I preferred Senator Bennet's health care plan to Obamacare. But if I
remember correctly, the plan was vehemently opposed by most of his own party.
Senator Bennett may have forgotten why the Medicare Advantage plan was dumped,
but those of us who have looked at the reasons know that the plan was a give
away to the health insurance industry. It was a move to privatize medicare that
failed because it was not cost effective. The health insurers made good profits
with it, but it provided few additional benefits and ramped up premium costs.
Health care costs are skyrocketing. And have been for many years.Medicare is a huge problem going forward. Healthcare costs and future
viability of Medicare are closely tied.Because of that, SOMETHING
must be done to get our rising healthcare costs under control.Only
the uninformed or staunchly partisan can deny that.I am not a huge
fan of Obamacare, but we need to do something.If only our elected
officials would sit down in earnest together to tackle the issue. If only they
would put politics aside and work on solutions.Unfortunately,
politics today means bashing the other side. It's primary goal is to
insure party control. The best plan in the world would be panned by the other
side.Until we get past that mentality, nothing positive will ever
happen.This comment will be followed, not by those looking for
solutions, but whose primary goal is to bash the other side. Just like our
And yet Senator Bennett prior to Obamacare health care costs soared, millions
didn't have coverage, and medicare marched down it's path to being
broke and unworkable...and what did the Republicans do..nothing, absolutely
nothing. In addition what would have happened if Obamacare had been
"throughly debated"..it too wold have died, just look at gun regulation
now. No Obamacare is far from perfect but it has moved the needle and started
the work to health care reform.
Both sides have touted combating medicare waste, fraud and abuse.They agree on something. Hallelujah!So, why dont they work
together on this ONE THING. Start there. Baby steps.Work on Waste,
fraud and abuse without injecting partisan issues.Hey, at least its
a start. And a rare agreement.
JoeBlow. Medicare is not the "huge problem going forward" although,
like every bill payer, it does have a problem going forward. Health care costs
are rising because the health care providers (hospitals, Medical device
companies, drug companies< are not responsive to market forces.You might want to read a recent article in Time Magazine "Why Medical
Bills are Killing Us" March 6 2013. In point of fact Medicare has been more
effective than private insurers in holding down medical costs. In summary,
heath care in this country is a "sellers market" Consumers in a
sellers market can rarely shop for the cost effective health care. Find out what
a "chargemaster" is and how it relates to Hospital costs. Find out how
medical equipment suppliers are gaming the system, and how hospitals are able to
charge ridiculous amounts for low cost mundane items.
Why are healthcare cost rising? Because you get what you pay for! Yes there is
inflation but remember we have the most advanced healthcare in the world, best
pharmaceuticals, the best trained doctors in the world and the best medical
technology. If you want 3rd world medicine, well it will certainly be cheaper
but you will get exactly what you pay for it. Ask yourself why a drug company is
able to research, develop and market highly advanced medicines. The answer is
because our medical system (capitalism) rewards them for doing so (profits).
While some complain about high profits of medical devices and drugs, look at the
fantastic return we are getting on our investments! Socialized medicine will
remove the incentive for forward progress in medicine and will stop or at least
retard future medical advancements. The largest cost of Obamacare will be
limited advancements in medicine because it removes the incentive for
investments and advancements. Why would anyone invest capitol if they know they
will never get a return on it?
Overhauling the U.S. healthcare delivery system was always going to be a
tremendous undertaking. Obamacare was developed over many months, in
committees. Republican governors have shown they are willing to disenfranchise
voters in their own states so why should anyone believe they aren't above
playing politics with this issue? Premiums will go up for some,
particularly those in the individual market. But as was explained during the
development and passage phase, people in the individual market will get better
coverage--not the junk policies with high premiums and high deductibles that are
all too common.Drs. aren't quitting due to Obamacare. Dealing
with multiple different insurance companies and multiple different plans within
each insurance company is a major headache for healthcare providers. The
Republican's idea to allow people to purchase policies from other states
was merely going to add to the complexity. Sebelius is very
capable. There are going to be glitches and likely changes needed down the road
but change we must. It seems to be working ok in Massachusetts. It would be
better if all the governors were cooperative.
"Because you get what you pay for!"If only that were true.
Your post is full of misinformation.Now, if I had a very rare
disease, then YES. Absolutely I would want to be in the US.We do
have the most advanced medicine. Case in point. I had a routine,
outpatient surgical procedure. I was in the hospital for a total of 4 hours. I
was in the operating room for a total of 15 minutes. I laid around for 2+ hours
waiting then over an hour in recovery sleeping.The bill came to
$26,000 (before insurance adjusted it). That did not include the surgeon or the
anesthesiologist. Did I get what I paid for? Then you
write "The largest cost of Obamacare will be limited advancements in
medicine because it removes the incentive for investments and
advancements."Care to explain? We keep hearing that health care
cost will go up (and I agree). So, how are we removing the "incentive for
investment and advancements"?Unless costs are dropping, where
does the incentive go?Mike in Cedar.My thoughts are because
people get roughly 3 times what they pay in. It can only get worse.
Obamacare is not what the people of America wanted and expected from President
Obama. And it doesn’t seem to be what some of the businessmen in Heath
care wanted either. However some people seem to like it. Only thing is, the
people who like it are not the people who profit from the Health Care scam. If Obamacare was compared to the tax law in a poll, my guess is that
more people hate the unfair tax law than the unfair Obamacare. And there would
be a shift in the supporters versus the people in opposition. The
real problem is both cases is that the laws were created by businessmen for
businessmen. Only in the case of Obamacare two sets of businessmen are pitted
against each other.
@ Joe Blow. Then you should have gone to a "cheap" doctor! That way you
would have gotten exactly what you paid for. There is no such thing as
inexpensive AND excellent medicine! It doesn't exist and even Obamacare
will not change that fact.
Obamacare does absolutely nothing to address the EVER RISING healthcare delivery
costs.Pharmaceuticals/medical device manufacturers can raise their
prices to whatever they want.Hospitals/clinics can raise their
prices to whatever they want. Doctors aren't limited much regarding
"market forces" either.Insurance companies will just keep
passing on those costs until, at some point healthcare expenses equal greater
than 50% of the family budget.What we need is a thorough examination
of WHY we're having to pay ridiculous amounts of $$$.For
instance: why can't I go to an independent lab, have my throat swabbed for
strep, then if positive, go to the pharmacy and get a cheap prescription? Or,
why can't a RN write a "prescription" for an innocuous medication
like antibiotics?We ALL think we should have "cadillac"
medicine, but we all think someone/anyone else should pay for it. Basically, forces outside our control manage every aspect of the system EXCEPT
the price.Obamacare doesn't even pretend to change that, it
just takes "money from the left pocket, instead of taking it from the right
Republicans have no right to complain about Obamacare. It is, in its most
significant aspects, a Republican program. Why do we have it? Because the
Republicans would not allow us to have a single-payer system patterned after any
of 20 in the world that provide quality care for all citizens at half the cost
of ours. They want some market-based program that would exclude half the
population and allow the insurance industry and large health-care providers to
soak in as much profit as possible. So, Bob, don't complain. We now have a
Republican health-care system. If we really want to control costs, we need to
follow the lead of the rest of the civilized world. Or maybe I shouldn't
use the word "rest," because I'm not sure we're part of the
civilized world. Our positions on health care and gun control put that
proposition in question.
I just know our present system doesn't work very well. Senator Bennett and
his republican friends had years to fix it and didn't. I'd prefer a
single payer system, or a public option.
Single Payer, Single Payer, Single Payer
One more important point (in my opinion) about Obamacare. When someone goes to
the emergency room, they can not be turned away even if they can not pay. These
costs are then passed on to "paying patients" by increased medical
services they receive, hence, $10 aspirin tablets, etc. It was said by some that
Obamacare would prevent these pass along cost of the uninsured from emergency
room visits. What is not clear to me is that how Obamacare would change any of
that. When I heard that Obamacare would decrease healthcare cost, I knew it was
"When someone goes to the emergency room, they can not be turned away even
if they can not pay"Yup. The concept being that you cant turn
away a dying patient. Not a bad concept.Passed by Reagan with a GOP
senate and a DEM house. I agree mtnman. Business will find a way
to outsmart government to insure that they will make more profits. Not that is
really all that tough to do. Businessmen are smarter and our system allows them
to contribute money (I call it bribery) to those who make the laws.
Yes, it has many problems. Mostly, it stopped far short of the creation of the
single payer system we so need.
Bennett's claim that Republican governors are not delaying ACA is totally
disingenuous. Of course they're delaying it! Everybody knows it and so does
Bennett. Meanwhile United Healthcare just raised my premium by 30 percent this
year while its CEO walks off with $101 million payout. What do you think of
that, Bob Bennett? Would you agree that is obscene or not?
America has the best health care in the world, if you can afford it. For those
who can't take two aspirin and have your family call the Doctor in
Obamacare has failed (and will continue to fail) to achieve its stated
objectives. It treats the symptoms instead of the problems.Insurance
companies were never the problem. In the five years prior to Obamacare, the
health insurance industry earned ~4% profit (look it up). In most industries,
that would be an indicator to shut down the operation in favor of something more
profitable.The primary problems were (and still are):1)
Government policy/regulation, and2) Refusal to enact tort reform.The person who paid $26K for minor outpatient surgery may not realize that a
very large portion of his cost was protection against him suing the doctor, the
hospital, or the candy-striper if he thought something wasn't perfect.
(Perfection is a pretty tough standard.)He may not realize that
another large part of his bill was to cover documentation (required by
government agencies), licenses and fees, legal paperwork, and other non-value
added regulatory costs imposed by a government who knows virtually nothing about
the practice of medicine.I'm still dumbfounded that some people
are eager to hand the problem to the source of the problem and expect them to
Re:Joe5Read Time magazine's "Why Medical Bills are Killing
Us" and then lets have a conversation.Drs. Pay their own
malpractice insurance--not the hospital (though they too have insurance). When
you get a bill from the hospital it does not include the bill for the Drs.
services. Two of my sons had surgery last year, luckily both had
health insurance.Son A had an emergency appendectomy on a weekend.
Spent one night in the hospital. Hospital bill (not including surgeon, ER Dr.
or radiologist bills) was $40,000.Son B had jaw surgery, at a
different hospital than Son A. Total time in the hospital, 4-5 hrs. Cost:
$40,000 (not including drs. fees)There appears to be little rhyme or
reason for what we are charged for services. Locally here:A
doctor is suing the medical group that fired him last year, the defendants,
Heritage Provider Network, fired him for approving needed care to patients and
for “his refusal to participate in an unlawful scheme to compromise
patient care for profits.”
Costs will be a problem in any system in which the consumer believes that the
bill is being paid by someone other than himself.
So the GOP's health care reform in the 90s is rife with problems?
What do you expect from a 2500+ page bill that never was vetted or discussed in
public? It is a hodgepodge of conflicting ideas, promises, regulations and many
unproven premises that few have ever read. It is like a 12 headed dragon that
cannot move because none of the heads can send clear signals to the legs.
Unless repealed and we start over it will financially bankrupt us and tie up the
SCUS for at least 50 years.
Mike in Cedar,You criticize medicare advantage as a giveaway to private
insurance. SO IS OBAMACARE!!joeblow, pragmatist,Obamacare does
NOTHING to control costs.Truthseeker,Quoting Time magazine
says you are not seeking truth.
That's hard to believe. Why would a governor deliberately do something
wrong for his state just to hurt a politician who can't run again?If he is to avoid bipartisan demands for a major overhaul of his
"signature achievement," President Obama has a lot of work to do in the
next nine months.Hmnn. You answered your own question, didn't
you Senator? Not so hard to believe.
You hate Obamacare, but voted for Mitt Romney anyway?Interesting.BTW - agreed,Obamacare won't be good until
we have a Single-Payer system and NO profiting Insurance Companies brokering the
From the perpsective of a socialist, Obamacare has no greater critic than me -
Obama should have advocated medicare for all. But he would have lost that one
in large part because of politicians like Bennett. Senator, you had ample
opportunity to fix the health care mess. You and your fellow Republicans did
nothing, nothing, nothing. Reading your comments was pure torture for me.
My biggest problem with "Repeal" is no alternative has ever been
proposed. Give me a better idea and Ill be more than happy to go along
Obama didn't come up with "Obamacare", our dysfunctional Congress
did. They can't get a budget together or get the DOD to explain what
happened to 2 trillion dollars. We need to first get the lobbyists
out of washington and make their bribery illegal and only then we might expect
some good decisions from Congress.