Politics is a dirty game. And it is dirty on both sides. At times, one side
may stoop lower, but be sure that the other side will catch up.This
is nothing new. McConnell and the GOP is no better or worse than the Dems.What bothers me is the polarization. The need to think that the
"other" side is worse.It is escalating.That trajectory
is terrible for this country.Suggestion. Set your boundaries, then
call out any and all who overstep them. You will be surprise how often your own
party is guilty.
@ Joe Blow. Actually history shows there is a huge difference between Dems and
GOP when it comes to dirty tricks. Dems get away with it! Remember Watergate?
Why, it was the crime of the century! A President resigned in disgrace and
people went to jail. Compare that with Ted Kennedy (Chappaquiddick), Hillary
Clinton (white water caper ,cattle gate scam and missing documents lies) Bill
Clinton (Monica Lewinsky) Barney Frank (male prostitution ring) and on and on
they go. Dems walk away unscathed but not GOP crooks, they pay for their crimes!
The news media never holds Dems accountable and protects and enables Dems. Then
the short memories of low information voter is the difference.
I agree with Joe both sides play the game.Thanks for the AM radio
Opinion, yep its alway the media or the leeberals or someone else.
That is the problem Mtnman.Partisans can only see (and remember) the
wrongdoings of the other side.I could post an equally long list of
GOP malfeasances, but they would go right by you.In your mind,
GOP=Good and Moral, Dem = bad and immoral.Keep on your blinders.
They will help you sleep at night.
Dirty tactics work because the people accept them and more often than not vote
for the most effective dirty player. What does that say about us?
All I am saying is Democrat crooks get away with their immorality. Republican
crooks are forced resign in disgrace. No blinders here at all,we see it
frequently. Has Obama been held accountable for his malfeasances (Benghazi,
White House leaks, wasted "stimulus" package, Solyndra, etc) like GWB
was excoriated for his malfeasance? Not even close and if you can't see it,
its you that has blinders.
Politics is what it is, dirty. The focus here should be on what is
illegal, that being wiretapping. Nothing on the 'tape' is illegal, but
the existence of the tape is illegal. But as Mountainman points out,
it was democrats who made the tape illegally, and they always seem to get a pass
on their activities. This will be a test of the law and of justice. I don't
hold high hopes justice will be served.
Or is it possible the GOP simply has a persecution complex?
@Joe Blow I'am an Independent voter who votes on both sides. I would like
to see your long list of GOP's who got away with it. I can only think of
one, the rest resigned. Mountainman can at least back his point!
Re: Mountanman Hayden, IDYou believe what you want to believe.
"Facts" you cite may or may not have relevance. Granted politics
appears to have its own rules. If you are on the other side, you may not want
to believe anything that is critical of your side but instead focus on what is
negative (or entirely untrue) of the other side. This is simply extreme
partisanship. Well, what else is new?Illegal bugging? Maybe.
However, the dirty tricks squads of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove are truly amazing
from a strategical perspective. If you look at them from an ethical
point-of-view, they are really abhorrent. Nonetheless, it all depend on where
you are standing politically. If you are a Republican, Atwater/Rove are okay.
Whatever they did to win an election was entirely acceptable. Yet if you are a
Democrat, you don't like what they did because they (surprise! surprise!)
were better. So, Mountanman, you appear very partisan. One
doesn't know how far to the Right, but one can imagine pretty extreme
Right, politically. It doesn't matter. There is a consistancy in your
views, and everyone should appreciate that fact.
So, you really want to compare Watergate to Lewinski and Whitewater?You consider those similar offenses?Do you not consider Impeachment a
punishment?For one, A GOP appointed special prosecutor looked
FOREVER at those 2 things. Kennedy? Yes, he got away with it. So
did Rangle.My point is (and was) that the GOP has just as many moral
and legal failings. Are you suggesting that those who get prosecuted
dont belong on the list?Tom Delay?David VitterBob NeyScooter LibbyTed StevensCunninghamAlberto GonzalasMany of these were convicted in court. Not the news media.
Politicians continue to increase the division in America...Tearing apart the
very strength of our nation.And we, the people, continue to fall for
So what I hear is that Republicans NEVER have abortions, smoke pot, have
extra-marital affairs, or are Gay?
Both parties are obviously playing the same game. McConnel should pay the
price for what he did, and the person who illegally bugged the McConnel campaign
should pay the price for what they did.IMO what McConnel did is what
every politician does. Disapointing but nothing illegal.But bugging the
campaign was illegal (remember watergate)? And releaseing a recording you know
was obtained illegally to the media... is as unethical as it gets. Personally I think there should be a higher price for doing something illegal
than for being a slimeball politician.Even if the person who bugged
the campaign was a rogue agent... If Democrats knew the recording was illegal,
and then releasing the results of the illegal survailance to the media... they
should pay a price and ABSOLUTELY NOT get an advantage from it.If
the Democrats get an advantage from conducting illegal surveilance...
there's no justice.
To "LDS Liberal" actually what you hear is that Republicans have
standards and when they break them they pay the price. Democrats have no
standards, therefore they can do whatever they want because no standard has been
broken.The bigger question here is why does a stupid comment make
the bigger headline than a poltician who breaks the law?
Quite frankly, one is most releived after reading quotes from the tape, that
person, be it man or woman, is NOT running for office!
Here is the crux people need to learn about the reality of todays world - there
is no privacy. Your actions may be recorded at any time, in any circumstances.
Period.And the end result of that, I actually have no problem with.
It is going to result in people having to be the same person in private that
they are in public. You will not be able to be two people.... pretend to be
nice, but behind closed doors, say vicious things about your neighbors and
"friends".I am sorry, it is just going to force people to
behave as they should. I used to joke with my kids that I was allowed say
things about other drivers on the road if the windows were up, because what is
said in the car stays in the car. We all know this is silliness.... and I
work hard to be more consistent.But we use the "private
life" excuse too much. A man that cheats on his wife in private, will also
cheat on others in other ways. Consistency in character - there is real value
there.People's spots don't change...
@UtahBlueDevilThis is absurd. Of course people should consistently
be the same person whether they're in public or not. However, I appreciate
the right I have to privacy. I don't share every thought and feeling I have
on an open forum, but I do share many of them with my wife and close, trusted
friends. That doesn't mean I have two personas, it means I'm
emotionally healthy. EVERYONE should be able to reasonably expect privacy.
SWP - You may appreciate the right to privacy, but you are foolish to believe
that right extends far beyond your own porch. And in particular, your silly to
believe that anyone has the right to privacy in public locations - even offices.
Every time you move, your cell phone is capturing your location. If you have
cable, everything watch is being collected - and sold.But what I
really resent is the cowardice of many. If you think I am a jerk, and go around
telling people behind my back I am a jerk, have the decency and courage to call
me a jerk to my face. If you have problem with someone - you deal with them
about the problem.This idea that people feel morally ok about
trashing someone else's reputation without giving them the opportunity to
defend themselves shows a true lack of morals. More people have been hurt by
gossip and story telling then have ever been hurt violently - and the damage
usually last far longer.What ever happened to the old saying that
"if you don't have anything nice to say - just shut up" ( ok, I
took liberties with the last part)