Hmmm.....Mendenhall's ranking has stayed pretty consistent from what he has
been ranked previously, a perenial top 20 coach. whittingham on the otherhand is
plummeting down the rankings and although he has always been ranked below Bronco
he is now double digits behind, in fact he is 19 spots behind Bronco which is
more spots behind Bronco than Bronco is behind Nick Saban, 16 spots. According to utah "fans" whittingham is supposed to walk on water? It
doesn't seem that the experts see it that way.
@DuckhunterYour obsession is peaking of late, good to see.As for your comment about Whittingham... "and although he has always been
ranked below Bronco" ... just curious, is there an award I don't know
of that's higher than national coach of the year?
Duckhunter, I personally wouldn't have a ton of faith in a
coach who kept a top 10 draft pick on the bench and only started him because of
an injury. To each his own though."in fact he is 19 spots behind
Bronco which is more spots behind Bronco than Bronco is behind Nick Saban, 16
spots."That is a logical fallacy. You assume that each coach is
an equal distance apart. If you honestly believe that Bronco is closer to Saban
than he is to Whittingham you need help.
@ DuckhunterWhile I support and enjoy both BYU and Utah, all that
really matters is what happens on the field. Whit has won a Sugar Bowl and the
last four straight against Bronco. Both are great coaches, and have done good
things at their respective school.
@DuckhunterAdding to my previous comment ... let me clearly state
that I think Bronco's a fine coach and very deserving of his high ranking.
I'm quite certain those who are polled for this kind of coaching
information are taking into account that Bronco has done well with what
he's given. Meaning most around the country would assume there are limiting
circumstances that come with the high religious standards and unique culture at
BYU. Bronco clearly exceeds what most think would be possible in those
circumstances, and quite frankly, I agree.
Bronco can get the higher coach ranking every spring, as long as Whittingham
keeps getting the W over the cougars every fall. Go Utes!
I knew this would bug utah "fans" regardless of whther or not I
commented on it, it is just more fun to comment and read the replies.@motorbikeConsidering this is an article about coaches rankings,
and both coaches are ranked Bronco is just ranked A LOT higher, then I hardly
see how this shows any sort of "obsession". I'm just commenting on
the content of the article.@kgYou are incorrect, kyle
has not won "the last four straight". It is 3 straight. Also the guys
making the rankings took whittingham's sugar bowl win into account when
they compared the job done by each coach and obviously found whittingham lacking
in comparison to Bronco or else they would have ranked him higher. They
didn't so that shows they do not consider what whittingham has done to be
as impressive as what Bronco has done. I didn't make the
rankings by the way, an interested but completely neutral 3rd party made the
rankings. utah "fans" can suffer angst over it, and I'll be amused
by that, but it simply is what it is.
First, it's nice to see the Duck got your collective goats with some
unjustified interpretation of the facts, in as much as the facts are known.I myself would have said, "Wait a minute? Don't they know that
NOTHING trumps number of players placed in the NFL???"@
theDailyObserverSo can I assume that if BYU's lone loss in
20113 is to Utah, and somehow we go to a big boy bowl, and if utah is 1-11, but
beats BYU for the 4th time in a row (not 5th, please note KG), you're okay
with that? That would seem to be the extreme but logical conclusion of your
theDailyObserver"Bronco can get the higher coach ranking every
spring, as long as Whittingham keeps getting the W over the Cougars every
fall."Unfortunately for U, Whittingham "getting the W over
the Cougars every fall" ended last season is a recent 3-game anomaly which
will end in September.In the meantime, a quick comparison of
accomplishments proves that Bronco is clearly the better coach, as reflected in
the annual coach rankings.Overall RecordBronco 74-29Kyle
70-32Top 25 FinishesBronco 5Kyle 3Top 15
FinishesBronco 3Kyle 110+ win seasonsBronco 5Kyle 3Undefeated Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle
1Bowl GamesBronco 8Kyle 7Winning SeasonsBronco 8Kyle 7Losing SeasonsBronco 0Kyle 1Losses to 10+ loss teamsBronco 0Kyle 2As
Duckhunter observed, it's laughable to watch our friends on the hill
throwing jealous temper tantrums trying to disproved the obvious, that Bronco is
a better coach than Kyle.
It makes me laugh to hear all the Cougar comments... especially after the many
many posts I saw last year from Cougar fans during the Riley lovefest. Comments
such as "Bronco has to go" Now to have something they can boast about
they are touting this article from a publications along the line of
Bleacherreports which we all know are written by hacks.
My question - If given the choice between the Kyle and Bronco who would the
majority of the Y fans choose? I think this season will be telling
for the Cougars. Given their schedule - which will approach the U's last
two season (but not be as difficult as Utah's this year) how will the Y do?
If they can do as well this year as they have in the past with their lower
degree of difficulty schedule, I will be one of the first to offer my
My bad... 3rd straight. You can understand my confusion, though... I
wasn't sure how many times they won the same game.Two great
coaches, no doubt.
If 3/4 of Whitt's schedule was made up of the WCC, he too would have 10 win
seasons each year and be ranked as high as Bronco.
If given a choice betweenFIVE Top 25 finishes or threeTHREE Top 15 finishes or oneTWO conference championships or oneEIGHT bowls or sevenEIGHT winning seasons or sevenLosing to TWO 10+ loss team or NONEA 74-29 or a 70-32 overall
recordWhich record would the majority of Utah fans chooses?Despite the lovefest created on the hill by Kyle's one perfect storm
season, it's obvious which coach is better.#17 Bronco > #36
UteNationAlum"If 3/4 of Whitt's schedule was made up of the
WCC, he too would have 10 win seasons each year and be ranked as high as
Bronco."LOL at you delusional spin.Four of
Bronco's FIVE Top 25 finishes, all three of his Top 15 finishes, and FIVE
of Bronco's 10+ win seasons were compiled while BOTH Bronco AND Kyle were
BOTH competing in the MWC.Despite the usual delusional spin from the
hill, Top 25 finishes are a result of BOTH record and schedule.The
simple truth is, BYU is and has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977; Utah
has NEVER been a perennial Top 25 in any decade in their entire football
history...and never will be.
BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall is ranked 17 on Sporting News' annual rankings
of best college coaches.125 coaches from Division I football
programs were ranked based on wins, championships, recruiting, history at
previous jobs, future potential and other factors.Current Utah coach
Kyle Whittingham is ranked 36 and former Utah State and current Wisconsin coach
Gary Andersen is ranked 50. Matt Wells, who was hired to replace Andersen, is
ranked 109.The jealous spin coming from the hill is hilarious!Unfortunately for U, Kyle and his football program have been in steady
decline since Utah's high water mark in 2008. The only ones who can't
see that are the kids on the hill.BYU and Utah, two programs headed
in opposite directions, BYU up, Utah down.
There's not a Ute fan on the planet that would trade Kyle for bronco.The majority of the tds fans would dump bronco at the drop of a hat if
they thought they could get Kyle.
ekuteYou're only fooling yourself. Kyle has proven that he
can't coach with the big boys. His flash-in-the-pan success in 2008 is
quickly fading and so will the lovefest from the kids on the hill with a few
more losing seasons and no bowls.
ekute"There's not a Ute fan on the planet that would trade
Kyle for Bronco."Of course not; why would U trade the 36th best
coach for the 17th best coach?The same delusion explains...why U accept being unranked.why U accept losing records.why U accept playing your bowl games in September, rather than during the
holidays.why U accept losing to 10-loss teams.
Kids on the hill living in denial, as usual.The rest of the country
recognizes what many BYU fans on this blog have been saying for a long time,
that Bronco is a better coach than Kyle.
Kyle had a good run in 2008, but overall, any objective observer would have to
admit that Bronco has outperformed Kyle overall, especially given the extra
hurdles Bronco has been forced to overcome. It's doubtful that it would
have taken Bronco three seasons to beat his first PAC 12 opponent with a winning
record, assuming, of course, that Kyle finally has that breakthrough win in
UteNationAlumThe WCC doesn't play football. For the record,
the WCC plays baseball; both men's and women's basketball, cross
country, golf, soccer, and tennis; and women's volleyball and women's
rowing. But not football. So, if Witt were able to when any football game
against a WCC opponent, that would really be something.
@UtahUte91I beg to differ. byu wouldn't of done any better than
Utah their first 2 years in the Pac12. The hurdles that bronco has been forced
to overcome are not any greater than Kyles' since joining the Pac12.
Playing a WACish schedule doesn't compare to a major conference schedule.
This is the year that we start to see Pac12 size and talent on the Ute squad. Go
"Why would you go after another quarterback when you have Heaps and Nelson?
If your this kid why would you go there if you know what their situation is? Any
bets this kid doesn't end up playing at the Quarterback position and plays
somewhere else.....""Got to love BYU, they've recruited
tons of QB's, what about O-line, D-line, Linebacker, Safety etc????"There you go Naval. From the article 'BYU Footbal: Another QB
commits to Cougars' April 7,2011Now if only you could back up half of
what you post.
This just proofs what we all know, bronco is just so much better and good. All
the top wins and NFL players. and top ranked recruits just proofs how good he
Kyle can't even beat good teams. Bronco always beat the good teams he
I think it's funny that the U fans trumpet and praise their former Cougar
who has ascended to the head coaching position, but BYU fans are still glad that
Whittingham didn't come back to Provo. Bronco is better than Kyle.
While I would enjoying seeing Utah win the South, the fact is it's only
going to get harder to do so. The power in the PAC 12 has been in the North for
the last few years (Oregon, Stanford) while the South has been in a downturn.
USC has been in dissary but even in their drought, have been able to handle the
U. UCLA has turned the corner by hiring Mora. And despite their coaching
turnover, the Arizona schools haven't been awful and are likely to get
better.Utah will get better as well, I believe, but they'll
have to just to repeat their previous records. Getting to the top of the South
is going to take a "perfect storm"...1)the South continues it swoon, 2)
recruiting a difference maker at quarterback (mock Ryan Leaf all you want, but
he got WSU to the Rose Bowl); and avoiding the Titans of the North in their
schedule (unfortunately, their rotation of not playing Stanford and Oregon
won't be back for a number of years).Coaching isn't on my
list, Whit is good enought to get them there. This BYU fan wishes them the best
@ekuteYou're safe. There haven't been any offers for a
Listen, I tried to give Bronco some props in an earlier comment, but coug fans
on this thread are going overboard as usual.Like I said, the respect comes
from Bronco's peers acknowledging that recruiting to BYU is a challenge ...
therefore consistently winning a lot of games, even against WAC caliber talent,
is a notable accomplishment.That said, and rankings aside, what
Universities have come knocking on Bronco's door and what teams have come
knocking on Kyle's? Therein lies the truth.
@motorbikeWell said.Go Utes.
Why is it so difficult for some Ute fans to accept national opinion from well
respected individuals over their own crimson colored bias? What a
lightning rod. What a reaction. I bet the local hardware store at
the bottom of the hill is getting tired of the requests for more torches and
pitchforks. The mob is organizing. With all of the drama on the hill how much
more can the fans endure?It's fun to watch. It really is.
Two seasons of < .500 conference football since your big debut speaks
volumes as well losing to Colorado in 2011 and not winning enough games to play
in the New Mexico Bowl.What do you expect when your team is
outranked by BYU? You think one game trumps a season? Think again.I
so enjoy your whining and spinning. So entertaining.and
Duckhunter...Pulitzer Prize winning stuff today. Thank you.
motorbike"what Universities have come knocking on Bronco's
door..."UCLA, for one, and there have been others as well,
although Bronco doesn't talk much about specific teams that have shown an
interest in him.The truth lies in national team rankings, FIVE for
Bronco, only three for Kyle, and national coach rankings, #17 for Bronco, #36
for Kyle.It's laughable how "unreliable" rankings are
that don't fit the over-inflated opinions of the kids on the hill.Bottom line, first two years of Independence/PAC 12 era2011
#25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)2012 unranked/#26
BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)
ekute"I beg to differ. BYU wouldn't of done any better than
Utah their first 2 years in the Pac12."BYU would have won the
PAC 12 South in their first season because, unlike the Kyle, Bronco
wouldn't have blown a gift-wrapped division by losing to lowly 10-loss
Colorado AT HOME!
"Their in lies the truth."So this person thinks that Bronco
was given some pity and somehow overweighted compensation to balance some weird
Mormon recruiting challenge. What a bunch of bunk. Find me one
person (except a jealous troll) that would even consider such a thought. Only
the warped mind of one desperately trying to find a talking point would even
give it a passing thought.Using that pathetic thought alone then
Whit should have been ranked higher than Bronco.Obviously other
factors such as "wins, championships, recruiting, history at previous jobs,
future potential and other factors." were weighted differently.From a famous and favorite movie... "You can't handle the
"You can't handle the truth..."Kyle lead Utah to a BCS
win and a #2 national ranking.Kyle lead Utah to a major conference
membership.Kyle is 5 and 3 vs bronco, including 2 blowouts.
Duckhunter:"According to utah 'fans' whittingham is
supposed to walk on water? It doesn't seem that the experts see it that
way."You frantically and emotionally made that up. That's
the 2nd strawman argument in as many days that I'd seen from you. Should
we run a counter?Utah fans do NOT think Whittingham is "supposed
to walk on water". We think Whittingham is "supposed to walk all over
mendenmidmajor". And thus far, he's .625 against him, with 2 wild
blowout football clinics over his midmajorey little brother.
SportsFan:"BYU and Utah, two programs headed in opposite
directions, BYU up, Utah down."The Utes went 13-0, 10-3, and
10-3 in the MWC. That's hardly considered a "steady decline".
About the only fact in your last frantic and emotional diatribe was that at
13-0, that WAS in fact Utah's "high water mark". But then at 13-0,
that would have been ANY non-AQ school's high water mark.The
cougars went 10-3, 11-2, and 7-6, and THAT's was thanks to
"Replaygate" that SHOULD have ended your season at 5-7. That's
what you call "heading up"?In the Pac-12, Utah played our
first season in the big boy leagues, and at 8-5 was considered a success.
Especially considering we had a new OC, and a backup D-II QB under center. In
2012 we did take a slight step backward.Meanwhile, the Indy-WACers
dropped back from playing an easier WAC schedule and went 10-3 and 8-5. Still
"heading up"? You went 8-5 in the WAC. We did that in the Pac-12.Edge: Utah.
Naval VetPhiladelphia, PAYou need to up your aspirations. If
the only thing you expect from Whit is to beat "that team down south,"
your membership in the vaunted PAC whatever will very soon lose it's
Cougars1:"There you go Naval. From the article 'BYU
Footbal: Another QB commits to Cougars' April 7,2011Now if only you
could back up half of what you post."Can YOU? I just looked at
that article, and not ONE of those quotes you pecked out were from me! In fact,
out of those 145 comments, NONE of them were from me. That first quote was from
somebody from Ogden named "WarriorWeber". Your second was from another
person, from Denver, named "Honor Code". How frantic and emotional of
you to desperately try to attribute some other posters comments to me. I'm
not even sure what was the point of your post since it isn't really
refuting anyone here.Epic fail.
Y Grad / Y Dad:If you're presuming that my sole expectation
from Whittingham is to beat the Indy-WACers, than you either haven't been
reading my posts, or are attempting a strawman argument...like sammyg or
Duckhunter. Just because beating little brother is "expected", that
doesn't mean it's my ONLY expectation. Personally, I'd be wholly
in favor of not scheduling your irrelevant WAC-worthy program unless we're
getting a 2-for-1 out of it. I'm much more interested in seeing the Utes
elevate our play to a point where we can finally win the Pac-12 South. Once we
can do that, then I will look forward to attaining a higher standard wherein we
can finally play in the Rose Bowl. After playing in the Rose Bowl, the next
goal will be to win a national championship.
ikuteAnd Kyle played Madden football on his xBox during the
holidays.And Kyle and company read the season end rankings and cried.And then Kyle and company watched the basketball team and sighed.Then
they read about the mess in the swimming dept.And then in the newspaper
they saw the 'intramural' Rugby team go belly up.Then they read
yesterday's article.And Norm Chow laughed on the beach.
lintNothing more entertaining than seeing Ute fans elevate
themselves to the highest levels and then watching the team hold them back but
they... cliff jump anyway.All this angst over an article that lists
Bronco as the better coach on the national stage. It's like a dagger to the
heart huh?Elevating the play? Try something a little less lofty like
winning 50% of your conference games.Playing in a Rose Bowl?
I'll pick one up for you at the dollar store.
And bronco had his chance in the Pac10 and got fired.And Norm Chow laughed
at how the tds went back to being the little brother after he and Lavelle
left.And some people can't handle the truth so they resort to name
sammyg:"All this angst over an article that lists Bronco as the
better coach on the national stage."Another strawman from you.
My comment was for "Y Grad / Y Dad", and had nothing to do with a coach
being ranked higher than the coach that owns a .625 record against him. Ooooh
yeah. Whittingham's .625 record vs. mendenmidmajor means that
mendenmidmajor's record vs. Whittingham is a paltry .375. It's like a
dagger to your WACish and midmajory heart, isn't it sammy?Looks
like this is the last year the Y will ever get to stamp their name in the annals
of "BCS Bowl participants". Even Hawai'i (WAC) and No. Illinois
(MAC) got there, but your boys laid great big giant goose egg there. And should
they get a BCS Bowl invitation this year [yeah, laughable...I know], and win
[snicker], you'll finally rise up to the level of "1/2 the program of
your big brother.""LOL"Looks like your best
bet would be to just go buy a trophy at the Dollar Store.
Naval,That comment was meant to go on the article about Utah having depth
at qb. You had told Duck he was making up that anyone had made such comments. I
was simply showing you that those comments were made. Apology accepted.
NVThen that means it is the one of the ONLY expectations that has
been met in the last couple of years.Oh, and beating Colorado. Good
NVBy the way, you should be careful what you wish for. The Arizona
and California schools might as well start lobbying the PAC for 2 for 1's
with Utah, the way U have been playing.
NVYour comments about WACish opponents are the real strawman. After
all, BYU beat Georgia Tech, which handled USC easily in their bowl game (at
least the Trojans made it to a bowl game). And BYU was able to beat the USU
Aggies (which actually was a WAC team).
When they do not have a leg to stand on, they resort to name calling.
Wells was ranked extremely low on the list. And the USU fan's expect to
have a winning season wiht the new coach? Guess what guys, a winning season
Naval Vet"The Utes went 13-0, 10-3, and 10-3 in the MWC.
That's hardly considered a "steady decline"."LOL at
your spin.Since 2008 the Utes have gone2008 #2/#4/#5 13-02009 #18/#18/#24 10-32010 unranked/#23/#26 10-32011 unranked/#39
8-52012 unranked/#61 5-7 no bowlOnly a desperate Utah homer
unable to accept reality would try to describe that record as anything other
than a "steady decline".Your Replaygate scenario is complete
fantasy! BYU would have beaten SDSU even without the controversial fumble call,
which, btw, BYU had absolutely nothing to do with.
It's always funny that people keep bringing up that "controversial
fumble call" against SDSU. I mean, it's not like Utah ever beat BYU in
part because of a controversial fumble call.
navelvet"Looks like this is the last year the Y will ever get to
stamp their name in the annals of "BCS Bowl participants"."Who cares! The failed bogus championship series will soon become a forgotten
relic of the past. Top 25 rankings and national championships are the only
enduring measuring sticks for long term major college football success, and in
those categories, Utah is barely a blip on the national radar, while BYU will
always be a former national champion and perennial Top 25 team.
@ Ydad/Ygrad"By the way, you should be careful what you wish
for. The Arizona and California schools might as well start lobbying the PAC for
2 for 1's with Utah, the way U have been playing."Utah is
1-1 against Arizona, UCLA, and Cal... You fail.
2ferUtah is great, sometimes, at beating teams when they're
down, but the sorry Utes haven't beaten a single PAC 10.2 team with a
"it's not like Utah ever beat BYU in part because of a controversial
fumble call."No, but it puts an asterisk on your incessant
boasting about stats, rankings and overall records.We had to beat
you guys 3 times last year because of 2 controversial calls.
ekute,What 2 calls were controversial? Just because the fans are so
"brilliant" they don't know how to wait until the game is over to
rush the field doesn't make it controversial. Inconvenient maybe , but not
controversial.BTW, I looked everywhere for the asterisk and
couldn't find it. You "ute" fans have your own reality.
ekute"We had to beat you guys 3 times last year because of 2
controversial calls."Classic Ute whining about
"controversial" calls. It's funny that you don't insist on an
asterisk being placed on Utah's 2010 win because of the bogus fumble that
the Utes were given.
StangWells has a extremely low rank, because he has no experience at
head coach, not because he has failed as a coach. Based solely off the rankings
Andersen looks only average, but he was just hired by a Rose Bowl team. Wells
ranking is worthless until he has coached a season of football. Then we can see
how he does. I'd imagine 3 years ago, Anderson's ranking was in the
100's as well, but this year he was the top coach in the WAC and the top
coach in the state of Utah. Anderson's ranking is also low because of lack
of success over several years. His ranking will go up over the next couple
years as well.
@ Ydad/Ygrad"Utah is 1-1 against Arizona, UCLA, and Cal... You fail."And I'll give you full marks for spin,
but needs significant improvement for reading comprehension. U are also 1-1
versus Colorado, but I wouldn't recommend you adding that to your short
list of accomplishments.
@Phoenix...."placed on Utah's 2010 win because of the bogus fumble that
the Utes were given."What? Just because in your mind you think
it was bogus and because like most cougie fans have to make an excuse for every
loss or blame the refs doesn't mean it's true. There was no bogus
fumble given to the utes in that game? If you want to point to blown calls I can
pick several things on both sides in every game. Stop making excuses right now
Utah is just the better team/program in comparison to the cougies and have been
for quite some time now!
2b"Utah is just the better team/program in comparison to...
[BYU]"Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but saying it,
doesn't make it so. The record speaks for itself.Top 25
FinishesBronco 5 > Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3
> Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2 > Kyle 110+ Win SeasonsBronco 5 > Kyle 3Bowl GamesBronco 8 > Kyle 7Overall RecordBronco 74-29 > Kyle
70-322011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no
showDespite the frantic and emotional spin from the hill, Bronco has
a MUCH better record than Kyle in national rankings, conference championships,
and overall record.
Bronco #17? Ha Ha HaPop, almost came out of my nose....now
that's a real knee slapper!
Y's little BroWhy did you leave out head to head games and BCS
games?Now that's curious?
Spokane Ute"Bronco #17? Ha Ha Ha"Only to a
jealous Utah fan who worships at the feet of Kyle."Why did you
leave out head to head games and BCS games?"Single games and
single seasons are contributing factors but do not define overall success.
Jealous U:"Your Replaygate scenario is complete fantasy! BYU
would have beaten SDSU even without the controversial fumble call, which, btw,
BYU had absolutely nothing to do with."But your alumni did...and
in a "must win" situation. And as for that controversial fumble
no-call, that DID impact the game. That fumble occurred on the 25-yd line.
Five plays later the cougars scored their last TD of the game. That score
amounted to a 7-pt swing, and the Y only won by 3.Furthermore, this
is no "fantasy". There's video evidence that showed the fumble
occurred, and thus the TD 5-plays later would not have happened had your alumni
not been jam packed in your Replay Booth.
Navel VetIt's laughable how far you'll stretch the truth
to suit your own distorted view of reality.Here's what another
SLC newspaper had to say about "replaygate":"A source
who has intimate knowledge of what goes on in replay booths at Mountain West
Conference stadiums says head replay official Mike Angelis of Reno, Nev., is
entirely responsible for botching a critical replay review in BYU's 24-21
win against San Diego State last Saturday.Furthermore, the source
says the MWC is throwing the two other replay staffers in the booth that day
— including BYU employee Chad Bunn — "under the bus" by
suspending them along with Angelis for a game and unfairly allowing blame to be
cast on them although they were acting only in supporting roles that day."At the end of the day, it is the head replay official, a real paid
referee, who makes the call," said the source. "Bottom line is the
referee [Angelis] blew the call."Of course, IF the facemask that
caused the fumble had been called, BYU would have had the ball on 12-yard
line.Justice was served. You owe Chad an apology.
So this the Sporting News, not Deseret News, not Bleacher Report. Gnash your
teeth if it makes you feel better, but you'd be better served to ask
yourselves "why?"Little ironic, because u continually tell
us that the national championship is 1) ancient history, and 2) really
didn't happen. But it appears that in the world of competitive football,
an impressive sugar bowl win over a marquee program like 'Bama is
yesterday's mush. The by-line is "what have you done
lately," and lately, Utah hasn't done much. So you like
Kyle, wouldn't trade him. I respect that. We like Bronco, wouldn't
trade him. I acknowledge the "torch and pitchfork" element of the loyal
blue, and I'm sure Red has it too. Bottom line, if Kyle has another season
like this last, he could be the greatest ex-coach you ever had.
YgradYou are right, Utah hasn't done much lately; but what in the
world has BYU done? Continuely lose to their rival, beat the bad teams and lose
to the good teams. End up in the Kraft macaroni and cheese bowl. Nothing to
write home about. Bronco hasn't done squat. Certainly nothing close to
Utah's Fiesta or Sugar Bowl seasons.
@False MachineJealous of what? I'm wearing my Sugar Bowl
Hoodie. Bronco can't even come close to 2008-9 Sugar Bowl season. Heck, he
can't even beat his rival. You can have him.
Spokane UteYour fading Sugar Bowl hoodie is just like your fading
football program that, just like the 80's, once again thinks of BYU as its
bowl game.It's laughable that the only team of any significance
that you've beaten since joining the PAC 10.2...is BYU!
I like all of these stats being thrown around for, what seems like, the 10,000th
time on a dnews story. "x number of 10+ win seasons"...
"Haven't lost to teams with 10+ losses"... "17-0 record when
playing on a thursday night with a 10% chance of precipitation"... Granted,
Kyle doesn't have as many "top-notch" stats as Bronco (besides the
head-to-head winning record vs. BYU...), but isn't it getting a little
ridiculous when you have to dig that much for a stat to make your coach look
DontMUSSStats (coaching records) are used to rank coaches, which is
what this article is about.Utah fans may not like it, but in the
latest annual Sporting News coach rankings:Bronco is ranked 17thKyle is ranked 36th
MussingWhatever helps you feel better about losing to us every year.
NoMussUnfortunately for U, even the losing to U every year is coming
to an end.
@TallNSkinnyI'm just lending an opinion. Especially since you
aggies expect an undefeated season under a first year coach. And I find it
funny that Anderson is such a bad guy now, when four years or so ago he was the
answer to the aggies prayers. The aggie fan's crack me up sometimes.
@ skywalker"Unfortunately for U, even the losing to U every year
is coming to an end."Doubt it. BYU has a question mark at QB
and a bad O-line. That's not really a recipe for success.
Spokane Ute Spokane, WA "Ygrad You are right, Utah
hasn't done much lately; but what in the world has BYU done? "Apparently enough to rank Bronco 17th. Look folks, the stats are
not copyrighted by BYU. We didn't create them. If the fact that an
independent source like The Sporting News digests those stats and comes up with
a 17 ranking for Bronco bothers you, it may be time to ratchet down your passion
for all things anti BYU.But in answer to your question,
Bronco's real accomplishments are best typified by Kyle Van Noy. You look
@2BCSWINSIt's not just in "cougies" minds it was bogus. They
replayed it in espn and drew a glaring circle around byu player's knee
clearly down while he was still holding onto the football. Who did the utes pay
in the booth for that one? It was absolutely bogus and espn highlighted to show
just how bogus it was. BYU would have kneeled on the ball after that
interception and bogus call, and game over. I won't use it as an excuse
because there were things BYU could have done throughout that game to win, but I
also won't let u try and pretend it wasn't a bogus call, when replays
showed proof that it was.
Sorry, tablet ate my homework. But in answer to your question,
Bronco's real accomplishments are best typified by Kyle Van Noy. You look
at where he started his career before BYU and where he is now, and that is the
prototype of what Bronco is trying to accomplish. Doesn't grade out on
draft day or in close games, but THAT is what BYU football is about. Building
men of character who happen to be good, sometimes great, football players. That's why many of U mock his priorities; that's why many Y
fans embrace him.
@ Cougsndawgs BYU would have kneeled on the ball with 6 minutes
left....when Utah still had three timeouts?Good call.
@two forYou're right there was more time left than I thought. This
call did leave Utah with great field position though, and BYUs offense was
moving the ball at this point in the game...the field position was huge though
because it was such a defensive game. Bottom line it was a bogus call, and
replay showed it very clearly. How a booth official misses that when espn so
easily and clearly displays it is ridiculous.
These types of rankings are the only kind of pseudo-victories the cougars have
had over the utes the last 3 1/2 years in football.They can't win in
the amount of money the program brings in, the success of their graduates after
college football, or in the academic achievements of their football players. The
objective measures usually favor the utes, including the 3-0 mark in
head-to-head.So cougar fans, enjoy the "wins" in who Phil
Steele likes more and all the other subjective contests. I'll
save my celebration for the victory in an actual football game.