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  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    March 12, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    The Republicans are controlled by a small faction that is effectively on a course to get control of the Government. Hitler did it in Germany. America had better wake up.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 12, 2013 8:36 p.m.

    This will balance our federal budget and create surpluses the same way Newt Gingrich, then Speaker of the House did during Bill Clinton's administration. Clinton is still taking credit for it but that's ok! Democrats do not want a balanced budget or fiscal responsibly because it reduces government wasteful spending and entitlements which Democrats depend on to create dependency and keeps them in power. A person dependent on the government will almost always vote to keep their entitlements coming even though we have no hope of ever paying for all of them, hence our $17 trillion debt and growing by $10 billion every day! We simply can not continue to spend money we do not have!

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2013 9:30 p.m.

    Mountanman-
    Your re-writing history instead of reading it. Not one Republican voted for the 1992 deficit reduction bill created by Clinton. The GOP used the tax increases from that bill to help balance future budgets, they never repealed them.
    Notice how Ryan's plan does not repeal the Obama care taxes or the January tax increases? Once again, the GOP lets the lib's do the heavy lifting.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 12, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    @ HS Fan. Baloney! Newt Gingrich was speaker of the Republican controlled House that passed the balanced budget. If not so, then please tell me how Gingrich got himself elected as speaker and how the deficit reduction and welfare reform act got passed if not a Republican voted for it since the Republicans controlled the House at that time? How on earth did the deficit reduction act ever pass if no Republican voted for it in a Republican dominated House of Representatives? Even Bill Clinton announced afterward, " the era of big government is over" after he was forced to agree to it!

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 13, 2013 12:13 a.m.

    Re:Mountanman

    The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 (or OBRA-93[1]) was a federal law that was enacted by the 103rd United States Congress (without a single Republican vote) and signed into law by President Bill Clinton. It has also been referred to, unofficially, as the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993. Part XIII, which dealt with taxes and is also called the Revenue Reconciliation Act of 1993.

    It created 36 percent and 39.6 income tax rates for individuals in the top 1.2% of the wage earners.[2]
    It created a 35 percent income tax rate for corporations.
    The cap on Medicare taxes was repealed.
    Transportation fuels taxes were raised by 4.3 cents per gallon.
    The taxable portion of Social Security benefits was raised.
    The phase-out of the personal exemption and limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.
    Part IV Section 14131: Expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit and added inflation adjustments.

    Newt Gingrich didn't become Speaker until January 1995.

  • Interloper Portland, OR
    March 13, 2013 4:11 a.m.

    The Affordable Care Act, or 'Obamacare' is, as John Boehner said, "the law of the land." It is not going to be repealed. In fact, some people, such as young adults who can remain on their parents' policies, are already benefitting from it. In short, Ryan's budget, which relies on an event that will not occur, is not really a budget at all. It is a wish fulfillment fantasy.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 13, 2013 6:48 a.m.

    Anyone criticizing the Ryan plan needs to tell us about the Democrat controlled senate's budget proposals- ZERO passed in the last four years- to avoid making any tough choices.

    Tell us about Obama's last budget proposal which received ZERO votes from any member of the House or Senate.

    The Democrats are not serious about governing, or fixing the obscene debt they have dumped in the laps of every child in the country. They want to win elections by being Santa Claus and give "free stuff!" to low information voters, but do not want to actually take responsibility for doing what needs to be done.

    In my opinion, the Ryan plan does not cut nearly enough, or nearly fast enough, but it is the best plan on the table, so I will support it.

    Of course, any story from Associated Press is little more than administration approved propaganda anyway.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    March 13, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Mountanman: 5 of the last 8 presidents have been republican. Kind of hard to create dependency and maintain power with the track record!

    DN Subscriber: I see you are still on a liberal media, Santa Claus, free gifts, if people don't vote like me they are low-information voters, kick. Nice!

    This budget is the very same budget that democrats rejected before. If this is what Ryan is spending his time doing, then he is doing a disservice to his constituents, as this plan will be rejected also. Ryan needs to compromise, and so do the democrats. That's what the people want and have been saying for a long time. Neither side wants to compromise, and you end up with those who think their way is the only way posting comments that others who disagree with them must be getting government gifts or are low-information voters, which is just a nice way of saying they are dumb!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    So we have a "REAL" budget from Paul Ryan vs the "FAKE" budget from Harry Reid. I listened to Ryan explain his budget and I was impressed with the thoughtfulness as well as the practicality. The Ryan budget will balance the US budget in 10 years - will INCREASE spending by 3% more each of the the next 10 years which accounts for inflation. The Ryan budget eliminates the now 2 trillion dollar train wreck of Obamacare and proposes a NEW and improved patient centered healthcare reform package in its place.

    The imposter or "FAKE" budget proposed by uncle Harry asks for an additional 1 trillion in NEW TAXES - this is in addition to the huge tax increase Obama already got on Jan 1 as well as the new payroll tax that all of us got smashed with Jan 1. Also the "FAKE" budget DOESN'T balance the US budget - doesn't even try. This is just a bunch of new taxes and 5.5% new spending.

    So the Democrat's and liberals are content in NEVER balancing the budget and therefore passing along to our kids a mount Everest sized mountain of debt which will destroy future generations of Americans.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 13, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    I didn't pay Medicare taxes for 50 years just to get one of Ryan's bogus vouchers.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    @FDRfan
    Your reference to Hitler immedialtly negated any credibility

    The Republican House has done far more in the last two years to manage a budget than either Obama or the Democrat Senate.

    Paul Ryan should be our next president

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 13, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    "I listened to Ryan explain his budget and I was impressed with the thoughtfulness as well as the practicality"

    Patriot.

    Ryans budget lowers tax rates and intends to make up the difference by closing loopholes and deductions.

    Did he name one deduction that would be lost or one loophole closed?

    If not, how do you know it is practical?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 13, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    "Paul Ryan should be our next president"

    But Paul Ryan has no experience outside of being a politician. He has been working in Washington since he graduated college.

    I thought that those on the right wanted someone with business experience.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 13, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    A new analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities underscores that the poor are no longer the primary beneficiaries of the government safety net. A new CBPP analysis of budget and Census data, shows that more than 90 percent of the benefit dollars that entitlement and other mandatory programs[1] spend go to assist people who are elderly, seriously disabled, or members of working households — not to able-bodied, working-age Americans who choose not to work.

    People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9% of the benefits.
    Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9% goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64.

    African-Americans, who make up 22% of the poor, receive 14% of government benefits, close to their 12% population share.

    White non-Hispanics, who make up 42% of the poor, 64% of the population, receive 69% of government benefits.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    @JoeBlow
    "But Paul Ryan has no experience outside of being a politician. He has been working in Washington since he graduated college."

    Ryan has more experience than the current office holder did

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    @patriot
    "The Ryan budget eliminates the now 2 trillion dollar train wreck of Obamacare and proposes a NEW and improved patient centered healthcare reform package in its place. "

    Actually it does no such thing. Ryan still keeps the 716 billion in Medicare cuts that was in Obamacare. then despite repealing the rest he still claims Obamacares' trillion in revenue. Somehow he claims this reduces the deficit by 1.8 billion despite the 716 billion not being a change compared to current law and the 1.1 trillion still being claimed despite him repealing that tax revenue. Then if he proposes something new that's a new cost.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 13, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    If Ryan's budget plan does balance the budget, it will do it on the backs of the middle class. I yearn for the old days when Republicans actually cared about the middle class.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    March 13, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    No wait a minute all of you. The Republicans have not passed a budget. Just listen to Jay Carney and all the MSNBC talking heads.

    OK, reality time now.

    Re: FDRfan: Using Hitler to make a point about Republicans? Please.

    Re: EdGrady: I don't think people like you and I need to worry about any SS/Medicare being taken from our generation. If Ryan and the Republicans tried to alter entitlements to people within a few years of getting those entitlements, it WOULD end the Republicans as a party. What needs to be done is adjust those programs for future generations, like people currently in their 30s or 40s. What is most amazing is only today in an interview with with George S on ABC, Obama said there is no immediate debt problem and the debt can be sustained for another 10 years. Does anyone believe it. Just how out of touch can this President be? In another 10 years at this rate out debt will be 30 trillion dollars. Let's get some adult thinking in the White House.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 13, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    The author very aptly described exactly what is happening plain and simple, "But this year's dueling GOP and Democratic budget proposals are more about defining political differences — as if last year's elections didn't do enough of that — than charting a path forward toward a solution. Congressional budgets often simply state party positions, and invariably are partisan endeavors."

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 13, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    I will say it again,

    The GOP can pass any house budget that they want. And do so without a single Democratic vote.

    That is what happened last time the Ryan budget came up in the house.

    The senate cannot pass a budget without GOP support.

    So, please don't make it sound like a big deal that the Senate hasn't passed a budget and the house has.

    Ryan has again pushed a budget (actually, the same one) that will get zero Democratic votes. He knows that it has ZERO chance of passing the senate.

    So, someone tell me exactly what that accomplishes. Do you call that leadership, or partisanship?

    @counter

    "Ryan has more experience than the current office holder did"

    Such as? Name one job he has had.

    Incidentally, since when did college law professor get declassified as a job?
    Same with civil rights attorney.
    Author?

    Tell me again what Ryan's Resume consists of?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 13, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    To "FDRfan" your analogy is 100% wrong. Hitler was able to trise to power by using a series of financial and social crises and finding a group to blame everything on. He then began acting as a dictator and circumvented the law to accomplish his goals. When the people received "free care" from the government, they followed him and granted him more power.

    Please go and learn about how Hitler was able to rise to power so that we can avoid a Hitler like person in the US.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    @JoeBlow

    "Such as? Name one job he has had."

    Who? Obama or Ryan?

    Obama was a "community organizer" and lawyer
    Ryan worked at McDonalds
    Obama served one incomplete term in the US senate
    Ryan is on his tenth term in the house
    Ryan is nearly 10 years younger
    A non-ostrich could easily find that information for themselves without the feigned indigation

    BTW: You are the one that says conservatives demand business experience
    I merely require economic sanity

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    One thing that people often don't understand about budget proposals. Obama and democratic leader's budget proposals for reducing spending never entail any actual budget cuts. They simply propose reducing the rate of already exaggerated proposed budget increases (that have largely become uncontrolled). And that in effect does nothing toward actually reducing the existing deficit. Absolutely nothing! In fact, they still allow for increases beyond inflation and population growth.

    That is the reason Obama is currently reigning over trillion-plus (1,200 billions) annual deficits that keep growing at unprecedented rates. The current annual and overall budget deficits are the highest of any nation, at any time in the history of mankind... even after accounting for inflation. Mind-boggling!

    Those who understand the true ramifications of where this situation is headed are having a hard time sleeping at night... and for good reason. Without major and immediate change, we are truly headed for a fiscal disaster. What's been happening in the worst Europe nations is just a small warning of what will soon be happening here... only on a much larger scale.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    Keep feeding into the finger pointing you only give your elected officials an easy way to keep doing nothing.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    March 13, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    @m.g. scott
    Let me see if I'm getting your plan correctly. You want to take THE EXACT same benefits, but cut or eliminate the benefit for people under 40. Why is that OK? Why do you get to take government money,that's coming out of my checks, but then not give me the same benefit your getting. It seems like you only care about yourself, not young families like mine and many others in this state and country. Preposterous!!!!!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 13, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    counter

    I did know of Ryans resume. I didn't realize that "career politician" counted as real employment and constitutional law professor didn't.

    My mistake.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 13, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    I can see my 92 year old neighbor bringing her little Ryan voucher to a negotiation session with her friendly insurance agent, a wolf who will eat that sheep whole.The financial market has already stolen vast quantities of equity from the elderly with their "reverse mortgage" scam; just imagine what the insurance companies would do to them given a chance.

  • first2third Elmo, UT
    March 13, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    So we have a tax and spend budget or a slow the rate of growth of government budget... I am for the later but I think the majority of Americans are for the former. I think people in this country want as much as they can get from their government not realizing someone has to pay for it. It is like my teenager wanting me to fill up his gas tank. He claims he doesn't want money, just the tank full. Why does he think I should do this for him? He says well I live in your house. You can substitute his gas tank with health care, unemployment benefits, pell grants, defense contracts or a myriad of other government programs, and substitute my house for I live in the US, I deserve it.... I hope I am wrong but I think we will see a democratic house elected in 2014.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 13, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Think of the budget as an overweight kid who needs to be skinnier. One way to achieve that is significantly cut back on his daily caloric intake, resulting in moderate weight loss. But, if his intake is too severely reduced, it could affect his growth. Another way for him to become leaner is to stabilize his calorie intake, keep him from gaining weight through a slight caloric decrease, and as he continues to grow he will become leaner.

    Paul Krugman points out:
    "The budget doesn’t have to be balanced to put us on a fiscally sustainable path; all we need is a deficit small enough that debt grows more slowly than the economy. To take the classic example, America never did pay off the debt from World War II — in fact, our debt doubled in the 30 years that followed the war. But debt as a percentage of G.D.P. fell by three-quarters over the same period.

    Right now, a sustainable deficit would be around $460 billion."

    The real threat to the economy is long term--as the population ages. We need to slow the rise of healthcare costs. Immigration can also help.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    March 13, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    FDRfan

    Comparing Republicans to a murderous Hitler is not only asanine, but insulting as well. If I said that about Obama I would be called a racist. Learn a diffent term to reflect your point of view instead of comparing them to a murderous vilain.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    March 13, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    RE: Noodlekaboodle

    The reform would be in the form of each person having control of their own pension plans, 401K and other ways to invest retirement. I'm not advocating keeping things as they are. If you thought that, then I didn't explain it very well. The change needs to be in how the whole social security plan is implemented in the first place. I'd like for people to be able to opt out all together and invest their money in something other than this current ponzi scheme that will likely go bankrupt or bankrupt the country. Change is needed. And change now for the future is better than waiting for disaster.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 14, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    HS Fan,
    The deficits were almost eliminated in 1999 and 2000, NOT in 1992. And remember, slick willy shut down the government THREE TIMES because the repubs did not want to spend as much as he did. Only when he held his finger to the political winds and saw the people actually wanted reduced spending, did he acquiesce. Please stop re-writing history.

    Truthseeker,
    Yeah, and repubs and demonrats got together under LBJ and passed medicare; but the subject bills were the deficit reduction act and welfare reform act, NOT those you cited. And you quote an uber-liberal think tank as an authority? HAHAHAHAHAHA. But look again, you are saying there are NO poor in the seriously disabled and working households

    Xscribe,
    5 of the last 8 presidents. OK, what has the make-up of congress been? Remember, unlike the way BO is trying to run things, the POTUS is not a supreme dictator.

    EdGrady, IronyGuy
    You’ve been listening to too many lies from the DNC and MSNBC. If you’ve been paying that long, you are grandfathered in.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 15, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    We need to read both Ryan's, and Obama's budget plans to form a creditable conclusion.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 15, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    I have neighbors on both sides of my house.

    My neighbor on the left, has wages tripled to those on the right.

    Crazy! The neighbors to the right are debt free, while those to the left are in a triple digit debt.

    With a tremendous amount of government revenue, we to, should be debt free, but our leaders are corrupted big time spenders, and we will suffer for it.