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  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    April 17, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    The American people could have told him that when they were jamming it down our throats. This was a law that the majority of Americans did not want or need. This was purely about politics, not about what was right for the American people.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 17, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    Surprise, surprise!

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    April 17, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    "Train Wreck" a perfect characterization of Obama's presidency, at least to this point; in the end (2016) it's "Total Wreck!"

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    April 17, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Most people who knows anything about gov't run programs knew a long time ago that this wreck was bound to happen.There is still a lot we or the administration don't know about the bill because there are so many unknowns and fuzzy definitions to work out.This wreck will be bigger than we ever imagined,

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 17, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    Wow, occasionally the truth escapes a politician's mouth! Accordingly, the state run media will smother it, and a man behind the curtain will will announce a new program to 'fix' everything, all at no cost to the taxpayers(of course).

  • CPA Howard Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
    April 17, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Now that they've read the bill and know what's in it, they've figured out what we all know. We the people should demand that all bills in congress are not more than 100 pages and adress only one subject and no amendments to the bill that have nothing to do with the bill they are attached.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 17, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    Once again we see that Mitt Romney was right and BO was/is wrong. Too late America! We got what we deserve!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 17, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    That is unfortunate but when the "Man" takes over the duties of the House and Senate and forces their leadership to pass "His" bill before they read it with changes up to the end, it is logical that there would be problems. He had so much to do being the Nobel Peace person before he got into office that he couldn't care about the country and just govern.

    He wanted to be the Woodrow Wilson, Theodore and Franklin D. Roosevelt and even the Kennedy of the 2000s but he is not going to have that bestowed. It is too bad he is still in office but the percent must have known this was going to happen but still wanted him to navigate us off the financial cliff. The precipice is too much for anyone to handle but especially the one that is an attorney of Constitutional law but hasn't practiced that, even when in the Senate. He didn't vote very often and is still the victor of the crown, even though we haven't had much peace since he took over. He had a piece of us in his mouth when he spoke badly about us overseas.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 17, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    It's interesting to see how many politicians and voters attitudes and beliefs tend to sway in the wind with whatever agenda seems to be politically correct at the time. Then reality eventually sets in, as is now happening with this ill-begotten (even if good intentioned) law.

    Obamacare had very little chance of succeeding since day one. Even Nancy Pelosi (as then Speaker of the House) knew that when she responded to a press inquiry with her infamous "That's why we need to pass it, so we can see what's in it" statement. A good law would've needed no such response.

    Common sense should've told us that with what is almost universally recognized as the premier health care system in the world (leaders from most other countries fly here when faced with serious health issues), we should've been only tweaking our system instead of trying to overhaul it. Instead, look at the enormous cost in time and money that has been wasted trying to get this travesty off the ground. Sad.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    April 17, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    Just throw more money at it. That will get it back on track.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    "Lead, follow or get out of the way". And the GOP plan is what?

  • JimE Kaysville, UT
    April 17, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    Really? Anyone with two functioning neurons can figure this out. Glad to see someone finally speaking up.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 17, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    From what I can tell from the article, the senator's comments have nothing to do with the law itself, but the implementation of the law, and that republicans have gone out of their way, apparently, to make the exchanges difficult. But hey, why read the article and what it's about when you can write posts to make it look like the comments were against the law itself!

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    April 17, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    Of course it will be a train wreck.
    Designed by career politicians more interested in power and control than anything else.
    No Republicans (and no doctors) allowed to design health care law (all doctors in congress are Republicans).
    Zero attention paid to real costs.
    Zero attention paid to actually making health care more affordable.
    Ignored markets completely.
    Designed behind closed doors for fear the American People would shoot it down (duh).
    Have to pass it to find out what is in it.

    They told us that health care is a right but it rations health care to some and forbids it to others (get cancer over the age of 76 and you are not even allowed to pay for your own treatment with your own money).

    I am going to enjoy watching the Democrats as this train wreck unfolds.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    April 17, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    Where are all the "Obama can do no wrong" commenters today?

    Are they on the phone with the democratic national committee trying to come up with todays talking points?

    Isn't it about time the House of Representatives cut off ALL funding for it? The longer Obamacare tries to survive the more expensive it will become to undo it.

    Yet another failure!

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    April 17, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    Past Tense: That health law proposal was a train wreck.
    Present Tense: The health law proposal is a train wreck.
    Future Tense: The health law proposal will be a train wreck.

    We knew, we know, we will know...

    Politicians are quite astute at pushing their own agendas and building their own monuments - while ignoring the voice of America.

    The government can cover all health related issues like it can keep all its citizens safe, like it can efficiently and effectively educate everyone, like it can win the war on drugs, like it can sustain prohibition, like it can make life fair . . .

    It can't. It never could. It never will.

    Government was not the 'ENTIRE' solution in the past, it's not now, it will not be in the future.

    “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it”
    - Wicked Wich of the West

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 17, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    "we see a train wreck coming"??? Really? I think the train has already jumped the tracks and exploded long long ago guys. Of course no one really read the ugly 50 million page bill before passing it and I guarantee you there isn't one Democrat who can explain it. And of course Nancy told us all we would read and understand the bill AFTER we passed it. Well that makes alot of sense. Would you sign you name to a mortgage settlement before ever seeing the house let alone asking what the cost was?? Obamacare never was about solving health care anyway and we on the right always knew that - it was about fundamentally changing America and granting the federal government absolute power over everything in your life..and your kids life ...and your grandkids life .......

    of course we can't aford this thing - the cost was projected (falsely) as 850 billion and it is now up to 2.8 trillion and growing and this is not to even scratch the serface of the cost to business. All I can say is Obama won re-elction and elections have consequences. America is in free fall.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    So basically there are problems with implementation because Republicans are doing everything they can to make it difficult to implement. Sounds pretty normal. Apparently it's Obama and Democrats fault that Republicans are playing games.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 17, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    It didn't go nearly far enough. We should have a single payer system in place by now.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    April 17, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    The fact that Nancy Pelosi said, "We have to pass it so that we can read it," doesn't help anyone to have confidence in this.

    I wonder if a better way for Obama to have done this would be to implement health care reform gradually. Maybe he could have gotten a consensus from governors and Republicans to do something like free immunizations for children under the age of 5. Something simple. Then see how it works. No big grandiose themes where they assumed that they could manage all sorts of complexities because they are the government and of course, they can do things right. Of course, as always.

  • LifeLibertyHappiness Draper, UT
    April 17, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    Hutterite are you serious? Single payer system = no competition = higher costs, lower quality, less access.

    The answer is get the government out of health care. Put consumerism back in and actually make health care insurance again. Somehow we've evolved to the point that we think all health care should be no cost, low cost and yet we want the best. It will never add up. If we went back to insurance coverage for big things like cancer, accidents, broken bones then allowed consumers to pay for routine office visits, simple prescriptions, people would shop for the best values. That's the behavior HSA accounts drive now.

    As a point of comparison, what if our nation said for car insurance, "It's not fair that we have to pay for tune ups, oil changes, tires and repairs! We demand the government do something and force those evil insurance companies to pay!" What if the government limited the amount of profit auto insurers could earn? The cost of car insurance would skyrocket, innovation would drop and everyone would wonder why. Then try to make more laws to force an impossible outcome.

    This is exactly what's happened to health care "insurance".

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 17, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    I have some real concerns about the Affordable Healthcare Act (AHA) and its implementation. I do think this is an overreach and will hurt the economy. With that being said I applaud the effort to solve the healthcare problem, I really wish the republicans would have participated in the concept instead of standing on the sidelines.

    Long before the AHA, healthcare costs have been increasing at a double digit rate. Doing nothing was not a better solution than the AHA. I think it is time that the republicans cease to be the party of no, and maybe put forward their own solution. Maybe then we could take the best of both ideas and great something really great.

    Its easy to criticize but my Dad always taught me you have two choices be part of the problem or be part of the solution. The republicans by sitting on the sideline are part of the problem

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    April 17, 2013 10:48 p.m.

    LifeLibertyHappiness:

    With the exception of Medicare and Medicaid (which are hugely popular), the government HAS been out of health care, which is exactly what got us into this mess. Obamacare is hardly perfect, but it's a real step forward. Republicans, on the other hand, are more interested in throwing tantrums and dragging their feet. They had their chance and failed miserably. Time to try something else.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    April 18, 2013 12:32 a.m.

    This is the same man who blocked the Single Payer option from even coming up for debate. Who's he working for and how much are they paying him?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    April 18, 2013 5:26 a.m.

    Mountanman said, "Once again we see that Mitt Romney was right and BO was/is wrong. Too late America! We got what we deserve!"

    Was Mitt Romney right when he implemented the program that the ACA was modeled after or was he right when he turned 180 degrees against it in order to get the nomination from the do-nothing, obstructionist Republican Party? Please clarify.

    Once again, the headline writers at the DN have tried to twist what an AP article says. Senator Baucus wasn't complaining about the ACA itself but rather the perceived implementation of it. I think ultimately what he was concerned about was that the voices of deceit coming from the other side of the aisle were maing a better case than than the adminstration. And, as the article so clearly points out, it is the obstructionist attitudes of Republican governors and legislatures that are standing in the way of the full implentation of the program. I'm not sure what it is about some folks that make them want to deny decent healthcare for the citizens of our country - all of them.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 18, 2013 5:27 a.m.

    If there was bumbling, it was by Baucus, who crafted. crafted a bill to please special interest groups. If we know anything from yesterday's vote on background checks , the Senate (and the House) is not there to represent the people. I understand the anger of the tea party folks, but the anger should not be directed at the President, but at Congress which is literally owned by corporate interest groups.

  • snowyphile Jemez Springs, NM
    April 18, 2013 5:43 a.m.

    For Congress, the ACA was an anomaly: an attempt to help citizens. As a rite of passage, the insurance lobby ransomed a windfall, with Joe Lieberman their mouthpiece.

    Ours is the best government money can buy. Democracy cannot be delegated. Switzerland has a true democracy, and its infrastructure attests to what can be accomplished if government doesn't succumb to lobbies. Swiss citizens write laws and overturn ones they don't like, by referenda. Their parliamentarians don't get voted out of office -- which would be considered embarrassing. (They aim to serve their constituents, and rejection at the polls would indicate they failed.) Swiss citizens constitute the fourth and ultimate branch of their government. That's the way it should be in the USA, and we need to make it so.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2013 6:32 a.m.

    yes we can! yes we can! yes we can! the lemmings chanted to their socialist leader.

    Nope that wasn't North Korea. Right here in the good ol USA.

    The confusing part for those that live and die by welfare. Is in their mind they were being promised the world. They gave all of the power and control to the current regime. Now that it's not meeting their expectations, they feel confused and lonely and don't understand what is happening.

    Maybe people should have to pass some kind of exam, just to show that they are competent enough to understand what is going on before they vote.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    April 18, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    "With that being said I applaud the effort to solve the healthcare problem, I really wish the republicans would have participated in the concept instead of standing on the sidelines."

    Fred44, I'm afraid you are misinformed about the situation. It's not that Republicans didn't want to get involved on this issue; it's that the Democrats didn't allow them to get involved. They even had to pay off some of their own to go in on the deal. You can't blame Republicans for being on the sideline when Democrats kept them there.

    Speaking of attempting to fix problems as opposed to standing on the sidelines, how's the budget coming along?

  • EPJ Grantsville, UT
    April 18, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    Here is a perfect example of this inept president's train wreck of a program: over the course of the last three months, our healthcare provider has sent us at least eleven duplicate letters containing a cover letter which explains that the mailing is required by the new healthcare act. Included is a very poorly designed and difficult to read or understand, multiple page document which is generated (as the cover letter explains), by a government-supplied "template". We only started counting duplicate mailings after it became apparent that they were duplicated mailings, so the actual count is probably twelve or thirteen!

    At least I can take solace in the thought that the US Postal Services will be guaranteed additional business, albeit at taxpayer expense.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    The law will help many people and to be a great country we need universal coverage. Tea party is going to yell and obstruct of course, that is why Bush remains so unpopular. Hate government but offer no plan except to make billionaires wealthier.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 18, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar, you are wrong. Our own Senator Hatch refused to attend meetings. The GOP walked away deliberately because they wanted this to be a Democratic bill, even as they undermined the process and used surrogates.

    In the end, the only thing that will work is a national health insurance system. Trying to kow-tow to those making money off bad health is a recipe for disaster.

    And, Riverton Cougar, as for the budget, the GOP is indeed the choke-point. The problem is that the Dems are trying to compromise and the GOP wants all or nothing, so we get nopthing. You can be a partisan as you like, but for me, I'm sick and tired of the whole lot of them.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    April 18, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    Was there ever any doubt. 1.If incompetence was sold as hamburgers, there would be golden arches over every government building.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Everything you need to know about Baucus' comments can be found in this line from the story: "Baucus expects a tough re-election in 2014."

    He's appeasing the right, who's votes he needs if he hopes to get re-elected as a Democrat in Montana.

    Nothing more complicated than that.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    The senators remarks focus on implementation. I will focus on why The affordable healthcare act itself was not what it claimed to be. I am a college student. I have survived college working 20 to 25 hours a week during the school year (going full-time) and when I take semesters off or go part-time I have worked at my jobs 30-40+ hours a week to earn/save money (I've had flexible jobs that have allowed me to do that). Obama care is supposed to help people like me, people without health insurance. All it is doing for me is limiting how much I can work at my job (making it harder to afford insurance) and further burdening me by fining me $500 for not having insurance. A lot of my college friends have the same problem. All in all this legislation is another example of how the government doesn't think I can make decisions in my best interest. Yet again I still think I'm more qualified than they are. I'm sure in 2000+ pages there are a few more nonsensical ideas so far this is the only one I've been informed of.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    April 18, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    I'd love for everyone to have health care. I would also love an efficient system and for everyone to work hard. Efficiency and hard work aren't a part of the government. When people spend other people's money, they just aren't careful. When something is given for free, most will not appreciate or respect it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    @LifeLibertyHappiness
    "Hutterite are you serious? Single payer system = no competition = higher costs, lower quality, less access. "

    Universal healthcare systems have been implemented that allow competition (Germany for instance). Their costs are much lower (Germany, France, Canada, UK are all way cheaper than the US), and don't have lower quality or less access because nobody is being turned away due to pre-existing conditions thanks to a for-profit industry looking to maximize profits.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 18, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    When I saw the President state that the NRA willfully lied he is still using the Chicago bullying tactics he has used for years as President. He thinks just because he is President he can bully everyone, even his own colleagues such as Reid and Pelosi and many others.

    He thinks he can bully North Korea into stopping it's tactics that he uses. He does the same for Iran, Israel and many other countries and alliances.

    Diplomacy is not his forte. He should take the Art of Negotiations classes that the Department of State provides at the George Schultz building. He wouldn't go there as it is a Republican named building but he probably could take it online.

    These Senators that pushed their programs down people's throats starting 5 years ago for the Nobel Peace person, will still have their elections on the line. Even though some will forget that their Senators did this to them, some will forget as they only want handouts for nothing.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    atl134
    Last time I visited Canada, I didn’t feel well. My Canadian friends encouraged me to see their private doctor because “the government health care was terrible" (their words)
    And it wasn’t because Obama is a victim of evil Republicans either

  • Utah Soldier Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    ALT 124
    Since you brought up Germany, lets talk about a couple of things that is “standard” in Germany Healthcare that would never happen here in the US.

    First, premature babies are deemed “too expensive” to care for. Tell an expecting mother that her 22 week old baby is going to be “thrown out in with trash” because “it not worth the expense of the care” and see what reaction you get. The US Hospital in Germany established a NICU to provide care to those types of patients, and if we could get an expectant mom to 22 weeks, we had a 95% chance of success. German healthcare provided no chance. Oh, and the newborn was not considered a live birth, therefore it didn’t affect the mortality rate or the life expectancy.

  • Utah Soldier Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    CONT

    Don't speak German? Good luck understanding what procedures will done. Some of the staff may speak some English, but there is no requirement to provide services using the patient’s language. By contrast, in the US, ANY patient may request (and must be provided) interpretive service AT NO COST to the patient, but the hospital must absorb the cost as it is not reimbursed in any way for this service.

    Yes, our system has some shortcoming and needs some tweeking but,Thank you no – but I will keep our American system any day

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    April 18, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    The picture of this statesman/salesman, included at the top of this article, is worth a thousand words.

    Bumbling Baucus was/is/will continue to be a train wreck.

    Bumbling Baucus is facing/fearing re-election in 2014.

    Bumbling Baucus is simply attempting to provide pathetic political cover for HIS massive failure as co-writer of the ACA.

    Now Bumbling Baucus is distancing himself from his own creation.

    Simply another failed bumbling politician.

    Thank you DN for exposing this failed political fraud from Montana.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 18, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    By 2016, Obama would have caused more damage on this country then all our wars combined.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    One vote,
    The law will help…

    HAHAHAHAHA!!
    Oh, please stop, my sides ache!

    You’ve not bothered to read all the articles about people LOSING their coverage thanks to Obamacare?

    “make billionaires more wealthy”

    You mean the way it rewards insurance companies by forcing everyone to buy their product?

    BTW, bush’s approval ratings had more to do with war than healthcare.

    Esquire,
    TOO FUNNY!!
    Why WOULD they attend the meetings when they were told ahead of time they had to ride in the back of the bus and NONE of their ideas would be considered?

    Even BO’s kangaroo court-ish healthcare summit was a sham. BO spoke longer than all the repubs combined, and when you add in the other dem speakers, the GOP got maybe 20% of the time.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 18, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    re:atl134

    I think you yourself said a few weeks ago that the current Obamacare implementation was a mess. Right? You said that the real solution is a single payer system. Right? It is obvious to any business owner that Obamacare is going to kill them with regulations, fees, and taxes. It is clear to any governor that the health exchange is going to kill them after the federal govt stop giving them money...about 3 years from now. It is clear to doctors - whom are leaving their practices - that their compensation is going drop like a rock. It is clear to insurance companies that the rate increase cascade that is going to continue is going to eventually put them out of business. It is clear to each of us on the bottom rung of the ladder that we are paying more ...for less ... right now and that is only going to get worse. So ... you were saying this is all the GOP's fault?? The GOP didn't cast ONE vote for this train wreck - remember? What is happening is ALL in the Democrat's lap - recall the dems had the House and Sentate for 2 years - got everything they wanted.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    April 18, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    For all the Republiclones out there, here are a few thoughts. If the government can't do anything right...why was the insurance industry running for toilet paper when the government option was being proposed? Could it be because they gauge consumers? If they were truly not concerned about competition with the government...why did they shut it down? Why are they scared to open the drug market with Canada? Isn't this the free market at work? Are they concerned that their outrageous markups can't compete? Too funny when the GOP supports the free market and competition EXCEPT when it cuts away from the Health Insurance and Prescription Drug Cartel.

    Why did the GOP do nothing to reform Health Care? They had ample opportunity. They however got big campaign contributions from this racket, so they did nothing--in fact, they did a big give away to Prescription Drug with Medicare Part D to show their support. They had no problem with outrageous prices which priced people out of the market or policy which kicked people to the curb with pre-existing conditions. Now the GOP is siding with the Gun Lobby over the citizens...Shame on you GOP!

  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
    April 19, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    Our company just laid off 20 employees to make room under the employee limit because the alternative was so much worse. But, nowadays, it is almost easier to stay home anyway.

    Denmark has a single payer system. It takes 13 years to become a master pastry chef and 8 to be a surgeon. Guess where I am glad I live now?