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  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 1:45 a.m.

    Absolutely right. Let them mock; let them call us "gun nuts;" it doesn't matter. We must not relax.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 18, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Gun Nuts, and by all means don't "relax" stay paranoid it helps your cause?

    I own guns and rifles, I just don't bless them before I roll them in the constitution and place them under my pillow.

    I fear to many people have handled lead without washing their hands, how else can you explain the disconnect.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 18, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    SENSIBLE gun laws are not tyranny.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 18, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    First, let's admit we're paranoid. Second, let's invite reasonable people to call us "gun nuts." Third, let's go out and buy as many guns as possible before Obama comes and takes them away. Fourth, let's be real quiet about the fact that 33,000 Americans die each year from gunshot wounds, making the Newtown tragedy look like an insignificant little footnote in history. Fifth, let's be even quieter about the fact that 2/3 of those 33,000 deaths were suicides. This seems like a winning strategy.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    March 18, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    What part of 'well regulated militia' do you not understand?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 18, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    No, Dont relax until there are absolutely NO gun Restrictions.

    Dont relax until we can all carry loaded weapons on planes. And dont relax until those drinking in bars can be armed.

    No, dont relax until you can carry your gun into court or an 18 year old can bring it to high school.

    Keep on top of things until you can own any and every gun you want, and carry it any and every place you would like.

    "Let them mock; let them call us "gun nuts;""

    Ok anti-liar. What of the above is out of line?

    Or, will you scream "shall not be infringed" until the cows come home?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 18, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    Forgive us of "paranoia."

    =======

    You said it, not me.

    BTW - Admitting is the 1st of the 12 steps.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 18, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    The ironic thing is that there is no paranoia on the part of gun owners. There are liberal politicians looking to pull guns out of the hands of legal owners.

    On top of that, liberals forget that there are police chiefs in liberal cities telling their citizens to buy guns to protect themselves because the police can't respond quickly enough.

    Which way is it liberals, your leaders tell us that the people do not need guns for their protection, but the police in your liberal cities tell us otherwise.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Justice Scalia himself even noted that the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean there can't be firearms regulations. What is unconstitutional is a total ban on guns but the vast majority of people (including most republicans and most NRA members) are supporting things like background checks on all gun purchases, and magazine capacity limits.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    It's not like Amendments don't have limits. The 21st legalized alcohol but that sure as heck doesn't mean there can't be limits as this state is particularly fond of passing. The 1st Amendment talks about free speech but death threats aren't allowed, nor is yelling fire in a crowded theatre, or various other forms of speech/expression (we sure as heck don't allow public nudity for instance). There's nothing wrong with reasonable regulations and making it so that criminals can't just go to a gun show and buy whatever they want without having to go through a background check seems pretty reasonable.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 18, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    After Nov 2012 election if anyone doubts we are at war with the "anti-constitution" crowd you haven't been paying attention. Freedom is at stake - your freedom as well as your children's freedom. Barack Obama wants a socialist republic and a new constitution that is not geared toward individual rights but rather a collectivism or rights of the state which amounts to no individual rights. Make NO mistake there will be NO gun ownership in this new socialist state - not for hunting and not for self protection. Open your history book to the old USSR if you want an ugly peak of what Obama and his comrades are up to. The US has fought communism for well over 100 years and this latest surge is probably the most lethal. The lefties will roll their eyes and say this is all scare tactics and I suspect they will continue to say that until the knock comes to their door to take their own guns away. New York's Governor has already said "first registration then confiscation". Better WAKE up people because the enemy is most certainly awake!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 18, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    re:one old man

    define "sensible gun laws". The communist crowd in this country is pushing hard for gun registration which will then be followed by gun confiscation according to New York's Governor. Is that "sensible" in your view? I suspect it makes total sense to any good socialist to have no guns at all. Keep in mind we have a "bill of rights" and a "constitution" for one purpose - to LIMIT the power of the federal government. Do you suppose Barack wants to limit or expand the power of the feds??

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    Just what I need to feel safe out in public - anxious, uptight, paranoid, untrained (if no permit is required) gun-toting private citzens in our midst.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 18, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    The troubl is you've forfeit reason to maintain paranoia.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 18, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    @RedShirt
    USS Enterprise, UT
    "The ironic thing is that there is no paranoia on the part of gun owners. There are liberal politicians looking to pull guns out of the hands of legal owners."

    =========

    The ironic thing is THAT statement.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 18, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    How does eliminating the requirement of obtaining a concealed weapons permit "honor" the second amendment? If anything, it dishonors it. I have no problem with folks wanting to own guns or carry concealed weapons as long as proper background checks have been made and they have obtained proper training.

    I have yet to see or year a legit counter argument to that. If anything, this new legislation hurts safety and freedom. It appears that folks like this letter writer and the NRA prefer the us become a police state where citizens take the law into their own hands and suddenly everyone now must live their paranoid fantasy.

    The funny thing about paranoid people is that they often hurt the lives of others with their paranoid actions.

    Do we really want to take our children to malls with folks carry assault weapons around their backs? Do we really want the untrained and criminal to obtain these weapons sithout background checks or restriction? How many more accidentally will occur?

    Using this letter writer's logic, all laws should be abolished since they restrict our freedom. Lets just let paranoid people with guns govern us!

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    @JoeBlow

    What's "nuts" is thinking that criminals have any regard for gun restrictions. What's "nuts" is disarming law-abiding citizens so that only the criminals are armed. What's "nuts" is thinking that the government can or will protect you. What's "nuts" is denying there are those who would disarm the citizenry and rob them of their liberty if possible. What's "nuts," JoeBlow, is denying history.

    @Open Minded Mormon

    Actually, it is your statement that is ironic, since liberal politicians ARE on record as saying they would disarm law-abiding citizens and strip them of their God-given right if possible.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    March 18, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    Redshirt said The ironic thing is that there is no paranoia on the part of gun owners."

    Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day. Have you read the comments above?

    Kent C. DeForrest "...let's go out and buy as many guns as possible before Obama comes and takes them away" Do you really think the president, himself, will be coming after your gun. Can you give me any example of the president say he would even think of doing that?

    And by the way, the author's claim Lexington and Concord was a battle over gun rights is nonsense created by Sarah Palin in her twisted interpretation of American history.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 18, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    "Barack Obama wants a socialist republic and a new constitution that is not geared toward individual rights but rather a collectivism or rights of the state which amounts to no individual rights"

    Statements that are so out of touch with reality is why the GOP is struggling for viability.

    Have you noticed the stock market performance and record corporate profits in the last 4 years? Obama attempted Socialism is failing miserably.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 18, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    To "ECR" and "Open Minded Mormon" lets review some recent headlines:

    "Minnesota Democrats pushing gun confiscation bill similar to Missouri's" - The Examiner

    "Assemblyman Lists Gun Confiscation Agenda Of NY Democrats" Breitbart

    "Missouri Democrats Introduce Legislation to Confiscate Firearms - Gives Gun Owners 90 Days to Turn in Weapons" Fox News

    "Gun Confiscation Bill Proposed in California: 'We Can Save Lives'" The Blaze

    "Oregon Democrats propose gun confiscation bill requiring warrantless inspections" Examiner

    Seems like your ilk are out to confiscate guns.

    You claim to defend freedom and the constitution, yet ignore the fact that your ilk are seeking to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 18, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    anti-liar. (or any others who want to answer)

    I will make it very simple. Yes or NO Questions

    Should law abiding Americans be allowed to carry loaded weapons on airplanes? Yes or NO

    Should people in a bar who are consuming alcohol be allowed to carry a loaded weapon? Yes or NO

    Should a law abiding 18 year old be allowed to carry a loaded weapon to high school? Yes or NO

    I am guessing that you will dodge these simple questions. Surprise me.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    March 18, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    RealMaverick

    " It appears that folks like this letter writer and the NRA prefer the us become a police state where citizens take the law into their own hands and suddenly everyone now must live their paranoid fantasy."

    Do you even know what a police state even is? What you described is the total opposite of a police state. If the government let people make their own choices on the matter,everyone wouldn't choose evil. For 1 irresponsible gun owner, there are thousands more responsible gun owners.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 18, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    re:JoeBlow

    I notice a pattern with you Joe - side step the entire comment and fall back to the stock market as if to make the absurd assumption that a $17 trillion dept and growing FAST is something that can be sustained. I'm certain you were most likely one of those in 2007 -along with Barney Frank - who claimed how GREAT Fanny and Fredie were doing because after all home ownership was at an all time high.... and then came 2008. OUCH!!! Yes sir - the stock market is going to continue to soar and interest rates will continue to stay low - pay no attention to that gigantic 800 lb gorilla of debt in the corner that Barack claims is no big deal. Hear no evil - see no evil ... right Joe?? Perhaps it would do you good to snap out of your Obamic trance for a moment and do some actual research for a change.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    "liberals forget that there are police chiefs in liberal cities telling their citizens to buy guns to protect themselves because the police can't respond quickly enough."

    RedShirt, can you tell us who these chiefs are? I did a google search and couldn't find any. I did find a lot of police chiefs arguing for gun control.

    "New York's Governor has already said "first registration then confiscation" "

    patriot, is that his actual quote? And can you provide your source for this quote?

    Also, patriot, you make a lot of claims about what President Obama wants to turn this country into. You say he wants to turn this country into some USSR communist utopia. Really? Well he only has a little over three and a half years to go, he better get started if that's his goal shouldn't he? He doesn't have much time left in office.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 18, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Courts opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. [United States v.] Millers holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those in common use at the time finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, D.C. V Heller, 2008

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 19, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    Red Shirt..The Examiner, Breitbart, and Fox News..seriously? Breitbart alone has been caught twice in the last two weeks publishing as news articles from the Onion.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    March 19, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    Anti-liar,

    Please point to the scripture, be it from the Bible, Book of Mormon, Qu'ran, Bhagavad Gītā, or any other form of sacred text or text written as revelation where I can see God or any of his messagers stating, "I give unto man the gun; may it never be taken away from him."

    God doesn't care if you have a gun or not.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 19, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    patriot,

    I was responding to YOUR post about how much a socialist Obama is. Your post said nothing about deficits etc.

    The stock market is certainly a judge of how corporate America is doing. And when business thrives, it is obvious to most that Socialism is not thriving.

    How about this. Dont make a blanket statement that "Obama is a socialist and wants the government to run everything" Get specific. Because guess what?

    When you get specific, I will show you how previous GOP presidents such as Reagan and Bush have done exactly the same things.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 19, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    re:JoeBlow

    The stock market was doing great in 1929 too Joe and then came Oct 29th of that year... the rest is an ugly history of 10 years of depression. My point is this .. BIG DEBT like ours is not sustainable and by itself can and will bring the entire economy down. It has already happened in Europe with other socialist counties like Greece and Spain. What is looming on the horizon ..perhaps 18-24 months... is a credit adjustment due to our insane Obama debt. We have already seen a credit down grade due to our debt and uncertain future and now those that lend to the US may change the rules again... jack up their lending rates .. which will then be passed along to the rest of us. You could see mortgage interest rates spike up sharply perhaps as much as 5 percent in one adjustment. The reason our lenders would jack up the rates is simply because they have no confidence in our long term debt solution and for good reason... we have a president who doesn't think we have a debt problem coupled with the insanity of not wanting a balanced budget.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    March 19, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Patriot,

    The credit rating was not downgraded due to debt. It was downgraded because of fears that our political system believed not cooperating was a sound economic policy. It wasn't Congress or the President who were at fault, it was both, and moreover the American people for voting in "leaders" who fail to see the value in compromise and cooperation.

    At any rate, that all has nothing to do with the article's topic, which is legitimizing the self-described paranoia of some gun owners.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 19, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    Re:Patriot

    FYI
    As recently as 2007, Spain had the euro zone’s fastest growing economy. Spain ran budget surpluses in the years from 2005-2007. Its debt to GDP ratio fell from 50.3 percent in 2000 to 26.5 percent of GDP in 2007. There is no remotely plausibly story of government profligacy here.

    In short, people who describe the euro zone crisis as a story of excessive government deficits are pushing an ideological agenda that has nothing to do with reality. The story of the current deficits of the non-Greece countries is the story of the collapse of housing bubbles that threw the euro zone economies into a severe downturn. The European Central Bank (ECB) has magnified the problem by maintaining relatively tight monetary policy in order to maintain very low inflation and also explicitly asserting that it would not act as a lender of last resort to the heavily indebted countries.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    @patriot
    "We have already seen a credit down grade due to our debt "

    They gave three reasons.
    1. Not enough spending cuts.
    2. Not enough revenues.
    3. Not enough surety that Congress will meet it's debt obligations (interest on debt payments, i.e. uncertainty about the tea party blocking debt ceiling increases).

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 19, 2013 7:14 p.m.

    Patriot -- Communist? Where?

    Except for those imaginary ones who may be hiding in your back yard, I don't think there are very many real ones in America.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    March 20, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    @ Eric Samuelsen:

    You asked:

    What part of 'well regulated militia' do you not understand?

    I respectfully respond by asking:

    What part of 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed' do you not understand?

    These issues are ALWAYS open to debate, depending on your perspective.