The Determinations Unit in Cincinnati was advised closely by the Technical Unit
in Washington, D.C. This is not a matter of one or two agents going rogue. It
was a program overseen from Washington. Big Government out of control.
Dan, I will agree with you.... and disagree with you. Completely agreed that
tax code and its enforcement should never be used as a political tool by either
party. Never. Plain and simple. No debate.But I will disagree
with you that this comes close to the lever of restriction of conscience or
freedom that you make it out to be. There is no claim here that anyone was
denied. And in fact, this type of behavior happens every day. Last year I got
my first speeding ticket in over a decade (and yes, congratulations to all of
you who never have had one). The officer was polite, even nice, recommending a
place where we could get breakfast as we continued down the road.But
that isn't the experience of many. If you look at the data, the amount of
time a car is held roadside for processing a traffic violation has a high
corollary to the ethnicity of the driver. A non white driver is far more likely
to spend less quality time roadside. This too is a distortions of ones
"freedoms". And yet, there is no outcry... it just what it is.
Our tax code is needlessly complex... making even the most financially savvy
uncertain when they file their taxes. At one time I worked in the tax department
of a CPA firm and each day there was a stack of bulletins to wade through.The Lord chose a system of finance quite simple that is very
Well Dan, there you go again:"...the IRS harassed and
intimidated groups based on their political leanings...."The IRS
"...began subjecting applications ... from conservative groups to enhanced
scrutiny...while applications from liberal leaning groups sailed through the
approval process.""Lerner instructed her staff to be on the
lookout for applications from groups that would oppose President Obama or
agitate for smaller government... Lerner's behavior was clearly biased by
her own political beliefs."Ultra-conservatives are prone to
allow the fervor of their convictions to shape their arguments in falsely
exaggerated ways in behalf of beliefs founded more on ideology than on fact.
While nothing could seem more true than these arguments and beliefs to the
ideologically minded, others of a more pragmatic view can only feel incredulous
and baffled.History bears out that when the far right rules, there
is a stiff price to pay in personal liberty.
@truthseeker55.... I will agree with you completely. I simple plan is a
transparent plan, where everyone knows no one is getting special treatment, or
benefiting from back room deals that gives them preferential treatment. When
we know we all are living under the same rules, it only breeds trust. And that
is something we could use a ton more of now days.
What is most corruptible about all these scandals is that so many Americans on
left are so willing to deny them, excuse them or ignore them just to protect
their ideological soul mates. Exactly how dictatorships are born; ideology over
This article is so full of misstatements. First of all the tax code is very
complicated but not for the ordinary wage earning citizen. The tax code is
complicated on purpose for the wealthy and for corporations. Secondly liberal
groups did not just sail through the process. There were at least two dozen
liberal groups who came under the same process as the tea party groups. Thirdly
Lerner did not instruct her subordinates to target anti government or tea party
groups. She in fact tried twice to stop the process. Fourthly the best
investigative reporters in the country still haven't been able to uncover
who in fact did begin the process. That doesn't speak well for the
administrative controls of the IRS but it also doesn't make guilty those
further up the administrative chain. The IRS is probably an administrative
nightmare so fix it and quit trying to find boogey men under the bed, because to
the rational they aren't there.
The biggest mistake is that the IRS wasn't targeting left leaning groups
just as much. Neither side should be allowed tax free status. These are
political organizations, not chartiable groups.
What if the IRS targeted the 47% who don't pay any federal income taxes,
the vast majority of whom consistently vote for Democrats; the largest left wing
tax free organization in the world! Liberals love to whine about the TEA Party
but don't you dare touch THEIR tax free "sacred cows"; unions,
Planned Parenthood, the Green Party, The Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Media
Matters, Move On etc., etc. This is nothing more than a huge serving of liberal
hypocrisy perpetrated right out of the highest offices in the land. And they
claim the 5th amendment when asked to account for their actions?
Another campaign speech by Liljenquist. And just like the others this one is
poorly reasoned and inaccurate.. For example, the statement, "The recent
revelation that the IRS harassed and intimidated groups based on their political
leanings is the worst kind of scandal" is false. My clients have had many
IRS audits, and they are all extremely intrusive no matter the race, gender,
political party, etc., of the client. That is what the IRS does. The IRS also
goes after the "lowest hanging fruit" possible, and what could could be
lower-hanging when trying to select groups with political activity than the name
"Tea Party"? I suspect that when the instigations are over and
politicians like Liljenquist have squeezed as much political gain as possible
from this episode, it will be found that the IRS was just doing their usual job
in their usual draconian manner.
Mountainman,The problem with your 47% number is that it isn't
mostly Democrats, it is a cross section from both parties.However,
while it is a cross section, there are more rich Republicans in the 47% than
rich democrats. The lower income ratios are nearly identical.The
thing that people need to ask is how many people complaining about the 47% not
paying federal taxes are married, own a home and have more than 3 children that
they are able to claim.The numbers show that based on the above
situation, your household would need to bring in approximately between $50,000
and $60,000 a year to fall into the tax paying households due to all of the tax
deductions that are available. With the median household income in
Utah at $57,000 yearly, there are a lot of people in Utah that fall into the 47%
and if Utah is majority Republican, that means in Utah, the majority of the 47%
There's a very simple answer for groups who don't want to be
scrutinized by the IRS on whether they're truly an organization for the
"common good" and not for political purposes (which is the law the IRS
was trying to apply): don't apply for tax exempt status!Given
all the hysteria we hear from the right wingers about the deficit and debt, why
don't you show your patriotism for the country by pitching in money that
will be taxed and help reduce the deficit? Or is it more important
to not pay taxes, stridently push political agendas, and then bawl in fluent
Babylonian that the nation is going down the tubes because of the deficit?
truthseeker55corpus christi, TXOur tax code is needlessly complex...
making even the most financially savvy uncertain when they file their taxes.The Lord chose a system of finance quite simple that is very
effective...6:46 a.m. May 23, 2013=============Yes, but it's the uber-rich 1% who want to keep it that way.Why?Look no further than Mitt Romney.He didn't even hit
the 10% tax rate so admired.And he's building yet ANOTHER house here
in Utah.While the rest of us working stiffs struggle and bleed week
to week to pay our 17% tax rate just to keep the ONE roof over our heads!The IRS is complex - no doubt.But don't expect CPAs, HR Block
or TurboTax to run to your rescue.They will do everything in their
lobbying power to keep themselves painfully employed.
Yawn.Nothing to see here folks.It's just another
Dan liljenquist pep rally! He doesn't add anything here. He's just
trying to keep his name in the paper and rally his base in hopes of taking
Hatch's place in 6 years.
I think the IRS Director has hit on the perfect solution to the made up
republican scandals which have no purpose other than destroying the
effectiveness of our government. In every case, in every republican
inquiry, simply take the Fifth. President Obama and his team should
stop letting the party of no distract them and get on with the business of
representing the people of American. We need and want real reform
for medical care. Get rid of medical insurance companies; get business out of
the personal business of their employees.We need and want real tax
reform that would support our governments by a flat tax on personal income of
every type, from every source and without exception or deductions. We need and want real reform for our economic system to bring it up to date
for today’s world conditions. Business operations must be made to support
all of our people either by wages or government taxes. We need and
want real reform for our voting procedures and tasks to remove political
control, encumbrances, be perfectly accurate and EASY.
@ Makid. 51% of the popular vote went to Barack Obama, which is about 62,262,675
votes. 48% of the popular vote went to Mitt Romney, which is about 58,894,887
votes. Now here is what is funny, Mitt Romney made some comments about 47% of
Americans, and Romney happen to get 48% of the popular vote. So 121,157,562 cast
a vote for either Obama or Romney, and of those, 48% went to Romney. So did the
47% vote for Romney and Romney received 1% of the vote from the 53% of Americans
that do pay an income tax? If you do the math it is obvious who the 47% votes
Mountainman:So, what you're saying is all the people in the US
military and all the retired people in Utah and Idaho (and everywhere else)
voted for Obama? Supreme Court Justices Thomas, Scalia, Alito are
all "takers" as well, in addition to all the Republicans in Congress,
Orrin Hatch, Chaffetz, Ted Cruz, even the hardcore Libertarian Rand Paul, and
Ayn Rand devotee Paul Ryan. You have more intelligence and insight
than anyone else in the nation, it seems to me. Please expand on this knowledge
for the rest of us, if you would.
In the face of admitted IRS bias, the left is scrambling to defend their own.
Those investigating the IRS need to bring sunlight on the issues, irrespective
of political leanings. Hiding behind the 5th is not the way to uncover the
facts. AJAX has inverted the facts and blames the far right. Thanks for bringing
some humor into a serious issue, but it's like blaming the far left for
Dan, those who criticize your editorial haven't read the NYT editorial that
completely stone walls the investigation. The radical left as represented by the
NYT is fumbling for a defense of liberal intrusions in personal freedom. The
administration's failure to explain why they allow spying on journalists,
the cover up of decisions in Benghazi and honestly investigating the IRS are all
symptoms of the same aliment, abuse of power. Bush's unacceptable imperial
presidency seems increasingly tame by comparison.
To me the biggest scandal with the IRS is that I (a middle class type) pay a
higher tax rate than friend Rommney and probably more and million or so other
rich people. Why do we allow that?
You "armchair quarterbacks" who do not regularly deal with the IRS can
screech all you want, but you are speaking out of school. As I said before, the
IRS is no respecter of persons (abusing all without premeditation). In the end,
this will not be found to be political, but will simply be a case of laziness
(going after the most visible abusers of the 503(c)(4) rules) on the part of the
I think an investigation needs to be done into the Republicans in Congress that
knew about this issue last July.Why didn't they bring it out
until now? Why hold on to it?The White House found out about this
in April of 2013, Republican's in Congress found out July 12, 2012. The
fact that they knew about it 9 months before the White House says a lot about
the fact that this is more about politics than it is about the IRS
Will Obama use the IRS to rule America?
If you don't want the traffic cop to look your way, maybe don't get a
license plate that says LUV2SPEED.
Mountainman.... nice math.... now lets overlay that with where wealth is in the
states. Where are the highest per capita earners at.... Utah? Idaho? Or
Maybe California and the North East? You assumption is that the 47%
- all poor hand out living off the government no job people - all voted for
Obama - right? And that the hard working, paying all the bills types, voted for
Romney. Here is a little wrinkle in your plan. Are you aware
that a higher percentage of Utahan's are on federal assistance than are in
states like California... you know that state of liberal non working people...
The honest truth is poverty does not follow political lines.
Neither does wealth. I know in your world, everyone is one way (patriotic
wealthy capitalist) or another way (socialist free loaders who just want to
redistribute wealth), but the real world isn't dividend so nicely.
Conservative mormons are on federal assistance as much as their peers from other
states. The math just doesn't add up...
"Will Obama use the IRS to rule America?"Yes... and then the
Youth Corp you all were worried around will start taking control of the
cities... and the military will declare martial law..... the diabolical plan
to make him dictator of American will start coming true. You all figured it
out already.... Lets see... the IRS slowed down some
applications.... even made it a little hard to get approved.... but no one was
denied anything. It is a very tricky plan... very stealth in its power grab.
Sounds like the permitting people in my city... trying to get a building permit.
It is all a conspiracy I tell you.....
The IRS may be the most hated agency in the Federal government. But, it is
hated for all the wrong reasons.The IRS implements the tax law and
collects the taxes necessary to run America. That includes defending us,
providing free education, highways, protective inspections of all sorts (food,
drugs, bridges, vehicles, etc.), protecting and manageing our public lands, and
providing the leagal system that guarantees our Constitutional rights.These services are essential and demanded by all of us. Those that fight or
complain about taxes are hypocritical. They should take a trip to Mexico or
Indonesia to see how we would live without our Federal Government and taxes.God bless America. And may He sustain our Constitutional government
against all enemies, domestic and foreign.
Is it really an 'assault on our basic freedoms' or is it at least
partly a result of a huge number of outfits coming out of the woodwork to seek
tax free status after the citizens united decision?
The previous comments all seem to ignore the fact that the IRS action was
related to applications for tax exempt status. Why should any political
organization even be applying for tax exempt status?
patriot vet:You make the IRS look so patriotic, and good.People in Mexico, and Indonesia don't have the highways, schools, foods,
drugs,etc, because of corrupt IRS type of governments.Take our
seventeen trillion dollar debt, and you'll find we are poorer then they
are. Someday the plug will be pulled, and our government dependent people will
be in a state of shock.Through out history, most human suffering has
come from corrupt governments, and we're almost there. I doubt you'll
be praising the IRS in a few years.
501 (c) (4)s are:"Civic leagues or organizations not organized
for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or
local associations of employees...the net earnings of which are devoted
exclusively to charitable, educational or recreational purposes."
- Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(4)A
501(c)(4) organization, once created can begin operating as a tax-exempt
organization right away. You do not have to wait for official recognition of
your exempt status from the IRS before you can get to work. You must complete
Step 3 (Application forExemption) within 27 months of formation in order
to ensure a letter of exemption that dates back to the formation of the
organization. Applications for exemption that are filed later than 27 months
from formation will generally receive a letter dating back to the postmark date
of the application.
What are the issues raised in the recent Treasury Inspector General for Tax
Administration (“TIGTA”) report?8. What cases were
centralized?The report reflects that 300 cases were centralized.
Approximately 70 of those cases included the name Tea Party. The remaining cases
included organizations of all political views. The current number of centralized
cases is approximately 470.11. Were centralized cases worked
differently depending on which selection criteria was used?No,
centralized cases were not worked differently depending on which selection
criteria was used.12. Did mistakes occur in working the centralized
cases?Yes. Applicants whose cases were centralized unfortunately
experienced inappropriate delays and over-expansive information requests in some
cases. This was caused by ineffective processes and not related to the selection
criteria used for the centralization of a case.13. Is there any
evidence of political bias in selecting cases for centralization or in working
those cases?The TIGTA report included no findings of political bias.
In addition, the IRS has found no indication of political bias. (Source:IRS)
Actually, what I find laughable about this article is Danny Boy contending
"Of all the principles upon which we built this country, none is more
important than equal protection under the law." What he really meant was
"...equal protection under the law for those who share my beliefs."