Maybe he should have used the money he gave to all his "green" pals
which have promised great things and after taking billions of taxpayer dollars
have gone bankrupt.We are broke, deeply in debt, and cannot pay our
current bills. It is insane to even propose to squander money on nonsense like
this.Anyone who disagrees is welcome to set up their own business to
do this stuff, with their own money, or whatever they can con investors out of,
but not a penny of tax money should be used."The trouble wish
socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to
Obama already tried that: Solyndra, Satcon and about 50 other green energy
federally subsidized failures! In the meantime, gasoline is double the price
that it was under the Bush Administration. If green energy is ever to be
successful, it will be the private sector that will succeed with it, not the
government! All Obama has done is throw more taxpayer money after bad, failure
How dare he think about the future, the gall to believe that we won't be
able to burn oil forever.Doesn't he understand? All the republicans
want to do is wait, and kick that can down the road.The Grumpy Old
Poobahs are dying off, and not being replaced with the head in the sand "Man
has no influence on the environment" Pseudo Cleric/Conservative
principals.According to the Washington Post. Of the 33 companies
that received 1705 loan guarantees, only three have declared bankruptcy.
The amount spent in the department of energy has increased from $24B in 2008 to
$40B in 2012. Which is a 40% increase in 4 years. Compare that to an increase
from $20B in 2001 to the $24B in 2008. A 16% increase. Although wind and solar
energy is a cleaner way to go, it is just not cost effective and the tax payers
cannot afford to subsidize the industry. There have been large increases in
funding to multiple departments which has only contributed to the deficit and is
happy valley,And would those that declared bankruptcy and wasted
millions of taxpayer dollars be in the clean energy industry, perhaps?
Easy way to conserve oil, lower pollution, and reduce spending,----Keep Air
Force One on the ground.
The only energy that could replace oil for all our needs is nuclear for
electricity, and hydrogen for motors. Work on the hydrogen engine and maybe we
will have something. As for solar, unless technology can develope a much more
efficient solar cell, then it will never be practical for car or trucks. Oil
and natural gas, both come from drilling, will continue to be the only way to
run an industrial world. And, do we really need another Solyndra?
The oil will run out. It's better to be prepared rather than stick your
head in the sand and hope it doesn't happen while your still alive.
We could have given away $2 Trillion in alternative fuel R&D and STILL been
ahead of spending for the 12 years of war for Middle Eastern Oil.
What he should be doing is weaning himself off of the taxpayers backs. @worf also hide his golf clubs.
Re: BebyebeSome reports say there is as much as 200 years of known
oil reserves in just our own little country. Oil is no where near running out
in this world. Just the desire to get it. Re: mohokatYou got me to thinking. Maybe we should be happy when Obama is out on the
golf course. That would mean he is spending less time figuring out ways to
spend our money. I think I'll send him some golf balls for his birthday.
A day on the course is probably worth a billion dollars of saved revenue.
@Happy Valley Hereticnice reliance on bigoted stereotypes thereMost conservatives are fine with alternative energy (I enthusiastically
support it)- they just think private industry is best equipped to finance,
develope and profit from it - not an Obama administration with a horrific
financial track record
GOP energy policy -- make up stories and invaded Oil rich Middle
Eastern countries, Drill baby drill,orBurn baby burn.BTW - If you have something new, better, or different than Obama's clean,
renewable, and self reliant energy policies -- Please tell us what they
are.otherwisebe silently content while you keep loosing
election after election.
@m.g.scott Great thinking and right on brother!
Oil will still run out regardless of how many years worth is left.
Re: airnautWould you please tell us just what Obamas "clean,
renewable and self reliant energy policies" are. Because, aside from those
words, I don't know how they translate into keeping up with our energy
needs. And by the way, drilling is the only way to get at the oil and gas that
will be necessary for the forseeable future. What would you have us do in the
meantime while we are developing these so called new energy sources? However I
do agree with you about Middle-East wars. I don't want this country to
have to rely on any of those OPEC countries for our survival. That's why I
want our own sources developed.
"What would you have us do in the meantime while we are developing these so
called new energy sources?"Wean vehicles off of oil which is
what the president is proposing.
The sad thing is that the Oil companies are already investing more into
alternate fuels than the government is.According to the AOL article
"Top Five Oil Company-Backed Renewable Energy Ventures" you have more
money being spent by Exxon, Chevron, BP, and Shell all spend tons more on
renewable fuels. Those companies know that they cannot exist forever on
drilling and are looking for cheaper alternatives.What should be
asked is why is the government looking at competing with private business, or
who is the money going to?
@airnuat"Please tell us what they are"My
hundreds of millions of taxpayer money isn't wasted.Did you
really not understand that?Wow.
Re: BebyebeAgain. How is he going to do that? He says he wants
to, but WHAT is he doing to accomplish that goal? You can say we want to wean
vehicles off of oil, but what fuel do you run them with? And if you say
electricity, then remember, it comes from either a nuclear, or a petroleum based
generating plant. You see, Obama talks a good game, but when put into reality
it doesn't work.
Mountanman: Gas prices in June '08 were $4.08. That's above what it
is now. I, too, can pick and choose a number to support my beliefs!m.g.: So is that it? We found oil, and we have gone as far as we can go for
alternatives? There's nothing else out there that can be used? You and I
will probably never know, but I'm betting the future will find it!
Chris B: Subsidies and Tax breaks for Oil companies in excess of Billions and
billions while they report record profits is the republican welfare for the
wealthy that the above posters want to remain status quo. Nothing new to see
here.Why are oil companies investing in new tech if we have the
nearly unlimited supply that I keep hearing about? Maybe they can see the
writing on the wall. Also they receive grants and tax deductions to do that
research so they get even more of the peoples money.
The private sector... private enterprises... have always, and will always be
more effective and less wasteful than the government in any kind of enterprise
or endevour. History has shown that to be the case in hundreds and thousands of
examples and is statistically irrefutable. Over 3 years later, more
than one-third of Obama's $800 billion stimulus spending package is still
unaccounted for. No one can tell where that money went or what it was used for.
If that had been a private sector project, every dollar would be accounted for.
The IRS holds private businesses to a much higher standard than it does
government spending. Therefore, it's not sad at all (as one commenter said)
that private businesses are spending much more for alternative fuel research
than the government is. Much more will be accomplished and in a much shorter
time.There are already huge incentives in place that are causing
thousands of big-rig trucks and buses to be in the process of converting to CNG
(compressed natural gas). America has more natural gas reserves than any other
country in the world. Big changes are already moving forward within the
automotive and nuclear industries.
Bebyebe,you did not answer Mr. Scott's question.wean
vehicles of oil. OK, replace that with........?????you wean a child
off his mother's milk and replace that with cereals and other baby foods,
then more solid foods, and eventually regular foods.You are telling
us, essentially, stop eating completely. You know what happens when you do
that, don't you? you DIE!We'll give you another chance.With what is BO proposing we replace oil?BTW, Nissan and
other companies are already selling alternative fuel vehicles. They did it
WITHOUT taxpayer money from BO.Happy ValleyAs Redshirt pointed
out, those big, bad, EVIL, SATANIC oil companies are the ones spending the most
on alternative fuels research. Are you saying you want the government to
subsidize them even MORE?
First become energy independent by opening up ALL public lands to oil production
.... this will create a boom for the economy. The next step is to look into new
technology for cars that doesn't require oil. Obama is always backwards on
Perhaps Obama has seen too many Star Wars movies. Feels we can make cars that
float on air. Hmm?
One of Obama's helpers should tell him we have no more money for
gambling.We already spent it on Solyndra.Now if we were to
stop spending money to implement Obamacare...........never mind.
lost in DC said:wean vehicles of oil. OK, replace that
with........?????you wean a child off his mother's milk and replace
that with cereals and other baby foods, then more solid foods, and eventually
regular foods."You answered your own question without realizing
it. WEAN does not mean stop eating or driving it means a calculated transition
to more efficient or different energy source.All or None, Black or
White there are spaces between for some people.
To "Happy Valley Heretic" I don't think you understand what the
question was.Let me rephrase it and hopefully you will get it this
time.Obama wants to wean vehicles off oil. What does Mr. Obama plan
to replace the oil derived fuel with?Right now there is no viable
alternative to oil. How do you plan an weaning that child from milk to steak
without a plan?
To xscribe:Yes, gas prices did top out at over $4 per gallon in June
2008. But it was a very temporary spike caused by extenuating circumstances. And
by election day in November 2008, when Obama was voted in, gas prices had fallen
back down to $1.61 per gallon, closer to the $2 range they were traditionally in
before that temporary price spike that you are trying to argumentatively
exploit. So Mountainman really was (is) correct. Gas prices actually have
doubled since Obama was first voted in as president. Google "historical gas
price data" and it can easily be verified. Gasbuddy.com has a data graph
chart that is simple enough to read. Try it.Environmentalists are
strong supporters of Obama. He is beholding to them. Their agenda is for much
less usage of gas and oil. The easiest way to accomplish that is to have
consumer gas prices go up substantially, even though it significantly hurts the
economy whenever it does. Hopefully, reasonable priced alternatives will become
more readily available before current escalating gas prices get too far out of
hand. Government interference is not the answer, nor will it ever be.
For the last 35 years I've been pushing for more research into other proven
and potential alternate sources of energy, like bio-fuels (from non-food
plants), geothermal, wave-motion, advanced nuclear and several other constant
(meaning not reliant on very variable energy sources, like wind or solar),
virtually inexhaustible forms of non-fossil energy.My principal
motivation is **not** an attempt for some fanciful effect on global "climate
change" (many past world-wide ice ages have convinced me our planet will
change plenty with and/or without our "help"), but rather a simple
desire to not be so "all our eggs in one basket" dependent on oil.
Particularly when we are still so reliant on oil from some very inhospitable
sources (Chavez's welcome departure notwithstanding).I suspect
with our enormous existing oil/gasoline-based infrastructure, something similar
(bio-fuel, probably algae) will be our best first bet. But we need to continue
to expand the alternatives.Like the scout motto says, we need to,
Happy ValleyI answered my own question without realizing it? I asked what
BO is proposing we use to replace oil. Where did I answer that question? What
did I say BO was proposing we use.reading comprehension problems?I guess you missed the point of my comment to bebyeb; it was bebyebe who
was essentially saying go ahead and stop eating and die because bebyebe did not
say what BO was going to use to replace the oil. As noted in my
original comment, wean implies replacing one thing gradually with something
else. We are STILL WAITING for the BO apologists to say what BO is proposing we
replace oil with. Do you know? bebyebe apparently does not because he/she/it
has certainly not said so.
RedShirt said:"To "Happy Valley Heretic" I don't think
you understand what the question was.Obama wants to wean vehicles off oil.
What does Mr. Obama plan to replace the oil derived fuel with?Right now
there is no viable alternative to oil. How do you plan an weaning that child
from milk to steak without a plan?"From the article: "over
the next decade to expand research into electric cars and biofuels to wean
automobiles off gasoline."I don't think you understand
"a decade of research" is a plan vs. Your NO PLAN, do nothing about it
until it's all gone.
Taters: Yes, but...I love it. I am "technically" correct also, and gas
prices also doubled under Bush. Gas was just recently down to $2.60 here in
Colorado. Gas prices fluctuate, and have for a long, long time. So unless you
can provide some concrete data that somehow Obama's policies have produced
high gas prices, then it's plain rhetoric.
Why?The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in
just four days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally
erased every single effort made to reduce the evil beast,-carbon. And there are
around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time
- EVERY DAY. I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the
Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere
than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth. Yes folks, Mt
Pinatubo - think about it.--What humans are doing is very little to nothing.Fools are people who believe lies.
Happy Valley Heretic, since when is the Washington Post a reliable source for
Airnaut, if you want to be credible, please use proper grammar. Case in point,
"make up stories and invaded Oil rich Middle Eastern countries."I would have said, "make up stories and invade oil rich Middle
Eastern countries".Seriously, if we were taking Iraq's oil,
which frankly we ought to do to pay us back for all the money squandered there,
our gas prices would be much lower due to that oil flooding the U.S. market.Since we are not doing that, your comment is not valid.
Pretty sure Mt. St Helens did the same thing.
@bebyebe:How do you wean a non-living thing off of anything.
That's liberal speak, you can't wean a car off oil! He thinks we
don't see through him. But I do.
So where does electricity come from? Does it grow on an electricity tree?
What are we going do when all of the whales are gone? What will we burn in our
Personally I want an Algae fueled truck. Isn't Maverick offering Algae now
or maybe its Harts? I forget. Maybe we can fuel our cars and trucks off
'love'. Sounds like something a liberal would fund doesn't it.
Barack doesn't exactly have a shining track record of funding green energy
companies...or perhaps wasting billions on green energy companies is better
stated. I get the feeling that giving Barack money for green energy research is
akin to emptying your wallet into the toilet and flushing. Hey - maybe a
'cold fusion' car!!! I guess Utah sort of got a black eye from that
one a few years back so better steer clear for now. Electric cars are
GREAT....well I guess you still have to charge the darn battery and that takes
evil electricity and that means a generator is involved and some sort of fuel to
turn the generator which means coal or nuclear or hydro.... ok never mind. I
know - a WIND powered car!! Democrat's would run a car forever with all the
hot air they generate.
Yeah, get us off of that evil fossil, and either global cooling, global warming,
climate change damaging fuel.And get us on clean old electricity.
The product of tons of coal being burned, which is clean and doesn't do any
harm to the environment. And helps out baracks buddy Warren Buffett (the
billionaire) that can't pay is secretary a living wage. But, is begging to
pay more in taxes, but, then hires attorneys to prevent him from paying those
taxes. Either way, Warren Buffetts railroads that he purchased will make alot
of money hauling coal or oil across this country.The rich get richer
and the poor get poorer.