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  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    March 22, 2013 6:55 a.m.

    If politicians aren't behaving as they should then we have only ourselves to blame. Politicians are like children. They only think as far as their next gratification event. The election.

    Write your congressman. Let him know you don't like his behavior and that you're watching.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    The internet has made it very easy to only read or watch "news" that is heavily and intentionally tilted to support an extreme political position.

    Evidence-based reality has got to matter more to us than emotionally satisfying but evidence-poor ideologies, and we've got to be willing to let go of ideologies that don't survive objective, evidence-based scrutiny.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 22, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    The GOP is reaching out? They're changing? Could have fooled me. I haven't seen any change. Same words, same hate, same ridiculous logic, just coming from different talking heads now.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 22, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    The real problem the Republican party has isn't their "extremist principles". Its that the majority of Americans have abandoned their principles. They have learned its easier to vote for Democrats that work for a living. It is totally unsustainable and destructive but for now, it wins elections!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 22, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    An EXCELLENT letter, followed by three excellent comments (so far) and one that's off the wall. Let's edit that one to make it more accurate.

    The real problem the Republican party has isn't just their "extremist principles". Its that the majority of Americans are intelligent enough to recognize the dishonesty and greed behind the extremism. They have learned its much better to vote for Democrats who will help Americans who work for a living that is being pulled downward by powerfully dishonest corporate special interests that have been able to hijack the GOP. It is totally unsustainable and destructive and until the GOP wises up, it will continue to lose elections!

    There! That's a lot more like the real story.

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    March 22, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    Mountanman,

    I have been a lifelong Republican until this last election. Do you want to know why?

    ACA (Obamacare).

    My wife got cancer in late 2011, it has been taken care of now but Republicans want to strip her of ever having health insurance again.

    The ACA makes it so that insurance companies can't deny coverage to people. Republicans want to strip that out because the free market should be in charge. Profits over people. That type of mentality should be discouraged.

    Republicans only seem to care about corporate profit and not the people. This is why Republicans are starting to see election problems. Other people are starting to see like I have been forced to see.

    There are good aspects to each party but putting corporate profits above the health and welfare of the general population is sick and wrong.

    If Republicans had their way, Social Security would be gone in 10 years, Medicare would be privatized and costs increased in 5 years and cancer patients and those with preexisting conditions would be denied medical insurance.

    Why are Republicans wanting to destroy the country by destroying the people? That is what more people are asking now.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    The extreme extremist are here in Utah. More worried about more guns in more places than less pollution and breathable air.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 22, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    Mntman said: "Its that the majority of Americans have abandoned their principles. They have learned its easier to vote for Democrats that work for a living."

    Keep believing Man, but I would argue that having different "principals" is NOT a bad thing. My father was a closet rasist by insisting that races not intermarry. I never accepted that "principal" one could argue that I abandoned a traditional "principal." I prefer to believe that one mans poison is another mans principal depending on knowledge instead of Tradition.

    Calling half of America "Freeloaders" is gunna keep bringing them into the GOP pup tent.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    March 22, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    I mourn over how many in my Republican party are so uncompromising on two particular issues, favoring the rich and attacking public schools. Despite numerous polls that show they are far to the right of public opinion, they hold fast. For example, Utahns have consistently said they would accept a tax increase if it would increase funding for the schools.

    Unfortunately Utah politicians know that if they please the voting public they will displease the caucus delegates, and those caucuses are still dominated by a minority of extremists.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 22, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    John CC, may I ask, Why are you still a Republican?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 22, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    @ Happy Valley. 47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes and have no skin in the game. Do you really think they would NOT vote for a Democrat? Really? The problem facing the Democrats is paying for all their entitlements that buy them votes! Our grandchildren are nearly tapped out already with the massive debt we are forcing upon them! Where are you going to get the money? Who is left to bail you out? Hint: NOBODY can pay your bills!

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 22, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    Publisher Dean Singleton, a major power in the Colorado Republican party, recently said that the Republican party is dead in Colorado because they have become too extreme to attract average voters. This has caused Colorado to go from being a reliably Republican state to being a Democratic state in just a decade. The Governor, both Senators, and both houses of their legislature are now Democratic.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    The fundamental argument of this letter is certifiably wrong.
    Just a few days ago the big debate in the DN was how Utah is a one party (Republican) State
    The majority of governorships and state legislatures in the US are Republican dominated.
    The US House of Representative (which is statistically the most representative body of the US population) is majority Republican
    Therefore the belief that Republicans are extreme is merely the letter writer’s histrionics in relationship to his own bias
    Republicans lost the presidential election to an incumbent. Beating an incumbent is difficult (Kerry could not beat Bush) yet Obama was the first incumbent president to be elected with less popular and electoral votes than the first time. It was Obama, not Romney, who exploited race, class and gender warfare (via such hatemongering as a contrived war on women and unsubstantiated allegations of racism) to cover for his own incompetence. Hate and fear may have worked for Obama this time, yet attempts to disown reality by accusing others of worse behavior remain insufferably hypocritical and intolerant in the extreme.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    March 22, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    @Mountanman – “The real problem the Republican party has isn't their "extremist principles". Its that the majority of Americans have abandoned their principles.”

    Amen, brother. As a fiscal conservative who also believes in a strong work ethic (as well as good ethics in general), I just wish there was a party out there that not only believed in those general principles, but at the same time did not believe:

    1.Climate change is a hoax.

    2.The healthcare market works just like the market for toasters.

    3. Jefferson was simply wrong on that “separation of church and state” thing.

    4.All regulations are bad.

    5.That (as a guiding principle) government is always evil and corporations are always awesome. And by extension…

    6.That a corporation = a natural person. And again, by extension…

    7.Is in the pocket of big corporations; which results in everything from $100B+ bailouts, to crony capitalism, to turning a blind eye to pollution, etc. etc. etc….

    Just to name a few…

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    March 22, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    I voted for Barry Goldwater and every conservative Republican since 1964, but the current extreme politics of the Tea Party, NRA, Eagle Forum, to name a few, have changed my commitment to the Republican Party. Even some of the comments in response to this letter attempt to suggest that we need to stand strong against a wave of value changes. It is this foolish nonsense that has hurt our Party. The world is changing and the Republican Party needs to catch up. Richard Nixon stated, "You can solve today's problems with yesterday's ideas." (Is it safe to use a Nixon quote?). We need new ideas. The foolishness of signing Grover's pledge, giving Wayne LaPierre a warm welcome, and parading guns around our State Capital make Utahans look like a bunch of extremists and pushes all of Utah to the margins in America. If we want to influence the national agenda of the Republican Party, we need to kick the extremists like the Tea Party and Eagle Forum to the curb.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 22, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Seems like history shows that no matter the government, when the people become oppressed so far, they rebel and change the government.

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if in American we could dodge that truth by a peaceful rebirth of freedom by simply changing the rules of our economy to fit the modern world?

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    March 22, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    The problem is not that the GOP is any more extreme than the Democrats, its just that the liberal press loves to try and pin the term "right-wing extremist" to any conservative.

    There are a large number of liberal posters on this forum who do the same thing every day. Point out conservative values and label them extreme. Tell the lie enough times and eventually people start to believe it.

    Obama and his cabinet picks are radical leftists and their policies are about as extreme as they come, but you never hear the "left-wing extremist" label attached to them in any news stories from the main stream press.

    BTW... there are a number of liberal posters on this forum to have several screen names and log in using them to "like" the comments they posted under their other screen names...to give the impression that radical left wing thought is very popular even here in Utah.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 22, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    JoeCap -- hogwash. Did you know that it's not possible to sign in on DN's comment board more than once? So your argument that some "liberals" log in multiple times just doesn't wash.

    The real problem with "conservative values" is that far too many of them ARE extreme.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 22, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    After loosing 2 national Presidential elections in a row,
    the Republican Party has outlined a 'plan to attract minorities.'

    It's called "Operation Pretend We Like'em." ~ Jay Leno

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    March 22, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    As a life long conservative it saddens me to accept the fact that the Republican Party has lost America's next voting generation and have the extreme right to thank for it! McConell's " Obama a one term President" is going to haunt the Repubs. for eight years of Obama and eight years of H. Clinton. Unfortunately I am to old to hope to think I will be around to see if the conservatives will realize center and compromise is not evil, and likewise for the left!

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    March 22, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    @JoeCapitalist2 – “Point out conservative values and label them extreme. Tell the lie enough times and eventually people start to believe it.”

    Then…

    @JoeCapitalist2 – “Obama and his cabinet picks are radical leftists and their policies are about as extreme as they come…”

    Oh, the irony is rich today… just wish I didn’t have a mouthful of milk when I read this.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    @one old man
    Hogwash

    The DN allows multiple screen names with one email address (although most of us do not have multiple names) and it is also very easy to get multiple email addresses to have even more screen names (which I don’t do either)

    The more 'the little leftist who cries extremist' screeches allegations of racism or ‘war on women’ or homophobe, toward anyone who merely blinks - the less credibility they have. Being called an extremist by many people on these threads is more a badge of honor than an insult. After all; Gorbachev had little credibility calling Reagan a radical.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 22, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Mman:

    "47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes and have no skin in the game. Do you really think they would NOT vote for a Democrat?"

    You've tried this ridiculous argument before. The answer is YES. Most of the low-income states, the ones that take more from the federal government than they pay in taxes, vote Republican. Why? Can't for the life of me understand it. And Utah leads the pack. Tens of thousands of Utahns fall under the 47% umbrella. They don't pay income tax, but they voted for Romney.

    Andrew:

    Excellent letter.

  • SteveD North Salt Lake, UT
    March 22, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    I always find it incredible, how liberals always see the extremism of the right but give the left extremists a passand vice versa. The policies of the current left wing administration are going to financially ruin our nation. It is plain to see they do not care a whit about the debt. Their plan is to run up the debt and then cause hyper inflation to reduce the value of that debt.
    Why anyone would malign themselves with a political ideology is beyond me, I think both sides are extreme.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    March 22, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    @SteveD -- I do see extremism on the left, but Obama and the current administration are not examples of that. You can tell an extremist on the right when they think Obama's center or somewhat left of center actions are far left. That's why most people think far right tea party types are nuts.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    @Wonder
    You can tell an extremist on the left when they complain about the tea party, whose rallies and comments were extreme only in their civility and cleaning up their own garbage after rallies; particularly in comparison to any typical left wing rally (from G8 protests to Code Pink) that are marred by violence and physical destruction; or the inane and abusive behavior of Occupy Wall Street that left broken windows, sexual assault and garbage dumps in their wake; or the lying of left wing zealots like Chris Matthews who label everyone with a different opinion as being racist.
    An extremist is a person like Nancy Pelosi or the CBC who walks through a tea party rally hoping to provoke a response - then when they don’t get it- they completely fabricate something, in order to play victim, in order to passive/aggressively vilify their opponents.

    Being called an extremist by ‘the little leftists who cried victim’ is completely laughable

    Obama is the most dangerous form of extreme, as evidenced by exit polls that indicated people voted for him personally, but reject most of his policies: AKA the charismatic extremist

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    March 22, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    To "Andrew McDonald" you are wrong, the problem with the GOP are the Progressives that are running it and are implementing liberal policies that are just not as big as the Democrat policies. If the GOP wants to fix itself they need to stop trying to out Democrat the Democrats.

    To "Makid" you are wrong. If you wife has been determined to be uninsurable and you can't get private insurance, Utah has a program designed to provide affordable insurance to people in your condition. The ACA is going to raise rates anywhere from 40% to 116% over current rates over the next few years.

    To "Tyler D" it is true, the liberals and especially those in the press label anybody right of their positions as extremists. The truth is that the use of the term extremists is only done for sensationalism and the stigma. Look at liberals. 30 years ago their current public positions were unheard of outside of hardcore socialists and communists. Now they are common. So, if conservatives are maintaining the same positions as 30 years ago, and the left is more left, who has moved?

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    March 22, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence,

    How is Obama extreme left? He has pushed Republican ideas since he was elected.

    ACA (Obamacare) is a Republican plan. Single payer would have been a left plan and many wanted him to go with it but he said it was better to push a plan that Republicans created. It passed.

    Immigration Reform - The plan that he has outlined is a Republican plan.

    Gun Control - The plan he has pushed with limiting assault rifles and doing background checks is a Republican plan.

    The only left leaning plan that he has pushed is asking for either tax increases or closing of tax loop holes in exchange for entitlement reform.

    If that is what a Left leaning President is like, I would hate to see what a fully right leaning President is like. Oh wait, we have heard about it in the last debate - More unfunded wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, tax increases for those making less than 200K a year, cuts to all social "entitlement" programs and an increase in defense spending greater than the cuts.

    How would that be better? Why is compromise wrong? Why is it wrong to protect all citizens and not just the rich?

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    March 22, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Redshirt1701,

    You might want to check into that.

    There is no policy nor option that will provide health insurance to someone who has been denied health insurance unless it is required by the Federal Government as it forces a private company to change their policies.

    Now, if the Republicans stated that they wanted to repeal the ACA but leave in place the protections for those with preexisting conditions, that might return some voters. But to do a complete scrapping of the services is wrong.

    To force someone to pay $5,000 for a simple service that insurance would cover 100% is wrong. Yet, this is what you and other Republicans are wanting while at the same time saying it is wrong for the top 1% to lose a tax deduction for a private plane.

    Lastly,

    Conservatives have moved to the right of their positions. Each time the Left moves to compromise, the Right moves further right saying just a little bit more.

    The Country is center Right. Yet, if you are to be believed, we would be center Left with all of Obama's changes and policies. Obama took us back to center Right. Tells you how far Right we were.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    I'm neither a Republican or Democrat. I've never joined any political party.

    But, after reading this letter I'm reminded of just how out of touch with reality I think most Democrats are. Particularly as they trend more liberal.

    Note that I didn't say out of touch with society. I agree with the author that society is trending away from the principles that are the foundation of the Republican party, such as respect for basic principles of financial responsibility and personal property, traditional marriage and family life, respect for life itself )as in an abhorrence of abortion), respect for constitutional guarantees of individual freedoms of thought, religion, speech, etc., etc.

    However, there are so many growing negative societal trends that it seems terribly short sighted to worry about what effects they may have on prospects of any political party, even though they may favor empowering the Democrats.

    So, while society's trend away from Republican values may mean fewer Republicans in government, the much more troubling implication is what it means for society. Nothing good that I can see.

  • SteveD North Salt Lake, UT
    March 22, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    @Wonder,
    Anyone that thinks Obama is center, is a left wing radical. He is the most liberal president we have ever had and not only is the right shifting further right, but the left is shifting further left and the dichotomy of the political arena is widening. MeAn while regular folks are not given any attention by either party. As any reasonable person knows, IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and regular people don't have any to pay off the politicians.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    "untenable and uncompromising positions of far-right Republicans on the likes of immigration,"

    In fairness they've moved pretty far to the left on immigration since the election.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    @Mountanman
    "47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes and have no skin in the game. Do you really think they would NOT vote for a Democrat? "

    The state with the highest percentage of 47%ers (in terms of % of state population) is the solid red state of Mississippi. Seniors are a large proportion of the 47%ers, a democratic also known as "the Republican base".

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 22, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    "47% of Americans pay no federal income taxes and have no skin in the game. "

    nonsense. Mitt Romney pays no federal income tax but has plenty of "skin in the game"..

    Many others are retired, but certainly have "skin in the game"

    many people pay payroll taxes. They DO have "skin in the game"

    How many large family Utahans work their tails off but do not pay income tax.

    I hope the GOP drops your line of thinking. I want a viable GOP. Your views make them unelectable.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 22, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    @SteveD:

    After WWII, our debt as a percentage of GDP was a lot higher than it is now. We "paid it down" with highly progressive tax rates (over 90 percent top marginal rate) and allowing the natural inflationary tendencies of capitalism to "grow" the economy. As a consequence, even though our total debt increased, as a percentage of GDP it dropped to below 30 percent (from a high of over 120 percent). It began to rise again under Reagan.

    The real danger is not that we are spending like drunken sailors. Spending is not really outside historical norms. Before the 2008 crash, spending was actually lower than in the 1970s and 80s. The Great Recession demanded increased government spending to avoid slipping into depression. The problem is that during recent economic expansionary times, we did stupid things like cutting taxes, starting two wars, and implementing an unfunded prescription drug program. The only reason why our debt might become a crisis is if we refuse to pay for it by taxing enough when the economy resumes its tendency to expand.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    March 22, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    To "Makid" you are too easy to prove wrong again.

    From the SelectHealth website, which administers the program:

    "Utah’s Comprehensive Health Insurance Pool (HIPUtah) is specifically designed to provide health coverage for people with serious medical conditions. HIPUtah also serves as the state’s Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act alternative, which is required by the Federal government. "

    From the Utah Insurance Department:

    "In 1991, the state established the Utah Comprehensive Health Insurance Pool (HIPUtah) to specifically address the problem of people with serious medical conditions, such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and other chronic illnesses, that made them unable to obtain health insurance at any price"

    Ok, so according to the administrators and the state, there has been a Federall Mandated program for people in your situation since 1991.

    Why do we need to force private companies to do what the the Feds have already forced the states to do?

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    March 22, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    SteveD
    North Salt Lake, UT
    @Wonder,
    Anyone that thinks Obama is center, is a left wing radical. He is the most liberal president we have ever had...

    ==========

    No,
    I'd reckon Abraham Lincoln was further left, and far more Liberal.

    Empowering Federal Government right's over the State's rights,
    Believing ALL men were created equal - to the point of configating a man's Master's "property",
    and setting them Free,
    pulling the econimc rug out right out from under Business's cheap labor force,
    Plunging further into debt to re-build the South and stimulate the national economy -- even AFTER they tried to sucede from the Union,
    and such...

    What a Bleeding Heart.
    Makes Pres. Obama look like Barry Goldwater.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 22, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    But RedShirt, in order to qualify for the Utah program, one cannot have much in the way of income. May not own a business. In short, the only people who can qualify for Utah's program are people who have been driven down so far that they have lost virtually everything and declared bankruptcy.

    That's wonderful, isn't it?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    March 22, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    To "one old man" again you are wrong. I know people on the program that are firmly middleclass and can't get insurance elsewhere.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    March 22, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    @Redshirt1701 – “So, if conservatives are maintaining the same positions as 30 years ago, and the left is more left, who has moved?”

    Are you actually serious here or is this a brilliant satire in the finest tradition of Poe’s Law? If the later, keep up the good work… ‘cause really, I can’t tell.

    Here are the facts (i.e., evidenced based analysis).

    Nixon (the leading right-winger of his day) did two things that would label him a communist by Reps today – he started the EPA (because, yes, corporations actually were wrecking the environment for profit… funny that), and he proposed healthcare legislation that was to the LEFT of Obamacare (it was essentially Obamacare with a public option).

    To the Liberals everlasting discredit, Ted Kennedy killed it because it was “too right-wing.”

    These are just two (of many) examples of how the Republicans have moved further right over the last 30 years, and after the election of our first black president, have gone totally off the rails.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 22, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    re:Makid

    Sorry about your wife - hope she beats cancer. As far as Obamacare being the answer to your prayers... you might want to think again or at least do some research. The price of having ANY insurance is sky rocketing because of Obamacare. Insurance rates across the nation are quickly becoming unfordable because of Obamacare. Then what?? Also - small business's are having to lay off or get slammed with the mandated regulations and costs of Obamacare. Today a bakery had to reduce it's staff from 100 to below 50 to avoid getting hit with Obamacare's insane costs which will put them out of business. Having to cut half of their work force will probably seal their doom as well not to mention the poor souls who are going to get layed off. The GOP wanted to introduce common sense solutions for health insurance most of which would have lowered the cost to you and me dramatically. Again - do your research!! I agree with you that insurance companies shouldn't deny coverage for pre-existing conditions like your wife had but providing incentives - not mandates is the way to achieve that. Soon - none of us will have affordable insurance.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 22, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    All I can say to this article is just take a long hard look at Greece, France , Italy , Cyprus and other socialist countries. Go ahead and call those who want to return to the US constitution extreme - I suspect you would call our founders extreme as well and you would be more than cozy with the socialist insanity in France right now which wants a 75% income tax. America is splitting apart and I suspect a line will soon be drawn in the sand by those who don't want to become Europe. Socialism and Capitalism are polar opposites and it is no surprise to hear all the hysteric chants from the socialist left about 'extremism'. Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio are all part of the new GOP and the face of what remains of Capitalism and our free republic in congress....as well as common sense.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    March 22, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    Unfortunately, merit in the Republican argument is easily obscured amidst so much of it that is seemingly a flawed rationalization of circumstances seen darkly through a lens of fear and hate.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 22, 2013 7:13 p.m.

    tell me which is 'more extreme'

    A. Balancing the Federal Budget in 10 years

    B. A 75% income tax

    Guess which one is being proposed by a socialist and which one by a capitalist. Which one would you want your kids to grow up in??

    I understand this is painfully obvious but it continues to mystify me how many Americans forget what freedom is all about and are attracted instead to the shiny red waxed apple of socialism ...only to take a bite and find out that it is completely rotten inside.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    March 22, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    "What is to be made of the national consensus that the Republican right is dangerously extreme?"

    You want extreme? Here's what's extreme... and what got the Democrats into the White House this year: Support for abortion on demand, amnesty for illegals, same sex marriage, and free contraceptives... exactly what Republicans are adamantly against.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    March 22, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    The GOP was never extreme.

    The GOP is never extreme.

    The GOP will never be extreme.

    The GOP was always perfect.

    The GOP is always perfect.

    The GOP will always be perfect.

    There...all better.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    March 22, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    @Makid:
    "The only left leaning plan that he has pushed is asking for either tax increases or closing of tax loop holes in exchange for entitlement reform."

    There's more...

    Pushing (1) abortion on demand, (2) amnesty and citizenship for illegal immigrants, (3) legalizing marijuana, (4) same-sex marriage, (5) free contraception, (6) run-up of the national debt, (7) giving stuff away to buy votes.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    March 23, 2013 4:47 a.m.

    patriot

    @patriot,

    "tell me which is 'more extreme'

    A. Balancing the Federal Budget in 10 years

    B. A 75% income tax

    Guess which one is being proposed by a socialist and which one by a capitalist. Which one would you want your kids to grow up in??"

    The 75% income tax is something proposed in France. It's been shot down by their highest court. There's no serious proposal to do something similar here. Unless you're a very wealthy French patriot, I don't see that it has anything to do with political extremism in the US.

    A balancd budget in 10 years would be nice. A budget surplus in 10 years would be even better. I suspect that you're referencing the latest Paul Ryan plan, which eliminates the *debt* in 10 years. That'd be even better than a balanced budget. But it's not going to happen because the plan for doing so is extreme in impact. Most people realize that it's taken us decades to dig ourselves into a hole, and it's going to take decades to dig our way out. Ryan's plan isn't serious, it's just his way of stirring up the extremists.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 23, 2013 4:56 a.m.

    @atl134. Nice try but completely false. California, New York and Massachusetts have far more welfare recipients and people who pay no income taxes than Mississippi and the later has a balanced budget while the pervious are running into bankruptcy problems. You know it and I know it, so, at least be honest with yourself.

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    March 23, 2013 6:07 a.m.

    wrz, since this is my last post on this topic, I chose yours to respond to.

    1. Upholding something the Supreme Court ruled legal is not a Left ideal. Otherwise pushing for anything constitutional would be a Left ideal.
    2. This was originally Reagan's idea to get them out of the shadows Even Bush II pushed hard for it. Are they Left Liberals now?
    3. Never pushed by Obama and readily talked about by presidents for 30 years as a way to decrease prison over population (Even Republican presidents).
    4. Pushing for equality in everything used to be a Republican ideal. Sad that Republicans are trying to deny rights of others now isn't it. What would Lincoln say?
    5. Used to be Republican idea. They even went as far as pushing forced sterilization of mentally disabled and wanted to limit the poor and those on welfare to 1 child to limit welfare outlays.
    6. Unlike Republicans, because no Republican would ever run up the debt for unneeded wars.
    7. Free phones was started under Bush. Tax rebates, Bush. Tax credits, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II. What exactly has Obama given away that is any different than Republicans?

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    March 23, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    So it's not extremism to give the federal government all the power and the citizens table scraps? Most authoritarian democrats have been taught to enjoy their servitude.?

    It's not extremist to promote racial divison through their race baiting puppets like Al sharpton and Jessie Jackson.?

    I'm not fan of the Republican party but the Democrats are just as extreme I think.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    March 23, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    @Makid:
    "Upholding something the Supreme Court ruled legal is not a Left ideal."

    Sometimes Courts err. In any even, Repubs consider it immoral... and it is. How could anyone even consider dispatching an unborn?

    "This was originally Reagan's idea..."

    Reagan erred. In his day there were 1.5 million to deal with. Now there's 20 million, mostly stemming from Reagan's amnesty action. Obama has now bought in.

    "Never pushed by Obama..."'

    Yeah, but certainly used by him (and worse)... which makes him sympathetic (and his using-supporters knew it).

    "Pushing for equality in everything used to be a Republican ideal."

    Stop equivocating.

    "What would Lincoln say?"

    Marry someone of the opposite sex.

    "Used to be Republican idea."

    Not freebees. Repubs are too tight.

    "...and those on welfare to 1 child to limit welfare outlays."

    Should'a been 'no child.'

    "Unlike Republicans, because no Republican would ever run up the debt for unneeded wars."

    BO could'a stopped the wars four years ago. Ask yourself 'why didn't he?'

    "Free phones was started under Bush. Tax rebates, Bush."

    We know... it's all Bush's fault.

    "What exactly has Obama given away...?"

    Obamacare.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 24, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    re:Res Novae

    First off I know the 75% tax is in France - I didn't say it was the US only that is was being proposed by a socialist president. And by the way, the 75% tax fight isn't over. Most expect France's president to continue the push for the 75% tax. Secondly you say a balanced budget would take decades huh? Well guess what - WE DON'T HAVE DECADES! I wish those of you on the left would consider ... just for a moment fundamental economics and understand a $17 trillion debt ..soon to be $20 trillion.. is NOT sustainable here in the US and will take the US to the same frightening place Greece, France, Cyprus and others find themselves in now and soon!! You re-call your socialist president Obama back in 2008 making his debt comments then about Bush's debt which at that time was 9 trillion. We are at 17 trillion now. Go back and read what Barack said then... calling Bush 'unpatriotic and dangerous' because of that debt. Obama well knows what the debt will do to the US economy but his aim is to collapse capitalism first then rebuilt into a socialist model.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    March 25, 2013 6:10 a.m.

    Mountainman---you wrote, "It's easier to vote for Democrats "that" work for a living." Freudian slip. I think you meant to say "than" but, you were actually right (and "right" in the good way for once). The Democrats and the poorer people of this nation are the hardest working folks we have. The poor do work that would send most of us to therapy after a week, and the Democrats worked to show Mr. Romney to the nation and the world and win an election for Mr. Obama! That's the kind of "work" I think we can all respect!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    The fundamental argument of the letter writer, that Republicans are "extreme", is morally akin to Chris Matthews labeling everyone who disagrees with him as being racist.

    It is a prophylactic bigotry designed to put opponents on the defense while diverting attention from their own moral vapidity.

    And in other news: Gorbechov calls Reagan an extremist: Al Sharpton calls Allen West an uncle Tom: etc. etc. etc.

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    March 27, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    the world evolves. Times change. Belief in fairytales and legend lose their luster, and are replaced with scientific evidence and logic. The difference between republicans and democrats, Is that one is stuck in the world of make believe, and one embraces science!