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  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 23, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Hmmm.....Mendenhall's ranking has stayed pretty consistent from what he has been ranked previously, a perenial top 20 coach. whittingham on the otherhand is plummeting down the rankings and although he has always been ranked below Bronco he is now double digits behind, in fact he is 19 spots behind Bronco which is more spots behind Bronco than Bronco is behind Nick Saban, 16 spots.

    According to utah "fans" whittingham is supposed to walk on water? It doesn't seem that the experts see it that way.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Your obsession is peaking of late, good to see.

    As for your comment about Whittingham... "and although he has always been ranked below Bronco" ... just curious, is there an award I don't know of that's higher than national coach of the year?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I personally wouldn't have a ton of faith in a coach who kept a top 10 draft pick on the bench and only started him because of an injury. To each his own though.

    "in fact he is 19 spots behind Bronco which is more spots behind Bronco than Bronco is behind Nick Saban, 16 spots."

    That is a logical fallacy. You assume that each coach is an equal distance apart. If you honestly believe that Bronco is closer to Saban than he is to Whittingham you need help.

  • KG South Jordan, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    While I support and enjoy both BYU and Utah, all that really matters is what happens on the field. Whit has won a Sugar Bowl and the last four straight against Bronco. Both are great coaches, and have done good things at their respective school.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Adding to my previous comment ... let me clearly state that I think Bronco's a fine coach and very deserving of his high ranking. I'm quite certain those who are polled for this kind of coaching information are taking into account that Bronco has done well with what he's given. Meaning most around the country would assume there are limiting circumstances that come with the high religious standards and unique culture at BYU. Bronco clearly exceeds what most think would be possible in those circumstances, and quite frankly, I agree.

  • theDailyObserver Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 23, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    Bronco can get the higher coach ranking every spring, as long as Whittingham keeps getting the W over the cougars every fall.

    Go Utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    I knew this would bug utah "fans" regardless of whther or not I commented on it, it is just more fun to comment and read the replies.

    @motorbike

    Considering this is an article about coaches rankings, and both coaches are ranked Bronco is just ranked A LOT higher, then I hardly see how this shows any sort of "obsession". I'm just commenting on the content of the article.

    @kg

    You are incorrect, kyle has not won "the last four straight". It is 3 straight. Also the guys making the rankings took whittingham's sugar bowl win into account when they compared the job done by each coach and obviously found whittingham lacking in comparison to Bronco or else they would have ranked him higher. They didn't so that shows they do not consider what whittingham has done to be as impressive as what Bronco has done.

    I didn't make the rankings by the way, an interested but completely neutral 3rd party made the rankings. utah "fans" can suffer angst over it, and I'll be amused by that, but it simply is what it is.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 23, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    First, it's nice to see the Duck got your collective goats with some unjustified interpretation of the facts, in as much as the facts are known.

    I myself would have said, "Wait a minute? Don't they know that NOTHING trumps number of players placed in the NFL???"

    @ theDailyObserver

    So can I assume that if BYU's lone loss in 20113 is to Utah, and somehow we go to a big boy bowl, and if utah is 1-11, but beats BYU for the 4th time in a row (not 5th, please note KG), you're okay with that? That would seem to be the extreme but logical conclusion of your daily observation.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    April 23, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    theDailyObserver

    "Bronco can get the higher coach ranking every spring, as long as Whittingham keeps getting the W over the Cougars every fall."

    Unfortunately for U, Whittingham "getting the W over the Cougars every fall" ended last season is a recent 3-game anomaly which will end in September.

    In the meantime, a quick comparison of accomplishments proves that Bronco is clearly the better coach, as reflected in the annual coach rankings.

    Overall Record
    Bronco 74-29
    Kyle 70-32

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    10+ win seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Undefeated Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 8
    Kyle 7

    Winning Seasons
    Bronco 8
    Kyle 7

    Losing Seasons
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 1

    Losses to 10+ loss teams
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 2

    As Duckhunter observed, it's laughable to watch our friends on the hill throwing jealous temper tantrums trying to disproved the obvious, that Bronco is a better coach than Kyle.

  • raisedaute Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    It makes me laugh to hear all the Cougar comments... especially after the many many posts I saw last year from Cougar fans during the Riley lovefest. Comments such as "Bronco has to go" Now to have something they can boast about they are touting this article from a publications along the line of Bleacherreports which we all know are written by hacks.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    My question - If given the choice between the Kyle and Bronco who would the majority of the Y fans choose?

    I think this season will be telling for the Cougars. Given their schedule - which will approach the U's last two season (but not be as difficult as Utah's this year) how will the Y do? If they can do as well this year as they have in the past with their lower degree of difficulty schedule, I will be one of the first to offer my compliments!

  • KG South Jordan, UT
    April 23, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    My bad... 3rd straight. You can understand my confusion, though... I wasn't sure how many times they won the same game.

    Two great coaches, no doubt.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    If 3/4 of Whitt's schedule was made up of the WCC, he too would have 10 win seasons each year and be ranked as high as Bronco.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    April 23, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    If given a choice between

    FIVE Top 25 finishes or three

    THREE Top 15 finishes or one

    TWO conference championships or one

    EIGHT bowls or seven

    EIGHT winning seasons or seven

    Losing to TWO 10+ loss team or NONE

    A 74-29 or a 70-32 overall record

    Which record would the majority of Utah fans chooses?

    Despite the lovefest created on the hill by Kyle's one perfect storm season, it's obvious which coach is better.

    #17 Bronco > #36 Kyle

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    April 23, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    UteNationAlum

    "If 3/4 of Whitt's schedule was made up of the WCC, he too would have 10 win seasons each year and be ranked as high as Bronco."

    LOL at you delusional spin.

    Four of Bronco's FIVE Top 25 finishes, all three of his Top 15 finishes, and FIVE of Bronco's 10+ win seasons were compiled while BOTH Bronco AND Kyle were BOTH competing in the MWC.

    Despite the usual delusional spin from the hill, Top 25 finishes are a result of BOTH record and schedule.

    The simple truth is, BYU is and has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977; Utah has NEVER been a perennial Top 25 in any decade in their entire football history...

    and never will be.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 23, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall is ranked 17 on Sporting News' annual rankings of best college coaches.

    125 coaches from Division I football programs were ranked based on wins, championships, recruiting, history at previous jobs, future potential and other factors.

    Current Utah coach Kyle Whittingham is ranked 36 and former Utah State and current Wisconsin coach Gary Andersen is ranked 50. Matt Wells, who was hired to replace Andersen, is ranked 109.

    The jealous spin coming from the hill is hilarious!

    Unfortunately for U, Kyle and his football program have been in steady decline since Utah's high water mark in 2008. The only ones who can't see that are the kids on the hill.

    BYU and Utah, two programs headed in opposite directions, BYU up, Utah down.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 23, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    There's not a Ute fan on the planet that would trade Kyle for bronco.

    The majority of the tds fans would dump bronco at the drop of a hat if they thought they could get Kyle.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 23, 2013 6:34 p.m.

    ekute

    You're only fooling yourself. Kyle has proven that he can't coach with the big boys. His flash-in-the-pan success in 2008 is quickly fading and so will the lovefest from the kids on the hill with a few more losing seasons and no bowls.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    April 23, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    ekute

    "There's not a Ute fan on the planet that would trade Kyle for Bronco."

    Of course not; why would U trade the 36th best coach for the 17th best coach?

    The same delusion explains...

    why U accept being unranked.

    why U accept losing records.

    why U accept playing your bowl games in September, rather than during the holidays.

    why U accept losing to 10-loss teams.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    April 23, 2013 6:59 p.m.

    Kids on the hill living in denial, as usual.

    The rest of the country recognizes what many BYU fans on this blog have been saying for a long time, that Bronco is a better coach than Kyle.

  • UtahUte91 Sandy, UT
    April 23, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Kyle had a good run in 2008, but overall, any objective observer would have to admit that Bronco has outperformed Kyle overall, especially given the extra hurdles Bronco has been forced to overcome. It's doubtful that it would have taken Bronco three seasons to beat his first PAC 12 opponent with a winning record, assuming, of course, that Kyle finally has that breakthrough win in 2013.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    April 23, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    UteNationAlum

    The WCC doesn't play football. For the record, the WCC plays baseball; both men's and women's basketball, cross country, golf, soccer, and tennis; and women's volleyball and women's rowing. But not football. So, if Witt were able to when any football game against a WCC opponent, that would really be something.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    @UtahUte91

    I beg to differ. byu wouldn't of done any better than Utah their first 2 years in the Pac12. The hurdles that bronco has been forced to overcome are not any greater than Kyles' since joining the Pac12. Playing a WACish schedule doesn't compare to a major conference schedule. This is the year that we start to see Pac12 size and talent on the Ute squad. Go Utes.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    "Why would you go after another quarterback when you have Heaps and Nelson? If your this kid why would you go there if you know what their situation is? Any bets this kid doesn't end up playing at the Quarterback position and plays somewhere else....."

    "Got to love BYU, they've recruited tons of QB's, what about O-line, D-line, Linebacker, Safety etc????"

    There you go Naval. From the article 'BYU Footbal: Another QB commits to Cougars' April 7,2011
    Now if only you could back up half of what you post.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:26 p.m.

    This just proofs what we all know, bronco is just so much better and good. All the top wins and NFL players. and top ranked recruits just proofs how good he is.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    Kyle can't even beat good teams. Bronco always beat the good teams he plays.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    April 23, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    I think it's funny that the U fans trumpet and praise their former Cougar who has ascended to the head coaching position, but BYU fans are still glad that Whittingham didn't come back to Provo. Bronco is better than Kyle.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    While I would enjoying seeing Utah win the South, the fact is it's only going to get harder to do so. The power in the PAC 12 has been in the North for the last few years (Oregon, Stanford) while the South has been in a downturn. USC has been in dissary but even in their drought, have been able to handle the U. UCLA has turned the corner by hiring Mora. And despite their coaching turnover, the Arizona schools haven't been awful and are likely to get better.

    Utah will get better as well, I believe, but they'll have to just to repeat their previous records. Getting to the top of the South is going to take a "perfect storm"...1)the South continues it swoon, 2) recruiting a difference maker at quarterback (mock Ryan Leaf all you want, but he got WSU to the Rose Bowl); and avoiding the Titans of the North in their schedule (unfortunately, their rotation of not playing Stanford and Oregon won't be back for a number of years).

    Coaching isn't on my list, Whit is good enought to get them there. This BYU fan wishes them the best of luck.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    @ekute

    You're safe. There haven't been any offers for a trade.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    Listen, I tried to give Bronco some props in an earlier comment, but coug fans on this thread are going overboard as usual.
    Like I said, the respect comes from Bronco's peers acknowledging that recruiting to BYU is a challenge ... therefore consistently winning a lot of games, even against WAC caliber talent, is a notable accomplishment.
    That said, and rankings aside, what Universities have come knocking on Bronco's door and what teams have come knocking on Kyle's? Therein lies the truth.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 23, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    @motorbike

    Well said.

    Go Utes.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 23, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Why is it so difficult for some Ute fans to accept national opinion from well respected individuals over their own crimson colored bias?

    What a lightning rod. What a reaction.

    I bet the local hardware store at the bottom of the hill is getting tired of the requests for more torches and pitchforks. The mob is organizing. With all of the drama on the hill how much more can the fans endure?

    It's fun to watch. It really is.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 23, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    Two seasons of < .500 conference football since your big debut speaks volumes as well losing to Colorado in 2011 and not winning enough games to play in the New Mexico Bowl.

    What do you expect when your team is outranked by BYU? You think one game trumps a season? Think again.

    I so enjoy your whining and spinning. So entertaining.

    and Duckhunter...

    Pulitzer Prize winning stuff today. Thank you.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 23, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    motorbike

    "what Universities have come knocking on Bronco's door..."

    UCLA, for one, and there have been others as well, although Bronco doesn't talk much about specific teams that have shown an interest in him.

    The truth lies in national team rankings, FIVE for Bronco, only three for Kyle, and national coach rankings, #17 for Bronco, #36 for Kyle.

    It's laughable how "unreliable" rankings are that don't fit the over-inflated opinions of the kids on the hill.

    Bottom line, first two years of Independence/PAC 12 era

    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 24, 2013 6:57 a.m.

    ekute

    "I beg to differ. BYU wouldn't of done any better than Utah their first 2 years in the Pac12."

    BYU would have won the PAC 12 South in their first season because, unlike the Kyle, Bronco wouldn't have blown a gift-wrapped division by losing to lowly 10-loss Colorado AT HOME!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 24, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    "Their in lies the truth."

    So this person thinks that Bronco was given some pity and somehow overweighted compensation to balance some weird Mormon recruiting challenge. What a bunch of bunk.

    Find me one person (except a jealous troll) that would even consider such a thought. Only the warped mind of one desperately trying to find a talking point would even give it a passing thought.

    Using that pathetic thought alone then Whit should have been ranked higher than Bronco.

    Obviously other factors such as "wins, championships, recruiting, history at previous jobs, future potential and other factors." were weighted differently.

    From a famous and favorite movie... "You can't handle the truth..."

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 24, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    "You can't handle the truth..."

    Kyle lead Utah to a BCS win and a #2 national ranking.
    Kyle lead Utah to a major conference membership.
    Kyle is 5 and 3 vs bronco, including 2 blowouts.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 24, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "According to utah 'fans' whittingham is supposed to walk on water? It doesn't seem that the experts see it that way."

    You frantically and emotionally made that up. That's the 2nd strawman argument in as many days that I'd seen from you. Should we run a counter?

    Utah fans do NOT think Whittingham is "supposed to walk on water". We think Whittingham is "supposed to walk all over mendenmidmajor". And thus far, he's .625 against him, with 2 wild blowout football clinics over his midmajorey little brother.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 24, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    SportsFan:

    "BYU and Utah, two programs headed in opposite directions, BYU up, Utah down."

    The Utes went 13-0, 10-3, and 10-3 in the MWC. That's hardly considered a "steady decline". About the only fact in your last frantic and emotional diatribe was that at 13-0, that WAS in fact Utah's "high water mark". But then at 13-0, that would have been ANY non-AQ school's high water mark.

    The cougars went 10-3, 11-2, and 7-6, and THAT's was thanks to "Replaygate" that SHOULD have ended your season at 5-7. That's what you call "heading up"?

    In the Pac-12, Utah played our first season in the big boy leagues, and at 8-5 was considered a success. Especially considering we had a new OC, and a backup D-II QB under center. In 2012 we did take a slight step backward.

    Meanwhile, the Indy-WACers dropped back from playing an easier WAC schedule and went 10-3 and 8-5. Still "heading up"? You went 8-5 in the WAC. We did that in the Pac-12.

    Edge: Utah.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 24, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Naval Vet
    Philadelphia, PA

    You need to up your aspirations. If the only thing you expect from Whit is to beat "that team down south," your membership in the vaunted PAC whatever will very soon lose it's luster.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 24, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Cougars1:

    "There you go Naval. From the article 'BYU Footbal: Another QB commits to Cougars' April 7,2011
    Now if only you could back up half of what you post."

    Can YOU? I just looked at that article, and not ONE of those quotes you pecked out were from me! In fact, out of those 145 comments, NONE of them were from me. That first quote was from somebody from Ogden named "WarriorWeber". Your second was from another person, from Denver, named "Honor Code". How frantic and emotional of you to desperately try to attribute some other posters comments to me. I'm not even sure what was the point of your post since it isn't really refuting anyone here.

    Epic fail.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 24, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad:

    If you're presuming that my sole expectation from Whittingham is to beat the Indy-WACers, than you either haven't been reading my posts, or are attempting a strawman argument...like sammyg or Duckhunter. Just because beating little brother is "expected", that doesn't mean it's my ONLY expectation. Personally, I'd be wholly in favor of not scheduling your irrelevant WAC-worthy program unless we're getting a 2-for-1 out of it. I'm much more interested in seeing the Utes elevate our play to a point where we can finally win the Pac-12 South. Once we can do that, then I will look forward to attaining a higher standard wherein we can finally play in the Rose Bowl. After playing in the Rose Bowl, the next goal will be to win a national championship.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    ikute

    And Kyle played Madden football on his xBox during the holidays.
    And Kyle and company read the season end rankings and cried.
    And then Kyle and company watched the basketball team and sighed.
    Then they read about the mess in the swimming dept.
    And then in the newspaper they saw the 'intramural' Rugby team go belly up.
    Then they read yesterday's article.

    And Norm Chow laughed on the beach.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    lint

    Nothing more entertaining than seeing Ute fans elevate themselves to the highest levels and then watching the team hold them back but they... cliff jump anyway.

    All this angst over an article that lists Bronco as the better coach on the national stage. It's like a dagger to the heart huh?

    Elevating the play? Try something a little less lofty like winning 50% of your conference games.

    Playing in a Rose Bowl? I'll pick one up for you at the dollar store.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    And bronco had his chance in the Pac10 and got fired.
    And Norm Chow laughed at how the tds went back to being the little brother after he and Lavelle left.
    And some people can't handle the truth so they resort to name calling.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 24, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    sammyg:

    "All this angst over an article that lists Bronco as the better coach on the national stage."

    Another strawman from you. My comment was for "Y Grad / Y Dad", and had nothing to do with a coach being ranked higher than the coach that owns a .625 record against him. Ooooh yeah. Whittingham's .625 record vs. mendenmidmajor means that mendenmidmajor's record vs. Whittingham is a paltry .375. It's like a dagger to your WACish and midmajory heart, isn't it sammy?

    Looks like this is the last year the Y will ever get to stamp their name in the annals of "BCS Bowl participants". Even Hawai'i (WAC) and No. Illinois (MAC) got there, but your boys laid great big giant goose egg there. And should they get a BCS Bowl invitation this year [yeah, laughable...I know], and win [snicker], you'll finally rise up to the level of "1/2 the program of your big brother."

    "LOL"

    Looks like your best bet would be to just go buy a trophy at the Dollar Store.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 24, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Naval,
    That comment was meant to go on the article about Utah having depth at qb. You had told Duck he was making up that anyone had made such comments. I was simply showing you that those comments were made. Apology accepted.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 24, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    NV

    Then that means it is the one of the ONLY expectations that has been met in the last couple of years.

    Oh, and beating Colorado. Good job.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 24, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    NV

    By the way, you should be careful what you wish for. The Arizona and California schools might as well start lobbying the PAC for 2 for 1's with Utah, the way U have been playing.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    April 24, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    NV

    Your comments about WACish opponents are the real strawman. After all, BYU beat Georgia Tech, which handled USC easily in their bowl game (at least the Trojans made it to a bowl game). And BYU was able to beat the USU Aggies (which actually was a WAC team).

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    April 24, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    When they do not have a leg to stand on, they resort to name calling.

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    April 24, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    Wells was ranked extremely low on the list. And the USU fan's expect to have a winning season wiht the new coach? Guess what guys, a winning season won't happen.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    April 24, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "The Utes went 13-0, 10-3, and 10-3 in the MWC. That's hardly considered a "steady decline"."

    LOL at your spin.

    Since 2008 the Utes have gone
    2008 #2/#4/#5 13-0
    2009 #18/#18/#24 10-3
    2010 unranked/#23/#26 10-3
    2011 unranked/#39 8-5
    2012 unranked/#61 5-7 no bowl

    Only a desperate Utah homer unable to accept reality would try to describe that record as anything other than a "steady decline".

    Your Replaygate scenario is complete fantasy! BYU would have beaten SDSU even without the controversial fumble call, which, btw, BYU had absolutely nothing to do with.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    April 24, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    It's always funny that people keep bringing up that "controversial fumble call" against SDSU. I mean, it's not like Utah ever beat BYU in part because of a controversial fumble call.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    navelvet

    "Looks like this is the last year the Y will ever get to stamp their name in the annals of "BCS Bowl participants"."

    Who cares! The failed bogus championship series will soon become a forgotten relic of the past. Top 25 rankings and national championships are the only enduring measuring sticks for long term major college football success, and in those categories, Utah is barely a blip on the national radar, while BYU will always be a former national champion and perennial Top 25 team.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    @ Ydad/Ygrad

    "By the way, you should be careful what you wish for. The Arizona and California schools might as well start lobbying the PAC for 2 for 1's with Utah, the way U have been playing."

    Utah is 1-1 against Arizona, UCLA, and Cal...

    You fail.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    2fer

    Utah is great, sometimes, at beating teams when they're down, but the sorry Utes haven't beaten a single PAC 10.2 team with a winning record.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 24, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    "it's not like Utah ever beat BYU in part because of a controversial fumble call."

    No, but it puts an asterisk on your incessant boasting about stats, rankings and overall records.

    We had to beat you guys 3 times last year because of 2 controversial calls.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    ekute,

    What 2 calls were controversial? Just because the fans are so "brilliant" they don't know how to wait until the game is over to rush the field doesn't make it controversial. Inconvenient maybe , but not controversial.

    BTW, I looked everywhere for the asterisk and couldn't find it. You "ute" fans have your own reality.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 24, 2013 10:26 p.m.

    ekute

    "We had to beat you guys 3 times last year because of 2 controversial calls."

    Classic Ute whining about "controversial" calls. It's funny that you don't insist on an asterisk being placed on Utah's 2010 win because of the bogus fumble that the Utes were given.

  • TallNSkinny43 Germantown, MD
    April 24, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Stang

    Wells has a extremely low rank, because he has no experience at head coach, not because he has failed as a coach. Based solely off the rankings Andersen looks only average, but he was just hired by a Rose Bowl team. Wells ranking is worthless until he has coached a season of football. Then we can see how he does. I'd imagine 3 years ago, Anderson's ranking was in the 100's as well, but this year he was the top coach in the WAC and the top coach in the state of Utah. Anderson's ranking is also low because of lack of success over several years. His ranking will go up over the next couple years as well.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 24, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    @ Ydad/Ygrad

    "Utah is 1-1 against Arizona, UCLA, and Cal...

    You fail."

    And I'll give you full marks for spin, but needs significant improvement for reading comprehension. U are also 1-1 versus Colorado, but I wouldn't recommend you adding that to your short list of accomplishments.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    April 25, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    @Phoenix...."placed on Utah's 2010 win because of the bogus fumble that the Utes were given."

    What? Just because in your mind you think it was bogus and because like most cougie fans have to make an excuse for every loss or blame the refs doesn't mean it's true. There was no bogus fumble given to the utes in that game? If you want to point to blown calls I can pick several things on both sides in every game. Stop making excuses right now Utah is just the better team/program in comparison to the cougies and have been for quite some time now!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    April 25, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    2b

    "Utah is just the better team/program in comparison to... [BYU]"

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but saying it, doesn't make it so. The record speaks for itself.

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5 > Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3 > Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2 > Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5 > Kyle 3

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 8 > Kyle 7

    Overall Record
    Bronco 74-29 > Kyle 70-32

    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

    Despite the frantic and emotional spin from the hill, Bronco has a MUCH better record than Kyle in national rankings, conference championships, and overall record.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 25, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Bronco #17? Ha Ha Ha

    Pop, almost came out of my nose....now that's a real knee slapper!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 25, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    Y's little Bro

    Why did you leave out head to head games and BCS games?

    Now that's curious?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Bronco #17? Ha Ha Ha"

    Only to a jealous Utah fan who worships at the feet of Kyle.

    "Why did you leave out head to head games and BCS games?"

    Single games and single seasons are contributing factors but do not define overall success.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 25, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Jealous U:

    "Your Replaygate scenario is complete fantasy! BYU would have beaten SDSU even without the controversial fumble call, which, btw, BYU had absolutely nothing to do with."

    But your alumni did...and in a "must win" situation. And as for that controversial fumble no-call, that DID impact the game. That fumble occurred on the 25-yd line. Five plays later the cougars scored their last TD of the game. That score amounted to a 7-pt swing, and the Y only won by 3.

    Furthermore, this is no "fantasy". There's video evidence that showed the fumble occurred, and thus the TD 5-plays later would not have happened had your alumni not been jam packed in your Replay Booth.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    April 25, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    It's laughable how far you'll stretch the truth to suit your own distorted view of reality.

    Here's what another SLC newspaper had to say about "replaygate":

    "A source who has intimate knowledge of what goes on in replay booths at Mountain West Conference stadiums says head replay official Mike Angelis of Reno, Nev., is entirely responsible for botching a critical replay review in BYU's 24-21 win against San Diego State last Saturday.

    Furthermore, the source says the MWC is throwing the two other replay staffers in the booth that day — including BYU employee Chad Bunn — "under the bus" by suspending them along with Angelis for a game and unfairly allowing blame to be cast on them although they were acting only in supporting roles that day.

    "At the end of the day, it is the head replay official, a real paid referee, who makes the call," said the source. "Bottom line is the referee [Angelis] blew the call."

    Of course, IF the facemask that caused the fumble had been called, BYU would have had the ball on 12-yard line.

    Justice was served. You owe Chad an apology.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 25, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    So this the Sporting News, not Deseret News, not Bleacher Report. Gnash your teeth if it makes you feel better, but you'd be better served to ask yourselves "why?"

    Little ironic, because u continually tell us that the national championship is 1) ancient history, and 2) really didn't happen. But it appears that in the world of competitive football, an impressive sugar bowl win over a marquee program like 'Bama is yesterday's mush.

    The by-line is "what have you done lately," and lately, Utah hasn't done much.

    So you like Kyle, wouldn't trade him. I respect that. We like Bronco, wouldn't trade him. I acknowledge the "torch and pitchfork" element of the loyal blue, and I'm sure Red has it too. Bottom line, if Kyle has another season like this last, he could be the greatest ex-coach you ever had.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 26, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Ygrad
    You are right, Utah hasn't done much lately; but what in the world has BYU done? Continuely lose to their rival, beat the bad teams and lose to the good teams. End up in the Kraft macaroni and cheese bowl. Nothing to write home about. Bronco hasn't done squat. Certainly nothing close to Utah's Fiesta or Sugar Bowl seasons.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 26, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    @False Machine

    Jealous of what? I'm wearing my Sugar Bowl Hoodie. Bronco can't even come close to 2008-9 Sugar Bowl season. Heck, he can't even beat his rival. You can have him.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 26, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Your fading Sugar Bowl hoodie is just like your fading football program that, just like the 80's, once again thinks of BYU as its bowl game.

    It's laughable that the only team of any significance that you've beaten since joining the PAC 10.2...

    is BYU!

  • DontMUSSwUtah SLC, UT
    April 26, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    I like all of these stats being thrown around for, what seems like, the 10,000th time on a dnews story. "x number of 10+ win seasons"... "Haven't lost to teams with 10+ losses"... "17-0 record when playing on a thursday night with a 10% chance of precipitation"... Granted, Kyle doesn't have as many "top-notch" stats as Bronco (besides the head-to-head winning record vs. BYU...), but isn't it getting a little ridiculous when you have to dig that much for a stat to make your coach look good?

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    April 26, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    DontMUSS

    Stats (coaching records) are used to rank coaches, which is what this article is about.

    Utah fans may not like it, but in the latest annual Sporting News coach rankings:

    Bronco is ranked 17th
    Kyle is ranked 36th

  • DontMUSSwUtah SLC, UT
    April 26, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    Mussing

    Whatever helps you feel better about losing to us every year.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 26, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    NoMuss

    Unfortunately for U, even the losing to U every year is coming to an end.

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    April 26, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    @TallNSkinny

    I'm just lending an opinion. Especially since you aggies expect an undefeated season under a first year coach. And I find it funny that Anderson is such a bad guy now, when four years or so ago he was the answer to the aggies prayers. The aggie fan's crack me up sometimes.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    @ skywalker

    "Unfortunately for U, even the losing to U every year is coming to an end."

    Doubt it. BYU has a question mark at QB and a bad O-line. That's not really a recipe for success.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 27, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    Spokane Ute
    Spokane, WA

    "Ygrad You are right, Utah hasn't done much lately; but what in the world has BYU done? "

    Apparently enough to rank Bronco 17th.

    Look folks, the stats are not copyrighted by BYU. We didn't create them. If the fact that an independent source like The Sporting News digests those stats and comes up with a 17 ranking for Bronco bothers you, it may be time to ratchet down your passion for all things anti BYU.

    But in answer to your question, Bronco's real accomplishments are best typified by Kyle Van Noy. You look atwhere

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 27, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    @2BCSWINS
    It's not just in "cougies" minds it was bogus. They replayed it in espn and drew a glaring circle around byu player's knee clearly down while he was still holding onto the football. Who did the utes pay in the booth for that one? It was absolutely bogus and espn highlighted to show just how bogus it was. BYU would have kneeled on the ball after that interception and bogus call, and game over. I won't use it as an excuse because there were things BYU could have done throughout that game to win, but I also won't let u try and pretend it wasn't a bogus call, when replays showed proof that it was.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 27, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    Sorry, tablet ate my homework.

    But in answer to your question, Bronco's real accomplishments are best typified by Kyle Van Noy. You look at where he started his career before BYU and where he is now, and that is the prototype of what Bronco is trying to accomplish. Doesn't grade out on draft day or in close games, but THAT is what BYU football is about. Building men of character who happen to be good, sometimes great, football players.

    That's why many of U mock his priorities; that's why many Y fans embrace him.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2013 1:59 a.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs

    BYU would have kneeled on the ball with 6 minutes left....when Utah still had three timeouts?

    Good call.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 29, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    @two for
    You're right there was more time left than I thought. This call did leave Utah with great field position though, and BYUs offense was moving the ball at this point in the game...the field position was huge though because it was such a defensive game. Bottom line it was a bogus call, and replay showed it very clearly. How a booth official misses that when espn so easily and clearly displays it is ridiculous.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    June 15, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    These types of rankings are the only kind of pseudo-victories the cougars have had over the utes the last 3 1/2 years in football.
    They can't win in the amount of money the program brings in, the success of their graduates after college football, or in the academic achievements of their football players. The objective measures usually favor the utes, including the 3-0 mark in head-to-head.

    So cougar fans, enjoy the "wins" in who Phil Steele likes more and all the other subjective contests.

    I'll save my celebration for the victory in an actual football game.