    The first I heard that BSA "banned any boy joining Scouts" was when I saw it on the news. I didn't believe it then and it still has not been my experience despite hearing it repeated over and over by the media. The "new" policy is nothing new. It is exactly what has been done in every Scout unit with which I have associated.

  • paintandestroy Richmond/Cache, UT
    May 23, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    This is the right move, kids with conflicted sexual feelings should be welcomed in a nurturing environment where good role models can be found and a persons identity is the sum of many attributes, not just one- If the policy goes further to include homosexual adults I wouldn't think twice about distancing myself and my kids from scouts.

  • Abbygirl East Carbon, UT
    May 23, 2013 7:20 p.m.

    I am shocked, no stunned, no confused, all of the above! But I am sure that church leaders took it to the Lord, but it is worrisome to me, But who am I to question my Savior who died for ALL of our sins!

  • ClarkHerlin Provo, UT
    May 23, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    This is a good idea. At least within the Church, both Sacramental-worthiness and Scouting participation with be intertwined. The Church teaching no homosexual activity whatsoever (not just no homosexual sex). They'll do well on enforcing that as they currently do. The boys will be given their agency, but all will suffer the consequences, whether gay or straight.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    May 23, 2013 8:08 p.m.

    Not only is it the right answer, it is in tune with the LDS General Authorities. And that is good enough for me.

  • chris87654 LAKE SAINT LOUIS, MO
    May 23, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    Go Big Blue!!! sez: " Not only is it the right answer, it is in tune with the LDS General Authorities. And that is good enough for me."

    This may be true, but no one really knows what God thinks about the gay issues.
    What we DO know is God doesn't base His decisions on getting/losing votes, getting/losing members/dollars in a church, being "politically correct", or making changes based on a human majority.

    I've got to go with Mother Nature .... at this time, It's impossible for human gays to reproduce naturally.

  • Interloper Portland, OR
    May 23, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    "The BSA has always accepted all youth who are committed to do their best to do their duty to God, country, fellow men, live up to the Scout law and who commit to keep themselves physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight."

    Actually, the Boy Scouts of America allowed racial segregation through the 1970s in Southern and Southwestern councils. It is important to acknowledge the real history of all organizations, not mythology that whitewashes what occurred in the past.

  • JonathanPDX Portland, Oregon
    May 23, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    It's a shame it has taken this long to show boys who happen to be gay that they are worthy of being included in activities that are wholesome and uplifting. If people really believed all their propaganda about "hating the sin and loving the sinner", this inclusion would have happened long ago.

    It's important that young men have the ability to have good role models and to understand that they need not act upon their feelings, just because society seems to believe they should or that they will, but choose a more noble path.

    If we are to be truly Christ-like, then we need to stop judging others for their perceived sins or actions and start loving them for their potential as worthwhile and righteous children of God.

    I am proud to see the LDS Church growing to include those who truly need a moral compass in their lives, and to help teach them that Christ loves all his sheep, not just those with the whitest wool.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    May 23, 2013 11:07 p.m.

    I agree that this really doesn't change anything with regard to Church policy.

    However, I strongly believe that the Church was absolutely right in regard to Prop 8 and the definition of "marriage."
    And it disturbs me that ever since California and Prop 8 the Church has been pretty quiet in other campaigns redefining "marriage" across the States.

  • Dubai Holladay Dubai, UAE, 00
    May 23, 2013 11:29 p.m.

    It's about time...Being GAY is NOT a choice and for the Scouts to still be teaching ignorance, hatred and intolerance to other kids is a shame. This is not part of the diabolical homosexual agenda(who makes this stuff up?) Love is all around us, so why all the hate from Adults? I don't understand it, children are not born with Hate or Intolerance they learn it from Parents, Teachers and Preachers. I was born and raised in Utah and I never felt all the Hate that I'm seeing now. Wake up, Utah this should not be who you are.

  • John Wilson Idaho Falls, 00
    May 23, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    I'm not sure how I feel about the decision one way or the other. A 60 percent approval of the change still leaves a lot of no votes. It will be interesting to see how this works out. The only thing for sure is the so called activists are not finished, they have just started.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    May 24, 2013 12:04 a.m.

    First of all, nobody IS Gay. There are just people who do homosexual things and it is still considered wrong even by those leaders voting to allow Scouts with same-sex attraction issues to participate in Scouting. If a young man acts on his inclinations, however, he will be expelled from the BSA post haste, because the Scout Law says he must be "Morally Straight." And THAT presents the problem. Boys sleeping next to each other in a confined tent on a camp out may be tempted to push the limits. And this is why the policy should not have been changed. There are going to be problems. And decent families will likely be pulling their boys out of Troops as they hear of "awkward encounters."

  • BlueSouth MC KINNEY, TX
    May 24, 2013 12:41 a.m.

    Let's forget the religious and philosophical arguments for a moment and talk about this in practice... Does any parent want their son to go camping with girls? I assume most parents would say no... okay, then why? Is it because of the potentiality of sexual conduct between boys and girls on the camping trip? Would a parent feel different if the girl joining the camping trip was not sexually involved with their son or any other boy? So does this change if a boy has the same sexual orientation as a girl. He may not be acting on his impulses, but neither is the girl... so do we open the door to girls too? Oh wait, I guess some would argue that its different because in one case the attraction is mutual (boy-girl scenario) while the other is one way (boy-boy scenario). I don't think it really makes a difference. In practice this policy makes no sense.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2013 12:45 a.m.

    To my fellow members of the LDS Church who are complaining about the BSA, please remember...

    The LDS Church welcomes members who struggle with same-gender orientation.
    The LDS Church teaches all members to live according to certain principles.

    The BSA is only doing the same as we have been doing. Youth struggle with feelings, confused or not, straight or not. We still welcome them to Sunday School, young men's, ward camp-outs, and to sacrament meeting.

    We do not welcome sin, but we are also commanded not to cast out a sinner. We are all sinners at some point in some way. If we turn a boy away simply for having feelings, especially one who chooses not to act on them, then where do we stand?

    I marvel when I see some LDS parents take no measures to protect their children from the online world when they themselves once struggled for years because of the same lack of protections.

    When we will not help our youth (whatever their feelings), though their consequences be their own, we will have brought consequences on our own heads. The gospel is one of repentance, not exclusion.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    May 24, 2013 1:17 a.m.

    I have tried particularly hard to make this a civil and thoughtful post in hopes that it can somehow be approved by the editors and get posted.

    Here are my views on this issue: Nobody is "gay." Some people feel desires to engage in sexual relations with those of the opposite sex. These desires come from the evil one and if acted on are sin.

    I believe the BSA (and all of us) should be loving towards every young man and have the courage to teach every young man the timeless value that sex with someone of your same gender is not morally straight. When the BSA argued before the supreme court in 2000 they testified that that was one of their "core values." Today they decided that it is no longer so.
    I wasn't allowed to vote today, but I can vote with my wallet and my time. I will no longer give any money to friends of scouting or volunteer to work for the BSA in any way.

    I WILL continue to treat all people with love and respect and I will work in other ways to help young men learn timeless values.

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    May 24, 2013 4:15 a.m.

    I view this as a triumph for the free market. As I understand it, a number of businesses decided it was in their economic interest to adopt non-discrimination policies for their charitable giving. They asked the Scouts to reconsider their sexual orientation policies in order to continue to receive charitable donations. The Scouts, acting in their economic self-interest, did so. Isn't that the way the market is supposed to function?

  • Albert Maslar CPA (Retired) Absecon, NJ
    May 24, 2013 5:34 a.m.

    There is a difference between allowing gay membership in the BSA versus with open arms welcoming open homosexuals into its ranks, that instead should be much like the previous military rule of "Don't ask, Don't tell." This is a slippery moral slope and gay proponents already vowed to continue the fight to the next step of allowing adult leadership. After all, these kids will grow up and become adults, and then what, they are expected to sit on their hands and not push for adult leadership approval for open gays? Another genie is out of the bottle but there is always another bottle. The US is in deep moral trouble as about a 60% average are for gay this, that, and everything. Does Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind?

  • Springvillepoet Springville, UT
    May 24, 2013 6:48 a.m.

    To anyone opposed to this announcement:

    The idea of "morally clean" applies to all sexuality rooted thoughts, not merely homosexuality. It really bothers me to see everyone saying gay men and women are somehow automatically sexually deviant. Just because a person is heterosexual, it does not mean he/she is somehow exempt from being immoral. Yet, anti-gay thinkers have successfully hung the label of 'morally unclean' on those who identify themselves as homosexual. Moral cleanliness is a matter of behavior, not a state of being.

    Everyone has the right to prove themselves able to uphold a standard of behavior before they are found guilty.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Sexual orientation is of zero value in determining whether or not someone is a good person. All boys, regardless of their orientation, should be welcomed into scouting. Sexual orientation is as innate as being left-handed or blue-eyed.

    In less than a decade the ban on gay adults serving as scout leaders will fall and soon thereafter you'll be wondering what all the fuss was about. In retrospect it will appear silly.

    Life is more than sex. Release your anxiety about sexual orientation and see people as they are.

  • PolishBear Charleston, WV
    May 24, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    I'm Gay and I was in the Boy Scouts. My troop was sponsored by St. Raphael's Catholic Church in Potomac, Maryland. Admittedly this was back in the late 1960s to early 1970s, when the modern Gay rights movement was in its infancy, and the prospect of Gay youth "coming out" was unthinkable. But the fact remains that my sexual orientation was irrelevant to scouting activities, and I imagine the same went for the majority of boys who were Straight (i.e. heterosexual). The official Boy Scout Handbook was not heterocentric. The issue of sexual orientation, one way or another, was simply irrelevant.

    Gay boys and men have always participated in the BSA and always will, regardless of the official policy. I'm just glad the when boys in the scouts start coming to grips with a different sexual orientation (usually while in their early teens), they will not be kicked out when they need that social support structure the most.

  • Robert Johnson Sunland, CA
    May 24, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Good first step....but the BSA needs to understand and recognize that discrimination is wrong regardless of age. If it is wrong to exclude young boys on the basis of sexual orientation, it is just as wrong to exclude adults for the same reason. The BSA still has a long ways to go before I can once again say with pride that I was an Eagle Scout. Today, I am still ashamed to associate myself with the organization.

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    May 24, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    @Albert --

    "Does Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind?"

    You should read up on what Sodom and Gomorrah was really about.

    Sins linked to Sodom within the text of the Bible include adultery, lying, impenitence, careless living, wantonness, "filthy" lifestyle, arrogance, haughtiness, "careless ease", and failure to help the poor and needy.

    Specific sins which Sodom is linked to in the Bible include:

    adultery and lying (Jeremiah 23:14)
    impenitence (Matthew 11:23)
    careless living (Luke 17:28)
    fornication (Jude 1:7 KJV)
    "filthy" lifestyle (2 Peter 2:7)
    lasciviousness (Mark 7:22; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Ephesians 4:19; 1 Peter 4:3; Jude 1:4)
    wantonness: (Romans 13:13; 2 Peter 2:18).

    "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me." (Ezekiel 16.49-50 NASB)

    Wow, lookie there! A whoooole bunch of sins. Casting the first stone, are we?

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    May 24, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Sincere congrats to the BSA for finally getting it right. The momentum is there and I know that this spirit of tolerance and openness will lead to a loving acceptance of adults in Scout Leader positions very soon. It may be in the works already. For those of you with sourpusses over this, I have one suggestion. Take that frown---and turn it upside down!

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    May 24, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    While philosophically I agree with this decision, it spells the end of Scouting. Some religious groups will sithdraw their support. On the other hand, Gay Rights activists will push for homosexual adults to be accepted as leaders and the inclusion of gay
    . This decision did give the LDS Church breathing space and time to develop their own youth programs. Scouting in Utah has a life expectancy of only a few years now.

  • ImABeliever Provo, UT
    May 24, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    As a Boy Scout Leader; the BoyScout Oath is that a Boy Scout will live morally straight
    and the Boy Scout Law is that a Boy Scout will live clean in word and deed and both fulfill
    Duty to God.

  • oldschooler USA, TX
    May 24, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    I totally agree with Mack2828. I respect church response to BSA but do not agree due to the fact that opens the door for other issues. On my part I will keep being tolerant but never accept any thoughts or behavior that do not go along with the Gospel, this is just the begginning. Keep up the faith.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 24, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    the Church is caught in a pickle here. In the past 3 years both Elder Holland and Oaks have spoken on homosexuality and membership in the church. Both have made it clear that homosexuals are welcome in the church and are not denied ANY privilege including temple blessings so long as they don't ACT on their homosexual urges and break the law of chastity. I suspect that two homosexuals or lesbians could live together and so long as they don't have any sexual contact then everything is fine. So the Church MUST accept homosexual scouts without hesitation since it welcomes homosexual members. I suspect the percentage of homosexual 12 year old boys is going to be essentially zero but you might find the percentage higher for 15-18 year olds.

  • booshway Woods Cross, UT
    May 24, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    Step two on the slippery slope. The first was even considering making a change. As stated by some here the homosexuals will not be satisfied with this policy. They want full acceptance for their deviancy.

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    May 24, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    This is just the beginning of a slippery slope. The LDS Church says that sexual orientation was never a criteria, while that may be correct, homosexual kids were always very careful to keep their orientation to themselves. Over the next period of time we will see sexual orientation to be more overt, causing conflict. We will see parents keep their kids home from scouting activities because there is a homosexual in the troop and they will have fears about such associations. There will be efforts from homosexual adults to become scout leaders, which will end up in court (regardless of the SCOTUS decision). Problems will arise.

    There is no biblical scripture that supports the concept of homosexuality being acceptable to God, yet the BSA maintains that the Scout Oath's teaching of a scout's duty to God is still part of scouting. Hypocritical would be the appropriate term. This decision can only be classified as purely a concession to extreme outside pressure by a very small, but vocal minority. My brother was a life scout and has been in a homosexual relation for years with a guy I respect, so don't try to classify this comment as bigoted.

  • dustman Gallup, NM
    May 24, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    I was an LDS troop scout leader for a long time. It shouldn't matter what the kid's orientation sexually is. I'm cool with this. I'm glad the LDS church seems cool with it.

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    May 24, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    @Fitz --

    "There is no biblical scripture that supports the concept of homosexuality being acceptable to God"

    Actually, there sort of almost is.

    In Matthew chapter 19, Jesus is discussing marriage. At one point, his disciples say that it might be better not to marry women at all. And jesus responds:

    "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." (Matthew 19:12)

    The term "eunuch" was used broadly back then. Basically, it meant people who had no sexual relations with women.

    So, you see, even Jesus acknowledged that some people are "born" eunuchs -- in other words, homosexual -- and that "the one who can accept this should accept it."

    "My brother was a life scout and has been in a homosexual relation for years with a guy I respect, so don't try to classify this comment as bigoted."

    Unfortunately, many gay people are rejected by bigoted families. Family is no guarantee of acceptance.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    May 24, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    I will no longer donate, participate, endorse, or accept any calling requiring membership in the BSA organization. The church needs to wake up before they are dragged down the road of Law Suits from all gay activists' organizations and all that they represent. The BSA in the days of President Monson's youth is no longer the BSA of Today. Wishing it so will not make it happen. BSA has chosen to go down a road that I can not follow.

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    May 24, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    "Being GAY is NOT a choice and for the Scouts to still be teaching ignorance..." -Dubai Holladay, 1129 pm.

    For most of my life, I thought homosexuals were deviants. I did my share of looking down my nose at them, believing them to be sinners destined to be burned, as was Sodom and Gomorrah. In recent years I have read so much about all kinds of medical research into all kinds of conditions. It seems clear that there are genetic or other biological reasons for all our conditions.

    I believe now that same-sex attraction is natural and biologically-rooted. It is seen in nature among animals. We see it among humans. Same-sex attraction comes in varying degrees of intensity, as does heterosexual attraction.

    How the Lord wants us to treat each other is not always clear (e.g. the black race). But we should be open minded, which will help us be accepting and loving of all.

  • David Gale Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    I'm stunned by these illogical responses. While trending is moving towards accepting openly gay people into society, this should not be the basis for this decision. Rather, it should be based on the moral principle that to discriminate against any person who is different is wrong. Catholic and LDS teaching is clear - discrimination is wrong! Our Constitution protects the minority from the majority when it comes to civil rights. Leaping to judgments that there will be sexual activities in scouting is naive. Closeted homosexual people have been members of the BSA for generations. To bring this out in the open only helps young men learn how to live honorable lives, whatever their sexual orientation. Teaching exclusion and leaving those who might benefit the most from scouting on the sidelines is counter intuitive. How many more suicides do we want to have on our hands because of homophobic positions? No one is condoning any sexual behavior, whether opposite sex of same sex orientated. Inclusion will do more good for society than excluding. It long ago we naively believed segregating blacks from white drinking fountains, bathrooms and bus seats was a way of protecting our children.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 24, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    I am happy the LDS church is on the correct side of this issue.

    The BSA has moral standards appropriate for young people but nobody should have to lie or pretend they are someone they aren't. We need to embrace our gay brothers and sisters and teach our children to respect and love others as God commanded us.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    May 24, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    Why is it okay for a "faithful" LDS member to openly declare that the Church is wrong on this BSA issue, including suggesting they will refuse a calling to serve in the organization (a calling that presumably comes from God), but it is not possible to be "faithful" if a member openly declares that the Church is wrong on the Prop 8 issue in the eyes of the "faithful" LDS posters here?

    What a curious observation.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    David Gale,

    Agreed!

    I am LDS and accordingly I believe certain things...

    I believe in recognizing one form of marriage. I believe acting on feelings isn't justified by the existence of them, but whether they are moral or not. I believe each of us face challenges with feelings and at some point must learn temperance.

    We're all in a fallen state, etc.
    We make mistakes.
    We're subject to temptation.

    It's called being human, being subject to feelings, part of our nature in this mortal existence we call life. "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression."

    So a boy has feelings. Welcome him, teach temperance and virtuous if he will listen. Even those excommunicated from our church can still attend. It's never about excluding but helping and teaching.

    This isn't an LDS or Catholic issue, but those upset aren't accurately representing the faiths they profess to believe in, thus I intend to. Repentance is a path of inclusion, welcoming, and love.

    It is because I am LDS, welcomed into the fold despite my imperfections, that I welcome all young men as Boy Scouts.

  • cheute79 Longmont, CO
    May 24, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    This is really not a change. Unless the BSA added it in the past 4 years, there was no requirement that a boy state, swear or otherwise affirm that he was not homosexual. I have never known any troop, District or Council to ask if a boy was homosexual in the past. I've started (chartered) at least 4 troops in 2 states, and never faced this as an issue. I also know that over 40 years ago when I was a young Boy Scout there was a member of my Patrol who ended up homosexual. We shared a tent sometimes. I'm quite sure that at the age of 12 or 13 he had no defined or chosen sexual orientation. How many 12 or 13 year olds do? So, if you are aghast at the announcement, realize it is only an affirmation of the policy that the BSA has always had.

  • No Use for a name Logan, UT
    May 25, 2013 1:00 a.m.

    I feel this was the right decision made by the BSA. Boys this young need good role models and friends that will accept them no matter what. If I had a son who had same sex attraction I would want him to be able to have the same opportunities as any other boy who doesn't have that issue. It's sad to see anyone ostracized for having different tendencies than someone else. We just need to be clear to teach them about chastity and not shy away from the homosexual issues. There is still a lot unknown about this issue , but if we just keep sweeping it under the rug it just keeps getting dirtier. People who identify as gay are good people and have the same life goals as straight people. They aren't all haters of religion, but because they have these tendencies life decisions are much more difficult, especially if they are brought up to be religious. We should be supportive and helpful in making good moral choices. It's an issue that tests both sides of the fence.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 25, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    The gay community doesn't care about kids as much as they care about their issues, which is acceptance of something immoral. The Scouts are walking a very thin line, something the gay community will only see as a way to eventually get full 'acceptance' of the gay lifestyle. The church's stance is thus: We know we have members who struggle with adultery, pornograpy, homosexuality, dishonesty, abuse, etc; We welcome all of God's children to come to the waters of Christ, but if you are tempted to adultery, don't do it; if you are tempted to pornograhy, don't do it, if you are tempted to homosexuality, don't do it. The church hasn't changed their stance on the evils of Homosexuality one bit. However, all are children of God and as such, He wants to give them every chance in the world to get it right. Their message is clear, if you are acting out on something that isn't your nature, you are sinning, and sexual sins are of the most grevious. The Scouts, unfortunately, are just the latest whipping boy for achieving acceptance of immorality. Patience. God is in control.

  • milojthatch Sandy, UT
    May 25, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    I'll support the church, but I, like the church, am going to sit back and see what BSA does with this before I stop supporting them. In theory, this could be a very good thing that could help "gay" youth get past that and learn to deal with their issues in a manner more pleasing to God. In reality, I don't think liberals or conserves are going to let it ever get to that point. The boys loose out in the end. :(

  • Contrarius Lebanon, TN
    May 25, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @banderson --

    "Their message is clear, if you are acting out on something that isn't your nature, you are sinning"

    Now here's an interesting statement.

    The LDS church acknowledges that same-sex attraction is not a choice.

    And if it's not a choice, then it is indeed "in the nature" of the homosexual person to feel this attraction.

    Those are your only two options -- choice, or nature.

    So, according to your own words, homosexuals SHOULD act on their attractions -- because, after all, it is in their nature.

    According to your own words, homosexuals would be sinning if they did NOT act on their attractions.

  • maclouie Falconer, NY
    May 25, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    Maybe I am more liberal than I think, but I dont think so. This is exactly in alignment with LDS Church policy and it is great that our children who have gone astray will have an opportunity to be exposed to real men and real boys.

    This is far better than allowing Gay Leadership in the BSA. Those who think this is a sign of the times, I dont think so. The societal acceptance of Gay Lifestyle is, but the welcoming of all children, regardless of handicap, is how it should be.

    There are many LDS members who struggle with all kinds of sin and we still welcome them to church and as members - none of us are perfect. Only when we are worthy are we, or should we, be put in leadership positions.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 27, 2013 12:04 a.m.

    How strong can a sexual drive be at twelve years old?