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Letter: How or why are positions held by Republicans considered extreme?

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  • micawber Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2013 5:02 a.m.

    When you say "Trusting and giving the government complete power to dictate all walks of life and acquiescence to socialism is what will cause the demise of our country", you are engaging in the same kind of rhetorical excess you accuse Andrew McDonald of. Most Republicans are not bellicose fear-mongers. Most Democrats don't support giving the government complete power or acquiescence to socialism. And, frankly, suggesting that there is widespread support for complete government control and socialism sounds a little extreme to me.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2013 5:12 a.m.

    How did that 8 years of Bushco sit with ya'? I'm guessing as a proud Republican, George and Dick are without blame. Spending trillions and borrowing hundreds of billions from China was "necessary, right? Our infrastructure could have used a big boost with the trillions wasted during the Bushco Reign of Terror, but that would just be "socialism", right?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    March 28, 2013 6:03 a.m.

    So Andrew McDonald owes Kim Skinner a debt of graditude. While Andrew appartently failed to articulate why he thinks Republicans are extreme, Kim does a good job of illustrating why that is true.

    "Is it extreme to be pro-life" - No. That's why many Democrats are pro-life. And please don't tell me that no Republican has ever had an abortion.

    "to favor agency" unless you're making a chouice about your own body or who you will marry

    "personal accountability" becuase no liberal Democrat ever supported himself

    "the Second Amendment" - Please read Justice Scalia's opinion in District of Columbia vs. Heller

    "voluntary charity" except for giving tax breaks to the already wealthy

    "Is it extreme to oppose government waste" except at the Pentagon

    "fraud and burdensome debt" the debt was tripled during the 80's when who was in the White House?

    And just reading the last paragraph one can see why Andrew thinks Republicans are being "dangerously extreme, mean-spirited, bellicose and of fear-mongering." When Republicans claim their platform is made up of "righteous principles" and Democrat's positions are "socialism" I think we can see where Andrew got his idea.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 28, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    I think the Republican Party should hold onto their views with both hands and never give in but then again I am a democrat.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 28, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    One more poor, gullible soul who has been completely fooled by the GOP.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    March 28, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    When your positions are so far to the right that Reagan looks like a moderate, than yes, you are a little extreme. When you are so far right that Reagan looks like a Liberal, you are very extreme.

    When you think Fox News is a Liberal media source, than yes - you are incredibly extreme.

    Do these things apply to the entirety of the Republican Party? Of course not. And those who disagree with these positions are the ones within the party calling it out for being too extreme - and this letter writer shows the response they receive.

    Yes - part of the Republican Party is very extreme.

    And if you really think everyone who thinks the Republican Party needs to change is a Liberal or a Democrat, not only are you an extreme party, you are also a very small party.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 28, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    Good response ECR..let me just add a couple of little details. If you want to be believe that any abortion is evil then by all means don't have an abortion. However when the law clearly allows for abortions in some circustances, and public opinion supports such a law, to try and inact policies that define a newly fertilized egg as a person is extreme.

    If you believe that private organizations with defined memberships can solve socieities welfare needs, then by all means contribute to your hearts content. However to define the position that society as a whole has a responsibility to all of its members welfare, as forced charity is extreme.

    I could go on but you get the point.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 28, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Extreme is:

    Refusing to raise the debt ceiling--(essentially telling our creditors we aren't going to pay the bill), something that has been routinely done since at least 1940--18 times during Reagan's presidency and 7 times under G.W. Bush.

    Granting personhood to the unborn, 14th amendment rights, and prohibiting abortion in all circumstances.

    Filibustering non-controversial judicial nominations.

    Teaching creationism as a science subject in schools

    Ignoring the vast scientific consensus on climate change.

    Believing U.S. citizens need to be armed to fight against the govt.

    Believing that 47% of Americans who don't owe federal income tax are lazy, n'er-do-wells

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 28, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    I have no idea where we got the idea that the GOP was insensitive, self-serving, and radical...

    "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

    or

    "Corporations are people my friend!"

    or

    "I like being able to fire people."

    or

    "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

    Not to mention all the hateful comments made against women and minorities...

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 28, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    How or why are positions held by Republicans considered extreme?

    Is it extreme to be pro-life,
    [only when it doesn’t allow for rape, incest, health and life of the woman, and viability of the fetus – as the GOP platform now stands.]

    to favor agency, personal accountability,
    [ I’m being forced to pay for Corporate Welfare and Wars I don’t support]

    the Second Amendment and voluntary charity versus forced charity?
    [BackGround Checks are common sense, and do not threaten the 2nd amendment, and General Welfare is not the same as charity.]

    Is it extreme to oppose government waste, fraud and burdensome debt?
    [Get back to me when the GOP has figured out how to pay $3 Trillion wasted in the Middle East]

    BTW – I did a quick search Deseret News search on “Kim Skinner”. It reveals someone who submits letters to the Editor ... dare I say, EXTREMELY often.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 28, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    It is extreme to refer to taxes as "forced charity." Taxes are not charity. They are they way we fund necessary government functions, such as defense, infrastructure, air and water quality, the judicial system, and taking care of the elderly, disabled, and disadvantaged. Because we have been unwilling to tax at a sufficient level to pay for what both parties agree are necessary expenditures, we have growing debt.

    But if Kim Skinner is of the opinion that we should leave all these government functions to "volunteer charity," we will soon have a vulnerable, crumbling, polluted, crime-ridden, and destitute society, because, as been shown by study after study, those who reap the greatest rewards from our economic system are actually the least charitable. Volunteer charity can't even keep up with what government is unable to do.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Because most listen to Limbaugh yell and spit venom daily.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 28, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    More examples of the GOP being extreme...

    The poor, sick and the elderly can all be denied Healthcare due to pre-existing conditions.

    The earth is only 6,000 years old.

    That Blastula is a human being.

    That Corporations are "people".

    Climate Change is Hoax.

    47% of the U.S. population is stereotyped as a bunch of lazy free loaders.

    That the 2nd amendment allows for criminals and the mentally insane to have unlimited access to weapons.

    That Racial Profiling is OK.

    That a woman who is "legitimately raped" has ways of naturally reversing her pregnancy.

    That LGBTs can be categorized as sub-human or sub-citizens.
    [I recall the GOP spending years saying - "Equal Rights, Not Special Rights"? So, what say you now?]

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 28, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    It is funny to see the liberals ranting about their favorite talking points between Repbulicans and Democrats. The fact is that the policies that most of the Republicans that are currently in office have are not that different than the Democrats.

    With most of the comments here it is like watching a Marxist debate a Fabian Socialist about why the Fabian's views are so extreme.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" you realize that liberals/progressives do not advocate for personal responsibility. That is how we ended up with SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and the countless social welfare programs in the first place. Your ilk believe that you shouldn't have to pay the consequences for their mistakes.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    I see most of the posters here come from the Chris Matthews school of tolerance: I.E engage in some prophylactic bigotry and call everyone who disagrees with you a racist/extremist in an attempt to put them on the defensive and hope no one notices your own extremism (i.e. no limitations on abortion in the Democratic platform; stage managing a phony tea party incident in hopes of provoking antagonism, and when it doesn’t happen - call them racist anyhow; spend thousands of dollars to attend a Catholic university so you can claim you are a victim when they don’t pay for your $10 birth control - then claim there is a war on women – to divert attention from your own war on rational thought, etc. etc.)

    Trouble is: Matthews (et al) is a complete absolute total joke

    Gorbechov callign Reagan an extremist - really says more about Gorbechov than Reagan

    The letter writer should be proud of his point; as illustrated by the hysteria it evokes from left-wing "extremists"

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 28, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    OK, writer, so your positions are not extreme or extreem or x-stream. Fine. They're still fraught with nasty consequences. The difference between liberal and conservative is clear: "We're in this together" versus "You're on your own, Pal."

  • Halach Huinic Mapleton, UT
    March 28, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    When I hear the constant tirade of the Republican right against our federal government and against President Obama personally, I wonder how different that is from how Anthony Kuck describes the mental state of his close friend, Jared Loughner?

    "I know he has some crazy thoughts where he ... just believes the government is corrupt, and he has all these assumptions on things, that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. He just seemed to have some kind of ... hate for government."

    Now some may excuse this drumbeat of virulence as righteous indignation. However, to me this is the worrisome side of extremism that I find so threatening.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    March 28, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    I couldn't agree more with the comments of Irony Guy.

    Either everyone matters or no one matters.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    Halach Huinic
    The implication that there was a connection between Jared Loughner and Republicans is Chris Matthewesque EXTREMISM at its most hateful. Follwing the same logic; Any leftist willing to engage in such bigotry deserves to be lumped in with "open minded and tolerant" Charles Manson

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 28, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    It's like reading;
    "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" by American historian Richard J. Hofstadter all over again...

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    March 28, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    @Red Shirt:

    You can say we shouldn't have Social Security, Medicaire and Medicaid. Or, you can say you are not an extremist. You can't say both.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    March 28, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    Republicans can have any views they want.

    They can believe that the moom is made from green cheese. They can believe that a gun in every home will bring peace and prosperity. They can believe that marriage equality is a sin and will harm the marriages of everyone. They can believe that gay people are an abomination and slavery was okay because slaves got free room and board. They can believe that Barack Obama is not an American because he was "born" in Kenya and not in Hawaii while Tea Party darling Ted Cruz was actually born in Canada (not a part of the United States although many assume it is). They can believe that pigs fly and a woman's right to choose is not their right. They can believe that they are better than Democrats and do everything they can to sabotage the president when he/she isn't a Republican. They can work to make the wealthy more wealthy while telling the less wealthy that it is God's will that the wealthy be better off than the moochers and leeches who get Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare.

    It doesn't make them right.

  • Salsero Provo, UT
    March 28, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    Extreme?

    Certainly elements of the Republican Party are extre me in their views. It is not necessary to recount all the examples cited in the above postings. However, it is only required to cite the recent Republican autopsy presented by Republican Chairman Reince Prebius as to the significant problems of the Republican Party in functioning at a national level.

    If the "extreme" elements of the Party continue to make candidates adhere to "extremist" views, then the Party stands to lose any and all future elections. This will extend beyond the presidential races and come to include senate and congressional races as the demographics in the various states change.

    Texas will become a blue state within 10 years. Small states (including Utah) may remain red, but they are insignificant in national elections. National attitudes will sweep the nation forward and as with the views of the 18th and 19th century disappeared, so will the "unique" views of the extremists of the Republican Party. Of course, there will be some who will maintain these antiquated attitudes, but they will sit off to the side in the national discourse as obsolete and irrelevant.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 28, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    To "micawber" I am saying that if liberals believed in personal responsibility that we would not have Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or any other social welfare program.

    The problem with calling somebody an extremist is that it is subjective. From my point of view, I am not an extremist, you are the extremist.

  • Pat Salt Lake , UT
    March 28, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    I tend to agree with the letter writer. If you feel strongly about something, whether Republican or Democrat, why not stand up for your core values and beliefs? There are some things that we just shouldn't compromise on.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 28, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    How Are Republican positions considered extreme?

    --

    For one they consider Social Security (which people have paid into their whole life) to be a government handout.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 28, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    @ci
    Nope no extremism in your post at all, very mainstream America.

  • Halach Huinic Mapleton, UT
    March 29, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Extremism left and right is much the same. Salient in both are fear and hate of the Other and detachment of reality. A sense of peril embodied in the Other lends urgency to a strategy of attack and defeat. Concessions are considered immoral; fraternizing with the enemy traitorous. Trust is limited, and only certain people matter.

    Its popularity in Utah on the far right is profoundly disappointing.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    The only people less savory than republicans are Utah republicans

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 29, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    March 25, 2013
    The Tea Party Boycotts Fox News As ‘Too Liberal’

    Yes --
    6am Thurs Mar 21 - 6 am Sun Mar 24

    All Tea Partiers are sending a 3 day messag to Fox News to "Turn Further Right".

    ==========

    Nothing says "Extreme" is all-capital letters louder than that.

    Fox News is under assault — not by the left, but by far right extremists from the Tea Party — for being too liberal — and they are demanding more Benghazi coverage, and more birthers. Can you say, “Off the rails crazy?”

    “We need Fox to turn right,” said Hjerlied. “We think this is a coverup and Fox is aiding and abetting it. This is the way Hitler started taking over Germany, by managing and manipulating the news media.”

    Consider that last sentence for a moment.

    The Tea Party is now so far to the right they consider Fox News to be like Hitler.

    This is why Republicans will keep loosing, even more.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    March 29, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    "Is it extreme to be pro-life..."

    It's not extreme. But it won't get you votes in an election.

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    March 30, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    Why is it that so many examples of extremism cited in the comments here consist of telling others what they believe, but are often nothing more than a parody of what is really believed? It would be helpful if people engaged in civil conversation to discover what others actually believe and to find areas of agreement.

    Stephen Covey called it "win-win or no deal". Nice concept, but it will always be either "win-lose" or "no deal" until we learn to talk with each other instead of poking each other in the eye. Making another person lose does not make one a winner. It makes us all losers.

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    March 30, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    An error that both sides of the political spectrum make, in my opinion, is they don't view the role of government as being primarily to govern, but rather they view it as a blunt instrument with which to compel others to do as they wish. The Utah State Legislature is sometimes quite notorious in this regard, in that they occasionally pass goofy bills that have little or nothing to do with sound government of the people in their present condition and make-up. I think Obama is making the same mistake; it appears that he wishes not to govern the citizens America but to remake it in his image.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 30, 2013 6:08 p.m.

    Heckling the President in a State of the Union Address to the nation.

    Walking into a JCPenny's with an AR-15 slung over your shoulder and glock at the hip.

    STILL thinking invading a soverign, non-threatening Oil rich country after being lied to by the US President and then finding no weapons of mass destruction was still a GOOD idea.

    That FoxNews is too "Liberal".

    ....

    Face it -- the list of examples of Republicans being Extreme is already Extreme in and of itself.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2013 1:54 a.m.

    Trusting and giving government power to invade Iraq for no reason. Big government going to an unfunded war with blind support is the real problem.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    The cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined with the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy will account for nearly half of the debt the U.S. will owe by 2019.