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Ohio school says Jesus portrait will be taken down

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  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Very sad.
    Those same groups who oppose this portrait would fight to the death to keep smutty books in the library.
    Tolerance and open-mindedness are just catchphrases to the left.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 3, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    This is an excellent example of liberal free speech! All others must be shouted down, silenced and eliminated! Sort of reminds one of the Nazis doesn't it?

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    April 3, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    This is great news. The democratic republic of the United States of America was founded as a secular nation. Freedom loving americans should be thrilled to see the constituion upheld in instances like this. Long live the secular democratic republic of the United States of America.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    April 3, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    I revere Jesus as my savior, teacher and the son of God. In my house the scriptures and his portrait are welcome. However, there is a distinction between the privacy of my home and the halls of a public school.

    If the same school were to have a wall of great men through out history of humankind, Jesus should have a well deserved place among Plato, Zoroaster, Mohhammed, Leonardo Da Vinci, ALexander the Great, Cicero, etc. etc.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    April 3, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    The Nazis didn't need a court, lawyers or a constitution to act. They just did what they wanted, usually in a violent way. Comparing this situation to anything from that era is just another attempt to label the other side of a controversy in the worst possible light. BTW, judging from his punctuation, M-man is the one doing the shouting.

  • JaeDL West Valley City, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    The ACLU has no opposition. They have money, power, prominence and passion. There is no equivalent on the other side. Unless the religious majority (and yes, the majority of Americans are religious, google it), but unless they coalesce around an opposing union, then the minority will continue to determine policy and practice in the US. All evil needs to win is for the good people to do nothing. We stand idly by and watch the fabric of our society crumble.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 3, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    "This is an excellent example of liberal free speech!"

    Is this another one?

    Google Santa fe Independent School district vs Jane Doe.

    "The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that prayer does not belong in public schools, even if students initiate and lead the prayers. "

    "The students, one Mormon and one Catholic, and their mothers were not named in court papers."

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 3, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Yes, the majority of American are religious. So what? No one is stopping you from adhering to your religion. Does it take a picture of Jesus in your school to keep you on the righteous path? Do you forget about Jesus (and God) that easily if you do not see a picture of him? Read Baccus' post: I do not believe Baccus is struggling with their beliefs because of this issue.

  • jttheawesome Scranton, PA
    April 3, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    I hope and pray that an attorney will make the choice to work for free, and fight this ludicrous lawsuit. The ACLU should be called the "Anti Civil Liberties Union" because they are chipping away at all of our rights. They want absolute equality for absolutely everything and everybody. They want to erase all traces of Christian religion from American history, and pretend that God and the Bible had no influence at all on the founding of this nation and its earlier years under constitutional law, Christianity being the one and only religion they hate. If there were a picture of Mohammed up there, or a Star of David, there wouldn't be a peep from anyone. But a cross or a picture of Christ? Forget about it.

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    April 3, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    Good for them!!

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 3, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    @Bob A. Bohey

    This is NEITHER a secular or non-secular nation.

    It is nation that is a constitutional republic founded for the reasons stated in the Declaration of Independence.

    If a local community wants a picture Jesus in THEIR school there is nothing unconstitutional about it.

    There are many depictions in art of Religious figures and writings in federal buildings. The founding fathers who wrote the constitution had no problem with it.

    It is very obviously not unconstitutional.

    More importantly, a local school is NOT a federal building, nor any type building of government,

    but a public service payed for by the local community.

    but if it were federal or government, as I have shown, it matters not.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 3, 2013 7:00 p.m.

    the truth, Are you saying there is no federal funding to that local school?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    @the truth;

    Sorry, but as long as there are people of other or no religion attending the school the picture shouldn't be displayed. School is not a religion class, save it for church.

  • nanato12 Spanish Fork, UT
    April 3, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    Hey Bob-I hate to tell you that this nation was not created as a secular nation. If you read anything about the founding fathers, you know that this was a religious based group and they relied on the inspiration of God to help develop the Declaration and Constitution. I can't figure our where you get the idea that this nation is secular. Read your history-starting with the book John Adams, by McCullough.

    We are allowed and encouraged to worship, or at least that was the idea. The ACLU wants no God any where. That is why our country is going downhill so fast.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    April 4, 2013 3:09 a.m.

    @ nanato12: The religiousity of the Founding Fathers is not the same thing as a national religion. We have no national religion and the First Amendment guarantees there will be no national religion - this makes us a secular nation.

    (There is a difference between a secular nation and a nation of secularists.)

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 4, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    the first amendment says congress shall pass no laws concerning the establishment of religion. By requiring the picture be removed, the district IS passing a rule concerning the establishment of religion. So this action is clearly unconstitutional.

  • Whos Life RU Living? Ogden, UT
    April 4, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    To lost in DC

    "By requiring the picture be removed, the district IS passing a rule concerning the establishment of religion."

    How?

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    April 4, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    @ lost in DC: Huh? How does not having a picture of Jesus in a public school interfere with your ability to establish a religion and worship according to the dictates of your conscience?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 4, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    Why is this so hard to understand?

    Unless a school is willing to allow any and all religious symbols and/or pictures, it HAS to be favoring one religion over another.

    Isn't it just easier to allow none? I thought schools were for learning and churches were for religion.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 4, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    It's called seperation of Church and State. More people need to stop cleaning their guns and read more than just the 2nd amendment.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 4, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Let's not say anything negative of gay marriage, or have portraits of Christ on walls.

    Is this the transformation of our country?

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    April 4, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    RE: the truth - Simply put you are incorrect.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    April 4, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    @Maudine;

    The answer is very simple: without their icons (pictures of Jesus) and idols, they are unable to worship.

  • rpcasey001 Dallas, TX
    April 4, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Obama, his supporters (liberals and special interests), and people with low moral character (non-Christians) are taking this country to its knees.

  • rpcasey001 Dallas, TX
    April 4, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    For the "real" Christians out there... Keep in mind anything with MSN, MSNBC, NBC, Bill Gates, or the like is liberal and very secular. There should be no surprise that most of the comments on here are from lost, disenfranchised people.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 4, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Environmentalism is a religion of it's own.

    If we're to take down portraits of Christ, then we do away with the philosophies of saving the earth.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 4, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Whose life, Maudine,
    If you say NO to something, you are establishing a rule concerning it. You are establishing NO as your rule.

    HS Fan,
    The constitution does NOT say “separation of church and state”. It says congress shall pass no law concerning the establishment of religion. By saying NO, the district is establishing a rule concerning religion.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 4, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    @Bob A. Bohey

    Simply put, I am correct.

    @Ranch

    Who uses a local building is irreleveant.

    @xscribe

    Federal funding should not matter, but you have demonstrated the evil of letting the federal government into local concerns. Do we want federal control over local schools? How much federal control do want over your life?

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    April 5, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Which religion is being favored! Is it Christanity? Sorry folks, but that is a philosophy. A religion is Catholic, Baptist, LDS, etc, etc,etc.

  • Whos Life RU Living? Ogden, UT
    April 5, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    lost in DC,

    "It says congress shall pass no law concerning the establishment of religion. By saying NO, the district is establishing a rule concerning religion."

    If NO is not a correct answer to "congress shall pass no law concerning religion," what would fit into the parameters of this law? If a public school is ran by a zealous Islamic principal, would it be ok for him/her to start placing their religious idols around the school?
    Would you be defending their right to do so as you are doing for chrisianity?

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    April 5, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Article title: "Ohio school says Jesus portrait will be taken down"

    And the persecution of Christians continues.....

    How long, Lord, how long?

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    April 5, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    RPcasey001: Wow, anyone who is not a Christian has a low moral character? I'll take my non-Christian moral character over your egotistically embellished Christain character anytime!

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    April 6, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    I have pictures of Muhammad, Gandhi, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, etc. in my history classroom. They fit nicely alongside Einstein, Plato, President Obama and Beethoven.

    Anyone got any complaints?

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    April 6, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    Another victory for the first amendment.

    Kudos to all involved.

    Let freedom ring!

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    April 6, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    The founding fathers did not want a Church of the United States. Remember they came from England which had the Church of England. Quit spatting about the constitution if you don't understand what it means. The settlers of this country were looking for many things including religious freedom. I for one believe that the moral decay of this country (violence, drugs, etc) comes from us seperating ourselves from God.

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    April 7, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Would not this nation and the world be much beter if all people lived the gospel of Jesus Christ and kept the Commandments of God? The willful Paradoxical removal of the Ten Commandments from public courts is a surety that if these commandments had been adhered to by all -there would be little need for courts, lawyers, judges, prisons, law suits, death penalties, broken men and women, and families. In ones opinion this is a darkening nation.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    April 7, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    It is pure leftwing bullying. Obama and his cohorts have excelled in destroying values many of us hold dear using political correctness and threatened lawsuits. The total hypocrisy of the ACLU which would go to great lengths to allow a 12-15 year old girl girl birth control without parents consent: sue for removal of a portrait of Jesus.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 7, 2013 7:40 p.m.

    This not about religion it is about artwork and freedom of conscience.

    So the left is claiming that seeing artwork will is an act of worship and will convert those who view it?

    So imagery does influence others?

    IS this not abridgement of free speech when you deciding what artwork is allowable in "public" buildings?

    Who decides what artwork is permissible?

    Are Christians not part of the public, are they not part of "we the people"?

    Are they not allowed to voice their views and opinions in the public square?

    Is "we the people" only for the non-religious?