Brett, you just don't understand that to a conservative, nothing is more
important than MONEY.
Utah cannot afford to maintain ist current land mass, why would anyone want to
give it more land to mismanage?
I have to admire all of the county commissioners in the rural parts of Utah,
especially in the southern third of the state. For example, Garfield County can
only levy taxes on 3% of the land in their county. The rest is owned by the
Federal Government and is exempt from property tax. They have to hope that they
can make up the difference through tourist dollars, which in this economy run a
little thin.That is the reason why people like the man who wrote
this letter and others are short-sided. It is real easy to say...this is what
you should do because I'm smarter than you. It is not so easy to do when
you are the ones who actually has to balance the books. Yes,
Conservatives are all about the money. Making money the right way. Taxing it
the right way. And spending it the right way. It's the same for our
lands. If we use our lands the right way, we don't have to leave a big
burden of debt to our children.
Excellent letter, Brett. Some of the same people who are looking longingly at
Utah's federal lands are also drooling over land currently occuppied by the
state prison.P.S. To Ben H: There's nothing wrong with being
"short-sided." I'm fairly long-sided myself, which gives me an
advantage at basketball.
The word "Industry" has several possible meanings e.g. industrious vs.
industrial. The Utah beehive implies hard work, not steel mills. Starting out
your argument with a misconception does not increase credibility.
Brett,You don't understand that liberals are all about spending other
peoples money and then demonizing them for having it.
one old man, you just don't understand that to a liberal, nothing is more
important than spending other people’s MONEY.I am sure that
statement did not cause anyone to change their mind any more than your original
statement did - it is merely meant to illustrate the ineffectiveness of your
petty stereotypes. Many people are conservative by default - being completely
repelled by bully liberalism. BTW: I do not support the transfer
of federal lands to Utah ownership, but I do think rural counties have
legitimate revenue concerns, Utah should consolidate its school trust lands and
more public lands should be in the national park system (which has the benefit
of attracting tourism money)
Garfield and other counties also receive payment in lieu of taxes from the
people of the USA who own the land, so their heroism is a bit overstated by Ben
H. One of the great ironies we have chosen to liven with is that conservatives
conserve nothing and will not be satisfied until every natural resource in this
state has been pillaged for short-term gain.
4601,liberals have nothing on the Conservatives when it comes to spending money.
The difference is conservatives just start wars and don't pay for it or
force Medicare to pay retail for drugs rather than negotiate like the VA does,
or force the PO to pay for 75 yrs worth of retirement in 10 years then complain
they are losing money. Conservatives are good at racking up debt then blaming
the next guy. No one invents more creative ways to tax than conservatives. They
may cut your property tax here but raise your sales tax there.
Wow, the liberals are really out today.Here is the problem. Current
laws for logging can actually be beneficial to the forest and the state. The
liberals would rather allow the forests to grow and become huge tinderboxes that
burn millions of acres of land. You liberals are loving the land to death.By allowing commercial uses of the private land we can help manage the
forest and keep them healthy, rather than allowing them to get too old and
decay.Plus, if we allow some mineral, oil, and gas extraction on the
royalties can go to schools and the general fund for the state.Come
on liberals, explain why you think it is a good idea to make our forests more
fire prone while cutting Utah out of the possible royalties from using the land.
Said like a true Easterner.Why does the Federal government
"own" land in the states, anyway? They shouldn't. Decisions and
control should be local. That's just common sense.The claims
of pandering to industry and destroying the land are ludicrous. No one wants
that less than those who live in and enjoy the land.
ugottabkidn,really??You don't know that BO ran up more
debt in 38 months than bush did in 96 and you say liberal don't spend more
than conservatives?You don't know that bush had smaller
deficits when he had repub congresses than when he had demonrat congresses and
you say liberela don't spend more?You don't know that BO
has had smaller deficits with a repub house than with a demonrat house and you
say liberals don't spend more?You missed BO's state of the
disunion speech where he laid out MORE spending proposals but suggested no
spending cuts and you say liberal don't spend more?oh, please
stop, my side aches from laughing!
Counter Intelligence Said:"Many people are conservative by default -
being completely repelled by bully liberalism." Except the bullies on
the radio that so many here blindly trust."BTW: I do not support
the transfer of federal lands to Utah ownership, but I do think rural counties
have legitimate revenue concerns, Utah should consolidate its school trust lands
and more public lands should be in the national park system (which has the
benefit of attracting tourism money)"I have noticed you are
quite independent from your conservative associates on these boards when it
comes to the environment, and I agree with you. I however, don't believe
you are in the majority of conservatives with your convictions about wild places
as is seen above.You've have given me hope that not all
conservatives believe that our natural resources should be used up before our
greedy kids get them. Thank You.
Ben said: "Yes, Conservatives are all about the money. Making money the
right way. Taxing it the right way."Really? Then why are
conservatives completely dead set against any increase in taxes and the revenues
that would produce to allow a balanced budget?But, since Reagan,
Bush, Nixon, Bush II and others all raised taxes and it was okay then, please
explain why it's not now?
As an indication of how well the state would manage ownership of additional
land, let's examine the State's stewardship of their portion of the
land as it was allocated at statehood, the Utah School Trust land.Oops, it looks like half of that land no longer is owned by the State! That
issue didn't take long to analyze, and a failing grade assigned.What's their next idea?
Lost, you are, wrong. Open the CBO website. Those wars of yours weren't
free although you act as though they were. Medicare part D, a law passed during
the 2006 lame duck session by a show of hands that prevevent Medicare from
buying in bulk and negotiating reduced prices all done during with a republican
majority. Then you have your little econonmic downturn because Washington was
purchased by Wall Street. Take all this away and you got virtually no deficits.