Here we go... get ready for a stream of pseudo-lessons on the 1st amendment...
Business owners shouldn't be making those judgement calls for employees.
Let's grow up on reproductive issues; proper contraception is way better
Do the owners also demand their employees eat only fast food at Chick Fil A?
Hutterite: And federal governments shouldn't be making this judgement call
These businesses aren't saying people CAN'T use these contraceptives,
just that they don't want to pay for it.
"These businesses aren't saying people CAN'T use these
contraceptives, just that they don't want to pay for it."Had you said "business OWNERS don't want to pay for it", I might
see your point.Disturbing, however, is seeing a business as a person -
that the business Hobby Lobby has feelings and rights. That if Hobby Lobby is
sold to new owners, the new owners are buying a business that doesn't have
to pay for contraception, because the business objects to doing so.
Moderate, most of the time new owners of a busniess have to reapply for lisneces
to continue to operate the business they by. Part of that would be a review of
health care. Having been employeed by a few companies that changed hands I can
tell you they always review and then most of the time change the health
coverage.I support the Hobby Lobby in this. Like Mr. Nelson said
they are not telling anyone they can not use these products simply that they do
not want to pay for them. The week after pill is in my opinion a cheap form of
aborition, where the people using it can try and step around the emontional
aspect. I also disagree with it being made available over the counter for anyone
under the age of 18.
The "Federal Government" didn't issue a mandate. The Patients'
Protection and Affordable Care Act was not imposed by "the Obama
administration". The law was passed by a majority of the people of The
United States of America as represented by their duly elected members of
Congress. The majority of American voters have decided that health care reform
is necessary. Stop blaming everything you don't like on "the Obama
administration". Stop claiming everything you don't like comes from
"the Federal Government" and wake up to the fact that we, as a people,
vote and elect our leaders and ask them to represent us and therefor the
Affordable Care Act represents the collective will of the citizens of this
As the article states, employees already have that coverage at Hobby Lobby in
their health care.It is great that we live in a country where
employers and employees have rights as citizens that can go through or to a
court system to ensure that the executive and legislative branches aren't
going beyond what the court has the opportunity to rule on. The court system
isn't perfect but judges have a process to go through and levels where the
attorneys can go through to the Supreme Court. Judges may be
appointed at the higher levels but still have the law to work in most cases.
Even Presidents who try and load the courts have term limits and hopefully good
people vote for another person that is true to the oath of the law.
The idea that Hobby Lobby not paying for someone’s contraceptives is the
same as the owners forcing their religious beliefs on the employees is total
ridiculous. If the employees were prohibited from using contraceptives as a
condition of employment, you could make that claim, but that is NOT what
BO’s attorneys are claiming.Of course, according to BO and the
dems, religious liberty, which is specifically provided for in the constitution,
is secondary to the welfare state BO and the dems want to further entrench.Tyler,Obviously the BO misadministration slept through their
lessons on the first amendment. But thanks for confirming for us how much you
and the other libs despise certain parts of the 1st amendment.Hutterite,Business owners are NOT telling employees they cannot use BC;
see my first paragraph.Moderate,See the Citizens United
decision; BUSINESSES can!Bluecollar,If what you say is true,
why did a MAJORITY of people OPPOSE Obamacare before, during, and after its
passage?If Hobby Lobby and other religious employers do not prevail,
their only option is to reduce all their employees to part time so they
won’t be forced to violate their conscience.
@lost in DC – “Tyler,… thanks for confirming for us how much
you and the other libs despise certain parts of the 1st amendment.”And how exactly did I do that? You should look up the word
So when a "faith healer" owns a business and tell all his employees that
he's not going to cover anything because it's against his religious
beliefs, your all going to be good with that little loophole, right?Cause I predict a new revival in faith healers among the Monty Burns of the
corporate world, maybe a religion just for Corp's since they're people
too according to conservatives.
Tyler,you know exactly what you did - no need to play the aggrieved
liberal. Yours was a pre-emptive attack aimed at those who see the mandate as a
clear violation of the 1st amendment. But I suspect you will try to deny it.HVH, yes, I would accept that
@ bluecollar: Yea, right. We the citizens wanted to report *every purchase*
made by a business. We citizens want to add a hefty sales tax to home
purchases. We citizens want to create more incentives to reduce full time
employment. We citizens want to increase health care costs and call it
"Affordable--". We citizens want to impose additional taxes on those
with good medical coverage. We citizens want to pass/ enact laws so we can find
out what is in them. We citizens want to sue-proof a company just long enough
for them to complete a plant/pollen pollute/ harvest cycle. We citizens want to
waive all rights on some bureaucrats secret say-so. ---- and on and
on and on
@lost in DCA majority of Americans opposed Obamacare, yet a majority of
Americans supported almost every major provision in Obamacare when asked about
Why not a mandate to come clean with IRS, Benghazi, guns to Mexican cartel, and
AP tapping scandals.Isn't this more important then covering
hightek,depending on how you word the survey, you can get a majority to
support nazism. it's called push-polling
@lost in DCGood point. Also invalidates your comment as much as it
The opposite of freedom is mandate.
What ever happened to free agency? Let the employees choose whether
to use birth control or not. What's wrong with that?
@bluecollarselective memory syndrome or what!! You forgot that several
senators votes were bought and paid for with taxpayer dollars. We call those
@ lost in dc: "If what you say is true, why did a MAJORITY of people OPPOSE
Obamacare before, during, and after its passage?"The law was passed by
our representatives. Our representatives are selected by majority vote. My point
is the law was not by a "federal government mandate" but by the will of
the people of The United States of America. @OldGreg Laws are passed for a
reason. We have the Affordable Care Act because it costs too much for
middle-income working Americans to see a doctor when they're sick.@
rickyticky: I agree senators' votes should not be bought with bribes.
Portions of the Affordable Care Act were clearly included to give lawmakers
incentives to pass it. And so the American Way goes on.