If politicians aren't behaving as they should then we have only ourselves
to blame. Politicians are like children. They only think as far as their next
gratification event. The election. Write your congressman. Let
him know you don't like his behavior and that you're watching.
The internet has made it very easy to only read or watch "news" that is
heavily and intentionally tilted to support an extreme political position. Evidence-based reality has got to matter more to us than emotionally
satisfying but evidence-poor ideologies, and we've got to be willing to let
go of ideologies that don't survive objective, evidence-based scrutiny.
The GOP is reaching out? They're changing? Could have fooled me. I
haven't seen any change. Same words, same hate, same ridiculous logic, just
coming from different talking heads now.
The real problem the Republican party has isn't their "extremist
principles". Its that the majority of Americans have abandoned their
principles. They have learned its easier to vote for Democrats that work for a
living. It is totally unsustainable and destructive but for now, it wins
An EXCELLENT letter, followed by three excellent comments (so far) and one
that's off the wall. Let's edit that one to make it more accurate.The real problem the Republican party has isn't just their
"extremist principles". Its that the majority of Americans are
intelligent enough to recognize the dishonesty and greed behind the extremism.
They have learned its much better to vote for Democrats who will help Americans
who work for a living that is being pulled downward by powerfully dishonest
corporate special interests that have been able to hijack the GOP. It is totally
unsustainable and destructive and until the GOP wises up, it will continue to
lose elections!There! That's a lot more like the real story.
Mountanman,I have been a lifelong Republican until this last
election. Do you want to know why?ACA (Obamacare).My
wife got cancer in late 2011, it has been taken care of now but Republicans want
to strip her of ever having health insurance again. The ACA makes
it so that insurance companies can't deny coverage to people. Republicans
want to strip that out because the free market should be in charge. Profits
over people. That type of mentality should be discouraged.Republicans only seem to care about corporate profit and not the people. This
is why Republicans are starting to see election problems. Other people are
starting to see like I have been forced to see. There are good
aspects to each party but putting corporate profits above the health and welfare
of the general population is sick and wrong.If Republicans had their
way, Social Security would be gone in 10 years, Medicare would be privatized and
costs increased in 5 years and cancer patients and those with preexisting
conditions would be denied medical insurance.Why are Republicans
wanting to destroy the country by destroying the people? That is what more
people are asking now.
The extreme extremist are here in Utah. More worried about more guns in more
places than less pollution and breathable air.
Mntman said: "Its that the majority of Americans have abandoned their
principles. They have learned its easier to vote for Democrats that work for a
living."Keep believing Man, but I would argue that having
different "principals" is NOT a bad thing. My father was a closet rasist
by insisting that races not intermarry. I never accepted that
"principal" one could argue that I abandoned a traditional
"principal." I prefer to believe that one mans poison is another mans
principal depending on knowledge instead of Tradition.Calling half
of America "Freeloaders" is gunna keep bringing them into the GOP pup
I mourn over how many in my Republican party are so uncompromising on two
particular issues, favoring the rich and attacking public schools. Despite
numerous polls that show they are far to the right of public opinion, they hold
fast. For example, Utahns have consistently said they would accept a tax
increase if it would increase funding for the schools.Unfortunately
Utah politicians know that if they please the voting public they will displease
the caucus delegates, and those caucuses are still dominated by a minority of
John CC, may I ask, Why are you still a Republican?
@ Happy Valley. 47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes and have no skin in
the game. Do you really think they would NOT vote for a Democrat? Really? The
problem facing the Democrats is paying for all their entitlements that buy them
votes! Our grandchildren are nearly tapped out already with the massive debt we
are forcing upon them! Where are you going to get the money? Who is left to bail
you out? Hint: NOBODY can pay your bills!
Publisher Dean Singleton, a major power in the Colorado Republican party,
recently said that the Republican party is dead in Colorado because they have
become too extreme to attract average voters. This has caused Colorado to go
from being a reliably Republican state to being a Democratic state in just a
decade. The Governor, both Senators, and both houses of their legislature are
The fundamental argument of this letter is certifiably wrong.Just a few
days ago the big debate in the DN was how Utah is a one party (Republican)
StateThe majority of governorships and state legislatures in the US are
Republican dominated.The US House of Representative (which is
statistically the most representative body of the US population) is majority
RepublicanTherefore the belief that Republicans are extreme is merely the
letter writer’s histrionics in relationship to his own biasRepublicans lost the presidential election to an incumbent. Beating an
incumbent is difficult (Kerry could not beat Bush) yet Obama was the first
incumbent president to be elected with less popular and electoral votes than the
first time. It was Obama, not Romney, who exploited race, class and gender
warfare (via such hatemongering as a contrived war on women and unsubstantiated
allegations of racism) to cover for his own incompetence. Hate and fear may
have worked for Obama this time, yet attempts to disown reality by accusing
others of worse behavior remain insufferably hypocritical and intolerant in the
@Mountanman – “The real problem the Republican party has isn't
their "extremist principles". Its that the majority of Americans have
abandoned their principles.”Amen, brother. As a fiscal
conservative who also believes in a strong work ethic (as well as good ethics in
general), I just wish there was a party out there that not only believed in
those general principles, but at the same time did not believe:1.Climate change is a hoax.2.The healthcare market works just like
the market for toasters.3. Jefferson was simply wrong on that
“separation of church and state” thing.4.All regulations
are bad.5.That (as a guiding principle) government is always evil
and corporations are always awesome. And by extension…6.That a
corporation = a natural person. And again, by extension…7.Is
in the pocket of big corporations; which results in everything from $100B+
bailouts, to crony capitalism, to turning a blind eye to pollution, etc. etc.
etc…. Just to name a few…
I voted for Barry Goldwater and every conservative Republican since 1964, but
the current extreme politics of the Tea Party, NRA, Eagle Forum, to name a few,
have changed my commitment to the Republican Party. Even some of the comments in
response to this letter attempt to suggest that we need to stand strong against
a wave of value changes. It is this foolish nonsense that has hurt our Party.
The world is changing and the Republican Party needs to catch up. Richard Nixon
stated, "You can solve today's problems with yesterday's
ideas." (Is it safe to use a Nixon quote?). We need new ideas. The
foolishness of signing Grover's pledge, giving Wayne LaPierre a warm
welcome, and parading guns around our State Capital make Utahans look like a
bunch of extremists and pushes all of Utah to the margins in America. If we want
to influence the national agenda of the Republican Party, we need to kick the
extremists like the Tea Party and Eagle Forum to the curb.
Seems like history shows that no matter the government, when the people become
oppressed so far, they rebel and change the government. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if in American we could dodge that truth by a
peaceful rebirth of freedom by simply changing the rules of our economy to fit
the modern world?
The problem is not that the GOP is any more extreme than the Democrats, its just
that the liberal press loves to try and pin the term "right-wing
extremist" to any conservative.There are a large number of
liberal posters on this forum who do the same thing every day. Point out
conservative values and label them extreme. Tell the lie enough times and
eventually people start to believe it.Obama and his cabinet picks
are radical leftists and their policies are about as extreme as they come, but
you never hear the "left-wing extremist" label attached to them in any
news stories from the main stream press.BTW... there are a number of
liberal posters on this forum to have several screen names and log in using them
to "like" the comments they posted under their other screen names...to
give the impression that radical left wing thought is very popular even here in
JoeCap -- hogwash. Did you know that it's not possible to sign in on
DN's comment board more than once? So your argument that some
"liberals" log in multiple times just doesn't wash.The
real problem with "conservative values" is that far too many of them ARE
After loosing 2 national Presidential elections in a row, the Republican
Party has outlined a 'plan to attract minorities.'It's called "Operation Pretend We Like'em." ~ Jay Leno
As a life long conservative it saddens me to accept the fact that the Republican
Party has lost America's next voting generation and have the extreme right
to thank for it! McConell's " Obama a one term President" is going
to haunt the Repubs. for eight years of Obama and eight years of H. Clinton.
Unfortunately I am to old to hope to think I will be around to see if the
conservatives will realize center and compromise is not evil, and likewise for
@JoeCapitalist2 – “Point out conservative values and label them
extreme. Tell the lie enough times and eventually people start to believe
“Obama and his cabinet picks are radical leftists and their policies are
about as extreme as they come…”Oh, the irony is rich
today… just wish I didn’t have a mouthful of milk when I read this.
@one old manHogwashThe DN allows multiple screen names with
one email address (although most of us do not have multiple names) and it is
also very easy to get multiple email addresses to have even more screen names
(which I don’t do either) The more 'the little leftist
who cries extremist' screeches allegations of racism or ‘war on
women’ or homophobe, toward anyone who merely blinks - the less
credibility they have. Being called an extremist by many people on these
threads is more a badge of honor than an insult. After all; Gorbachev had
little credibility calling Reagan a radical.
Mman:"47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes and have no
skin in the game. Do you really think they would NOT vote for a
Democrat?"You've tried this ridiculous argument before. The
answer is YES. Most of the low-income states, the ones that take more from the
federal government than they pay in taxes, vote Republican. Why? Can't for
the life of me understand it. And Utah leads the pack. Tens of thousands of
Utahns fall under the 47% umbrella. They don't pay income tax, but they
voted for Romney.Andrew:Excellent letter.
I always find it incredible, how liberals always see the extremism of the right
but give the left extremists a passand vice versa. The policies of the current
left wing administration are going to financially ruin our nation. It is plain
to see they do not care a whit about the debt. Their plan is to run up the debt
and then cause hyper inflation to reduce the value of that debt.Why anyone
would malign themselves with a political ideology is beyond me, I think both
sides are extreme.
@SteveD -- I do see extremism on the left, but Obama and the current
administration are not examples of that. You can tell an extremist on the right
when they think Obama's center or somewhat left of center actions are far
left. That's why most people think far right tea party types are nuts.
@WonderYou can tell an extremist on the left when they complain about the
tea party, whose rallies and comments were extreme only in their civility and
cleaning up their own garbage after rallies; particularly in comparison to any
typical left wing rally (from G8 protests to Code Pink) that are marred by
violence and physical destruction; or the inane and abusive behavior of Occupy
Wall Street that left broken windows, sexual assault and garbage dumps in their
wake; or the lying of left wing zealots like Chris Matthews who label everyone
with a different opinion as being racist.An extremist is a person like
Nancy Pelosi or the CBC who walks through a tea party rally hoping to provoke a
response - then when they don’t get it- they completely fabricate
something, in order to play victim, in order to passive/aggressively vilify
their opponents.Being called an extremist by ‘the little
leftists who cried victim’ is completely laughableObama is the
most dangerous form of extreme, as evidenced by exit polls that indicated people
voted for him personally, but reject most of his policies: AKA the charismatic
To "Andrew McDonald" you are wrong, the problem with the GOP are the
Progressives that are running it and are implementing liberal policies that are
just not as big as the Democrat policies. If the GOP wants to fix itself they
need to stop trying to out Democrat the Democrats.To "Makid"
you are wrong. If you wife has been determined to be uninsurable and you
can't get private insurance, Utah has a program designed to provide
affordable insurance to people in your condition. The ACA is going to raise
rates anywhere from 40% to 116% over current rates over the next few years.To "Tyler D" it is true, the liberals and especially those in
the press label anybody right of their positions as extremists. The truth is
that the use of the term extremists is only done for sensationalism and the
stigma. Look at liberals. 30 years ago their current public positions were
unheard of outside of hardcore socialists and communists. Now they are common.
So, if conservatives are maintaining the same positions as 30 years ago, and the
left is more left, who has moved?
Counter Intelligence,How is Obama extreme left? He has pushed
Republican ideas since he was elected. ACA (Obamacare) is a
Republican plan. Single payer would have been a left plan and many wanted him
to go with it but he said it was better to push a plan that Republicans created.
It passed.Immigration Reform - The plan that he has outlined is a
Republican plan.Gun Control - The plan he has pushed with limiting
assault rifles and doing background checks is a Republican plan.The
only left leaning plan that he has pushed is asking for either tax increases or
closing of tax loop holes in exchange for entitlement reform.If that
is what a Left leaning President is like, I would hate to see what a fully right
leaning President is like. Oh wait, we have heard about it in the last debate -
More unfunded wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, tax increases for those making
less than 200K a year, cuts to all social "entitlement" programs and an
increase in defense spending greater than the cuts.How would that be
better? Why is compromise wrong? Why is it wrong to protect all citizens and
not just the rich?
Redshirt1701,You might want to check into that.There is
no policy nor option that will provide health insurance to someone who has been
denied health insurance unless it is required by the Federal Government as it
forces a private company to change their policies.Now, if the
Republicans stated that they wanted to repeal the ACA but leave in place the
protections for those with preexisting conditions, that might return some
voters. But to do a complete scrapping of the services is wrong.To
force someone to pay $5,000 for a simple service that insurance would cover 100%
is wrong. Yet, this is what you and other Republicans are wanting while at the
same time saying it is wrong for the top 1% to lose a tax deduction for a
private plane.Lastly,Conservatives have moved to the
right of their positions. Each time the Left moves to compromise, the Right
moves further right saying just a little bit more.The Country is
center Right. Yet, if you are to be believed, we would be center Left with all
of Obama's changes and policies. Obama took us back to center Right.
Tells you how far Right we were.
I'm neither a Republican or Democrat. I've never joined any political
party.But, after reading this letter I'm reminded of just how
out of touch with reality I think most Democrats are. Particularly as they
trend more liberal.Note that I didn't say out of touch with
society. I agree with the author that society is trending away from the
principles that are the foundation of the Republican party, such as respect for
basic principles of financial responsibility and personal property, traditional
marriage and family life, respect for life itself )as in an abhorrence of
abortion), respect for constitutional guarantees of individual freedoms of
thought, religion, speech, etc., etc.However, there are so many
growing negative societal trends that it seems terribly short sighted to worry
about what effects they may have on prospects of any political party, even
though they may favor empowering the Democrats.So, while
society's trend away from Republican values may mean fewer Republicans in
government, the much more troubling implication is what it means for society.
Nothing good that I can see.
@Wonder,Anyone that thinks Obama is center, is a left wing radical. He is
the most liberal president we have ever had and not only is the right shifting
further right, but the left is shifting further left and the dichotomy of the
political arena is widening. MeAn while regular folks are not given any
attention by either party. As any reasonable person knows, IT IS ALL ABOUT THE
MONEY and regular people don't have any to pay off the politicians.
"untenable and uncompromising positions of far-right Republicans on the
likes of immigration,"In fairness they've moved pretty far
to the left on immigration since the election.
@Mountanman"47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes and have no
skin in the game. Do you really think they would NOT vote for a Democrat?
"The state with the highest percentage of 47%ers (in terms of %
of state population) is the solid red state of Mississippi. Seniors are a large
proportion of the 47%ers, a democratic also known as "the Republican
"47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes and have no skin in the game.
"nonsense. Mitt Romney pays no federal income tax but has
plenty of "skin in the game"..Many others are retired, but
certainly have "skin in the game"many people pay payroll
taxes. They DO have "skin in the game"How many large family
Utahans work their tails off but do not pay income tax.I hope the
GOP drops your line of thinking. I want a viable GOP. Your views make them
@SteveD:After WWII, our debt as a percentage of GDP was a lot higher
than it is now. We "paid it down" with highly progressive tax rates
(over 90 percent top marginal rate) and allowing the natural inflationary
tendencies of capitalism to "grow" the economy. As a consequence, even
though our total debt increased, as a percentage of GDP it dropped to below 30
percent (from a high of over 120 percent). It began to rise again under Reagan.
The real danger is not that we are spending like drunken sailors.
Spending is not really outside historical norms. Before the 2008 crash, spending
was actually lower than in the 1970s and 80s. The Great Recession demanded
increased government spending to avoid slipping into depression. The problem is
that during recent economic expansionary times, we did stupid things like
cutting taxes, starting two wars, and implementing an unfunded prescription drug
program. The only reason why our debt might become a crisis is if we refuse to
pay for it by taxing enough when the economy resumes its tendency to expand.
To "Makid" you are too easy to prove wrong again.From the
SelectHealth website, which administers the program:"Utah’s Comprehensive Health Insurance Pool (HIPUtah) is
specifically designed to provide health coverage for people with serious medical
conditions. HIPUtah also serves as the state’s Health Insurance
Portability and Accountability Act alternative, which is required by the Federal
government. "From the Utah Insurance Department:"In 1991, the state established the Utah Comprehensive Health Insurance
Pool (HIPUtah) to specifically address the problem of people with serious
medical conditions, such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and other chronic
illnesses, that made them unable to obtain health insurance at any price"Ok, so according to the administrators and the state, there has been a
Federall Mandated program for people in your situation since 1991.Why do we need to force private companies to do what the the Feds have already
forced the states to do?
SteveDNorth Salt Lake, UT@Wonder,Anyone that thinks Obama is
center, is a left wing radical. He is the most liberal president we have ever
had...========== No, I'd reckon Abraham
Lincoln was further left, and far more Liberal.Empowering Federal
Government right's over the State's rights,Believing ALL men
were created equal - to the point of configating a man's Master's
"property", and setting them Free, pulling the econimc rug
out right out from under Business's cheap labor force, Plunging
further into debt to re-build the South and stimulate the national economy --
even AFTER they tried to sucede from the Union, and such...What a Bleeding Heart.Makes Pres. Obama look like Barry Goldwater.
But RedShirt, in order to qualify for the Utah program, one cannot have much in
the way of income. May not own a business. In short, the only people who can
qualify for Utah's program are people who have been driven down so far that
they have lost virtually everything and declared bankruptcy.That's wonderful, isn't it?
To "one old man" again you are wrong. I know people on the program that
are firmly middleclass and can't get insurance elsewhere.
@Redshirt1701 – “So, if conservatives are maintaining the same
positions as 30 years ago, and the left is more left, who has moved?”Are you actually serious here or is this a brilliant satire in the
finest tradition of Poe’s Law? If the later, keep up the good work…
‘cause really, I can’t tell.Here are the facts (i.e.,
evidenced based analysis).Nixon (the leading right-winger of his
day) did two things that would label him a communist by Reps today – he
started the EPA (because, yes, corporations actually were wrecking the
environment for profit… funny that), and he proposed healthcare
legislation that was to the LEFT of Obamacare (it was essentially Obamacare with
a public option). To the Liberals everlasting discredit, Ted
Kennedy killed it because it was “too right-wing.” These are just two (of many) examples of how the Republicans have moved
further right over the last 30 years, and after the election of our first black
president, have gone totally off the rails.
re:MakidSorry about your wife - hope she beats cancer. As far as
Obamacare being the answer to your prayers... you might want to think again or
at least do some research. The price of having ANY insurance is sky rocketing
because of Obamacare. Insurance rates across the nation are quickly becoming
unfordable because of Obamacare. Then what?? Also - small business's are
having to lay off or get slammed with the mandated regulations and costs of
Obamacare. Today a bakery had to reduce it's staff from 100 to below 50 to
avoid getting hit with Obamacare's insane costs which will put them out of
business. Having to cut half of their work force will probably seal their doom
as well not to mention the poor souls who are going to get layed off. The GOP
wanted to introduce common sense solutions for health insurance most of which
would have lowered the cost to you and me dramatically. Again - do your
research!! I agree with you that insurance companies shouldn't deny
coverage for pre-existing conditions like your wife had but providing incentives
- not mandates is the way to achieve that. Soon - none of us will have
All I can say to this article is just take a long hard look at Greece, France ,
Italy , Cyprus and other socialist countries. Go ahead and call those who want
to return to the US constitution extreme - I suspect you would call our founders
extreme as well and you would be more than cozy with the socialist insanity in
France right now which wants a 75% income tax. America is splitting apart and I
suspect a line will soon be drawn in the sand by those who don't want to
become Europe. Socialism and Capitalism are polar opposites and it is no
surprise to hear all the hysteric chants from the socialist left about
'extremism'. Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio are all part of the new
GOP and the face of what remains of Capitalism and our free republic in
congress....as well as common sense.
Unfortunately, merit in the Republican argument is easily obscured amidst so
much of it that is seemingly a flawed rationalization of circumstances seen
darkly through a lens of fear and hate.
tell me which is 'more extreme'A. Balancing the Federal
Budget in 10 yearsB. A 75% income taxGuess which one is
being proposed by a socialist and which one by a capitalist. Which one would you
want your kids to grow up in?? I understand this is painfully
obvious but it continues to mystify me how many Americans forget what freedom is
all about and are attracted instead to the shiny red waxed apple of socialism
...only to take a bite and find out that it is completely rotten inside.
"What is to be made of the national consensus that the Republican right is
dangerously extreme?"You want extreme? Here's what's
extreme... and what got the Democrats into the White House this year: Support
for abortion on demand, amnesty for illegals, same sex marriage, and free
contraceptives... exactly what Republicans are adamantly against.
The GOP was never extreme.The GOP is never extreme.The
GOP will never be extreme.The GOP was always perfect.The
GOP is always perfect.The GOP will always be perfect.There...all better.
@Makid:"The only left leaning plan that he has pushed is asking for
either tax increases or closing of tax loop holes in exchange for entitlement
reform."There's more...Pushing (1) abortion on
demand, (2) amnesty and citizenship for illegal immigrants, (3) legalizing
marijuana, (4) same-sex marriage, (5) free contraception, (6) run-up of the
national debt, (7) giving stuff away to buy votes.
patriot@patriot, "tell me which is 'more
extreme'A. Balancing the Federal Budget in 10 yearsB. A 75% income taxGuess which one is being proposed by a
socialist and which one by a capitalist. Which one would you want your kids to
grow up in??"The 75% income tax is something proposed in France.
It's been shot down by their highest court. There's no serious
proposal to do something similar here. Unless you're a very wealthy French
patriot, I don't see that it has anything to do with political extremism in
the US.A balancd budget in 10 years would be nice. A budget surplus
in 10 years would be even better. I suspect that you're referencing the
latest Paul Ryan plan, which eliminates the *debt* in 10 years. That'd be
even better than a balanced budget. But it's not going to happen because
the plan for doing so is extreme in impact. Most people realize that it's
taken us decades to dig ourselves into a hole, and it's going to take
decades to dig our way out. Ryan's plan isn't serious, it's just
his way of stirring up the extremists.
@atl134. Nice try but completely false. California, New York and Massachusetts
have far more welfare recipients and people who pay no income taxes than
Mississippi and the later has a balanced budget while the pervious are running
into bankruptcy problems. You know it and I know it, so, at least be honest with
wrz, since this is my last post on this topic, I chose yours to respond to.1. Upholding something the Supreme Court ruled legal is not a Left
ideal. Otherwise pushing for anything constitutional would be a Left ideal.2. This was originally Reagan's idea to get them out of the shadows
Even Bush II pushed hard for it. Are they Left Liberals now?3. Never
pushed by Obama and readily talked about by presidents for 30 years as a way to
decrease prison over population (Even Republican presidents).4. Pushing
for equality in everything used to be a Republican ideal. Sad that Republicans
are trying to deny rights of others now isn't it. What would Lincoln
say?5. Used to be Republican idea. They even went as far as pushing
forced sterilization of mentally disabled and wanted to limit the poor and those
on welfare to 1 child to limit welfare outlays.6. Unlike Republicans,
because no Republican would ever run up the debt for unneeded wars.7.
Free phones was started under Bush. Tax rebates, Bush. Tax credits, Reagan,
Bush I, Bush II. What exactly has Obama given away that is any different than
So it's not extremism to give the federal government all the power and the
citizens table scraps? Most authoritarian democrats have been taught to enjoy
their servitude.? It's not extremist to promote racial divison
through their race baiting puppets like Al sharpton and Jessie Jackson.?I'm not fan of the Republican party but the Democrats are just as
extreme I think.
@Makid:"Upholding something the Supreme Court ruled legal is not a
Left ideal."Sometimes Courts err. In any even, Repubs consider
it immoral... and it is. How could anyone even consider dispatching an
unborn?"This was originally Reagan's idea..."Reagan erred. In his day there were 1.5 million to deal with. Now
there's 20 million, mostly stemming from Reagan's amnesty action.
Obama has now bought in."Never pushed by Obama..."'Yeah, but certainly used by him (and worse)... which makes him
sympathetic (and his using-supporters knew it)."Pushing for
equality in everything used to be a Republican ideal."Stop
equivocating."What would Lincoln say?"Marry
someone of the opposite sex."Used to be Republican idea."Not freebees. Repubs are too tight."...and those on
welfare to 1 child to limit welfare outlays."Should'a been
'no child.'"Unlike Republicans, because no Republican
would ever run up the debt for unneeded wars."BO could'a
stopped the wars four years ago. Ask yourself 'why didn't
he?'"Free phones was started under Bush. Tax rebates,
Bush."We know... it's all Bush's fault."What exactly has Obama given away...?"Obamacare.
re:Res NovaeFirst off I know the 75% tax is in France - I
didn't say it was the US only that is was being proposed by a socialist
president. And by the way, the 75% tax fight isn't over. Most expect
France's president to continue the push for the 75% tax. Secondly you say a
balanced budget would take decades huh? Well guess what - WE DON'T HAVE
DECADES! I wish those of you on the left would consider ... just for a moment
fundamental economics and understand a $17 trillion debt ..soon to be $20
trillion.. is NOT sustainable here in the US and will take the US to the same
frightening place Greece, France, Cyprus and others find themselves in now and
soon!! You re-call your socialist president Obama back in 2008 making his debt
comments then about Bush's debt which at that time was 9 trillion. We are
at 17 trillion now. Go back and read what Barack said then... calling Bush
'unpatriotic and dangerous' because of that debt. Obama well knows
what the debt will do to the US economy but his aim is to collapse capitalism
first then rebuilt into a socialist model.
Mountainman---you wrote, "It's easier to vote for Democrats
"that" work for a living." Freudian slip. I think you meant to say
"than" but, you were actually right (and "right" in the good way
for once). The Democrats and the poorer people of this nation are the hardest
working folks we have. The poor do work that would send most of us to therapy
after a week, and the Democrats worked to show Mr. Romney to the nation and the
world and win an election for Mr. Obama! That's the kind of "work"
I think we can all respect!
The fundamental argument of the letter writer, that Republicans are
"extreme", is morally akin to Chris Matthews labeling everyone who
disagrees with him as being racist.It is a prophylactic bigotry
designed to put opponents on the defense while diverting attention from their
own moral vapidity.And in other news: Gorbechov calls Reagan an
extremist: Al Sharpton calls Allen West an uncle Tom: etc. etc. etc.
the world evolves. Times change. Belief in fairytales and legend lose their
luster, and are replaced with scientific evidence and logic. The difference
between republicans and democrats, Is that one is stuck in the world of make
believe, and one embraces science!