Many scout leaders expressed frustration at the situations being asked on the
survey because they were leading in the pro-homosexual direction and they felt
unable to fully express their views. (Like the classic 'did you stop
beating your wife, yes or no?' question, where they leave you no good
answer.)It makes me think that an even higher percentage truly
oppose changing the BSA policy regarding sexual orientation. They got frustrated
and didn't complete the survey so they didn't get counted.
'Poll: Support for gay marriage up among Catholics' – By Jillian
Rayfield – Salon – 03/08/13 'A Majority of Young
Republicans Support Gay Marriage' - —By Tim Murphy – Mother
Jones – 03/08/2013 'Poll: New High Of 58 Percent Support
Same-Sex Marriage' – By TOM KLUDT – By Talking Points Memo
– 03/18/13 'Poll: Majority in US back same-sex
marriage' - Live Science – 05/20/2011 And from our own
Deseret news: 'Gallup Poll: Majority of Americans support gay
marriage' - By Elizabeth Stuart - DSNews - 05/20/2011 Later
this poll was attempted to be 'discredited'...by another poll. That
when questioned, could not support their findings. ’Not okay:
‘Deseret News’ uses anti-gay advocate as credible poster’
– By Jeremy Hooper – Good as you – 10/13/2011 Have
an opinion. That is fine. But do not fabricate reasons to claim
someone else, is lying.
'Boy Scout Files Give Glimpse Into 20 Years of Abuse' - By KIRK
JOHNSON - NY Times - 10/18/12 'Officials with the Boy Scouts
fought in the courts for years to prevent the release of the documents —
more than 15,000 pages detailing accusations of abuse against 1,247 scout
leaders between 1965 and 1985, with thousands of victims involved...'
I need to review statistics, but I don't think a survey with an 11 percent
response can be held to be very reliable. Especially when it was sent
specifically to scout leaders.
The real bullying is happening by the homosexual group who seeks to bully a
private entity into accepting their immorality. The threats and attempts at
public humiliation by the homosexual community are a classic example of
bullying! If these people don't like the stance of the Boy Scouts, let
them form, and pay for, their own organization the way they want it. It's
a free country. They are welcome to form their own organization. We don't
want these people preying on our young boys.
Really, only a quarter of all eligible voters voted for Obama. I guess we can
say there is no reliable voters mandate. In statistical sampling because you
didn't sample one hundred percent does not mean your sample is incorrect.
Not all hazards can be eliminated, but we do our best to minimize probability
and opportunity for mischief from whatever the hazards might be. That is why
following the Guide to Safe Scouting and the Youth Protection Plan are so
important. Likewise, the pamphlet inside the Scout Handbook cover entitled
Parents Guide begs for parental involvement in the safety issue.We
don't always succeed, but with regard to Pagens reference to files, we need
to do better at it. The more we involve parents, select leaders of good
character, and abide by the rules, the better off the boys will be.Additionally, the importance of the Adult Leader as a role model cannot be
overemphasized. Every aspect of your life, public or private, will be
scrutinized by these boys and your attitudes, emotions, and actions will have a
far greater impact on them than your words. That is why strong moral and ethical
leaders are so important.JSF, You are correct. A larger sample size
may shrink the confidence interval, but probably will not push the result
outside of the original interval.
I support the ban on LGBT leaders and Scouts and oppose BSA gay policy change.
Why? Because same-sex attraction is risky for Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts). I do
not want my boys of scout age going on overnight camping trips with a Scout
leader who has sexual attraction to boys.
Yes, of course! If survey results don't get the answer you wanted to hear,
just reject the survey results. Maybe appeal to the courts and have the
decision overturned by activist judges. Sure sounds reasonable to me!
Fact:100% of men who have abused boys are either homosexuals or
bisexuals.This is all about Scout Safety.I support the
ban of boys camping with girl scouts.Similarly, I support the ban of
homosexuals on campouts with Boys.
@Chris B --"100% of men who have abused boys are either
homosexuals or bisexuals."No, not actually a fact.
"Pedophilia" is recognized as a disorder not related to "normal"
adult sexual orientations.From a psychology researcher at UC Davis,
Dr. Gregory Herek:"The distinction between a victim's
gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many
child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have
never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults,
either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children –
boys, girls, or children of both sexes. ""For the present
discussion, the important point is that many child molesters cannot be
meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual
sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with
an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based
primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as
fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women. "And remember, the perpetrator of the latest BSA abuse case was a straight
married man.Homosexuality is not the same thing as pedophilia.
@Chuck E Racer: There is a difference between homosexuals and predators.
predators seek out victims. they don't care what sex that victim is.
homosexuals are same sex attracted. just like heterosexuals don't jump on
anything that is of the opposite sex, neither do homosexuals jump on anything
that is the same sex. There are plenty of scout safety measures. As an LDS scout
leader, parents should demand that those safety measures are followed. Two-deep
leadership is just one of the solutions. @Chris B: Quit making stuff