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In our opinion: Gov. Gary Herbert, veto HB76 concealed carry law

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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2013 2:29 a.m.

    Please veto, Utah does not need to be the gun capital of the world.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 20, 2013 6:35 a.m.

    If not vetoed, this law wouldn't allow anyone to carry a gun ... who isn't allowed now to have a gun. This law would only affect the law abiding. Restricting the law abiding from keeping and bearing arms, will not make us safer, in fact the opposite is true.

    I recommend the state of Utah put on its website, training videos on the legal use of guns in Utah, along with the rules of gun safety. We all have a responsibility, individually and as a state to help ensure we do this in a legal and safe manner.

    I also recommend that public service announcements advertise these training videos and encourage people to make use of them.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    March 20, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    Re: "Please veto, Utah does not need to be the gun capital of the world."

    Better yet, Governor Herbert, please SIGN the bill.

    Utah, already the spiritual gun capital of the world, because of the immense contributions of the Brownings, should pursue gun manufacturing opportunities now being made untenable in other states and nations, becoming the REAL gun capital of the world.

    This bill is the ideal signal of our hope that common sense, practicality, and decency can be restored to an otherwise deranged political landscape.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 20, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    If Utah is, in fact, the "spiritual gun capital of the world," why does the LDS church ban guns inside its houses of worship?

    A veto of this bill will indeed be the ideal signal of our hope that common sense, practicality, and decency can be restored to an otherwise deranged political landscape.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    March 20, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    I don't always agree with DN editorials. This one,however,is absolutely right. Please, Governor Herbert, veto this silly bill.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 20, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    A good friend who had been living outside of the country for 8 years had his background check for a job take 3 months once they found out what country he had been residing in.

    When he went to purchase a hand gun, his background check consisted of the store taking a photo copy of his drivers license and he walked out the door with his new gun.

    I wish that each person in the state who wanted a gun would get one but only after they had been trained.

    Each person in this country who wants a car can have one if:
    1. they are responsible enough to afford it
    2. become familiar with the laws to make it safe for everyone
    3. get a license
    4. get insurance
    5. behave responsible and properly when operating their vehicle

    Instead of lowering the states standards why not raise them and make it safer for everyone?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 20, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Doug, you are in Utah. Your ideas make way too much good sense.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 20, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Why do so many in UT feel the need to carry a gun? I thought UT had a fairly low crime rate, no?

    Maybe Ut just wants to be in another "top 10" list, along with Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming--"States with the Highest Rate of Death from Firearms."

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    March 20, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    You can't force people to give up their Guns. If you want less Guns, You need to let people have their freedom to choose and when they see the wisdom of giving up their guns of their OWN FREE WILL, they will be all the better for it. I guess I'm not really pro-gun after all. But what I am is pro-free will. Taking guns by force will NEVER work and will always fail. It has to come from the gospel principle of letting people make their own choices and not having the government forcing them to do anything. Government needs to be out of this debate entirely because they are the problem not the solution.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    March 20, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    @ truthseeker;

    The reason is people in Utah (the majority, anyway) respect the governing document for our country (i.e. the Constitution) which clearly states that having firearms is a protected right.

    @ Doug;

    Though I agree that all people who have firearms should be trained, the Constitution guarantees that people have that right. That right should not be infringed, but all across the country that part of the 2nd amendment is ignored.

    I agree with Anti Bush-Obama; let people decide for themselves. As for me and mine, we will keep our firearms. If you'd rather be defenseless and disarm all other law abiding citizens, I pity you and your naivety. Laws and bans have only hindered, not stopped, criminals and their evil actions. So please, don't force all the law-abiding citizens to give up their rights in the false belief that it will somehow change people who are already breaking the law.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 20, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    Last two years 2155 people were denied CC permits because of their background. Without the CC permitting process, we will all be dealing with about 1000 new armed psychos a year. Our legislature has passed the point of being nutty bananas--they are now a public danger.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 20, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    "This bill is the ideal signal of our hope that common sense, practicality, and decency can be restored to an otherwise deranged political landscape."

    Having citizens shop for groceries to ward of crimes that aren't there... that is the image of "sense, practicality, and decency"?

    I have never in my life thought that a gun to be the symbol of decency... but in Utah...

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    March 20, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    To "Doug10" your example is out of date. They do more than what you describe, and if they did only what you describe are breaking the law.

    I wish that you and the liberals out there could explain how making legal purchases harder makes things safer. Will it prevent guns from being sold on the black market? Will it prevent criminals from getting guns? In the real world, criminals will get guns.

    As for this law, how does it make Utah less safe? I can already open carry. The only difference between this and the open carry laws is that I can now wear a jacket over my gun.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    March 20, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    Re: "Each person in this country who wants a car can have one if . . . ."

    NONE of the listed items is required to buy, possess, sell, ride in, or give away a car.

    That's the difference between REAL rationality and every "sensible solution" anti-gun liberals offer. Liberal "solutions" assume you're a deranged serial killer, and make you prove otherwise prior to exercising your Second Amendment rights.

    Imagine the liberal outcry if we assumed everyone entering a crowded theater would yell "fire," making everyone undergo a background check before every movie, with anyone whose background check doesn't prove he would properly exercise First Amendment rights being required to don a gag, muzzle, and handcuffs prior to entering the theater.

    That's every bit as "sensible" a "solution" as sophomoric liberal suggestions that every transfer of a gun requires a pointless, painful background check or that rifle cosmetics and magazine lengths must be strictly limited.

    Note that not a single tragic death liberals love to exploit to advance their deranged "solutions" would have been prevented by them.

  • PDonty Tooele, UT
    March 20, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    "Last two years 2155 people were denied CC permits because of their background. Without the CC permitting process, we will all be dealing with about 1000 new armed psychos a year. Our legislature has passed the point of being nutty bananas--they are now a public danger."

    What's keeping these "1000 new armed psychos" from carrying a gun concealed WITHOUT a permit? Will these hopelessly deranged people NOT carry a gun because they couldn't get the permit? Do criminals get to the door of a bank, see a "No guns allowed" sign, and turn around and leave because of the sign?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    This bill promotes the mentality of needing a weapon to deal with society. These concealed weapons are not for sport, but solely to aim at and kill other people. The permit process stops a lot of impulsive emotional conceal and carry to the ex's house. It may maybe aimed to make a political statement, but will result in a extra gun aimed at someone if passed and more accidental deaths. Police are going to have to assume anyone stopped for traffic matters has a .45.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 20, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    Wow, the Dnews is acting like a real paper all of a sudden. Good job!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 20, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    The media elites charge that this bill "...would sacrifice a measure of public safety" but that it totally false. It is a hypothetical fear, the same one they expressed in 1995 when they oppose allowing people to get permits.

    In reality, criminals do not bother with permits, or any other restrictions on their stealing or carrying a gun or committing crimes.

    Every Utahn who is legally able to possess a firearm can ALREADY carry one legally, as long as it is (a) not concealed) and (b) "unloaded" as defined in Utah law.

    This bill only changes that so that the same law abiding citizen can cover their gun if they choose (or weather demands).

    Public safety is in no way threatened by this bill, and opponents are just wrong, as well as misinformed.

    Governor Herbert should sign this bill!

  • UtahVET1 Sandy, Utah
    March 20, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    One Vote,
    I would think the Police already consider that at every stop, if not they should not be cops. If we really want to protect our children then we should make alcohol and drug related incidents harder on people who are convicted of crimes while under the influence. There are more deaths each year as a result of alcohol and drugs than guns.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    March 20, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    PDonty:

    Being denied a conceal carry permit won't stop every whack job from illegally carrying a gun. But at least it makes it illegal for them to carry, and that will certainly stop some of them.

    How many crimes have we seen carried out with fully automatic machine guns since the 2nd Amendment was curtailed by making machine guns far more restricted? The West Hollywood bank robbery in the late 90s comes to mind, have there been others?

    I don't understand why this is not a daily occurrence. If machine guns are outlawed, shouldn't all the outlaws have machine guns, or something like that? Why has this not worked out that way?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    March 20, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    Re: "The permit process stops a lot of impulsive emotional conceal and carry to the ex's house."

    Yeah, right. Someone emotional enough to pack heat for a trip to see the ex [that's called "premeditation"] is going to be deterred by not having the proper permit.

    We'd all love to see your statistics on that.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    March 20, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil

    How can one know when they will be victim of crime?

    How can one know when a crime will occur around them?

    One doesn't know these things.

    That is why one must be prepared.

    And crimes do not occur where criminals know it is not good place to commit crimes.
    Guns, or the possiblity of guns is a deterrent. Threat of a state punishment is not.

    Stop the infringement. Live with real freedom.

    Infringe = to reduce or limit.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 20, 2013 7:13 p.m.

    " Liberal "solutions" assume you're a deranged serial killer, and make you prove otherwise prior to exercising your Second Amendment rights."

    Do you have a suggestion on how one might stop a deranged serial killer from purchasing a gun?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    March 20, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    Re: "Do you have a suggestion on how one might stop a deranged serial killer from purchasing a gun?"

    Literally nothing can be done to stop a determined killer from getting one of the 300 million or so out there. And even if we did, there are still so many other items out there that can be used as weapons, our illegal banning efforts would have no appreciable effect on the serial murder rate.

    Best thing we can do is make sure we don't deprive those of us who are willing to stand up to him the tools necessary to do so.

  • Big Bubba Herriman, UT
    March 20, 2013 10:55 p.m.

    I agree with the this article. Please veto this bill the way you vetoed that silly sex education bill, governor. After the veto we can start asking what is wrong with our state legislators.

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    March 21, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    Truthseeker
    "Why do so many in UT feel the need to carry a gun? I thought UT had a fairly low crime rate, no?"

    Maybe is low because we CAN carry? I mean, crime is higher where citizens can NOT carry, like Chicago, no?

    one vote
    "This bill promotes the mentality of needing a weapon to deal with society."

    No actually, it promotes the idea that society should look after itself, bad guys have guns, and so, society should, too. Not to mention, this is America, we have the RIGHT to bear arms.

    Irony Guy
    "Last two years 2155 people were denied CC permits because of their background. Without the CC permitting process, we will all be dealing with about 1000 new armed psychos a year."

    Right...because every psycho out there applies for a permit before buying or stealing a gun, and committing atrocities. By the way...they were not all denied for being "psycho", so your numbers are wrong to start with.

    Gov. Herbert, PLEASE sign the bill, you know it is the right thing to do under US law.

  • strjfs PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    March 21, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    I have to take a hunter safety course to get a hunting license in Utah. If I join the military or law enforcement, I have to have extensive training on how to safely handle a firearm. But if I'm a private citizen in Utah, I can carry a gun anywhere with no training or certification whatsoever?!! HB76 is a public safety nightmare. Governor Herbert should veto this reckless bill!