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  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 10, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Before Ute haters come on the board and pile on (yes, in the D News this happens---shocking, I know), let's let the facts come out. Give Dr. Hill his chance to show his side of the story. Let him tell what he knew and did not know. A writer in the Trib has already done his best to stir the pot against him (Hill). It would be nice if the readers could reserve judgement until the whole story comes out.

  • Civil Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    NCAA athletics, where students not only have scholarships held over their head but are forced to stay with their school or suffer a redshirt season while coaches can come and go as they please, is the perfect environment for abuses of power.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 10, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    @gored

    This is a comment board, where people, you know, commment. I understand your desire to not have to read anything negative about utah and its athletic department but the truth is this is a very big story, a very big deal, hill looks like he is in some serious trouble, the university itself looks like it could be in some serious trouble, and utah "fans" like yourself are just going to have to deal with those facts.

    Your plea for restraint, from those you call "haters" rings hollow since you certainly would not restrain yourself in the slightest if the tables were turned, your record here proves as much. Nor would the other utah "fans" on these boards restrain themselves. I'm sure that other than attacking BYU fans that make comments about this though all of you will refrain from commenting on it since you would prefer the ostrich approach and a quick as can be cover up.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 10, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    Go Red,

    I couldn't agree more. We always have to be careful not to immediately believe those who sling accusations ... especially when they're coming from disgruntled former athletes (or the parents of those athletes) who had scholarships taken away.

    I'm certainly not saying that the accusations shouldn't be taken seriously. The U or even an outside entity needs to do a VERY thorough investigation to uncover all the facts. And if even some of these accusations are true, I hope the U will take swift action against those in the wrong ... including Chris Hill if he had any prior knowledge and didn't appropriately act on that knowledge.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 10, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @gored and motortrike

    So what is appropriate commentary on this? Can we say that this looks bad? Can we say that it appears hill may be in some serious trouble? Can we say that it appears that the university has some serious questions to answer? What can we say about this?

    Can we not say anything at all? Are we supposed to just ignore this, for utah "fans" sake, and pretend nothing happened? Should we ignore the parents and athletes that have almost all verified this?

    I'm waiting on permission from you guys on how I should react to this, afterall we can't have people commenting on subjects that might cast the univeristy of utah, its athletic director, its president, and least of all its sports, in a bad light. Why that would be unconscienable, far worse even than ignoring the complaints of a group of parents and athletes over half a decade. It is always wrong to discuss things that might expose corrupt behavior at utah, things now publicly reported.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    March 10, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    Duckhunter--yes. You can say it looks bad.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    March 10, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    Go Red - stop with the hypocrisy! We all know how these comment boards would be lit up if this were to happen at BYU under Holmoe's watch.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 10, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Did you actually read my comment? Cause if you did you'd see that I'm pretty much saying the same thing you are.
    There's nothing wrong with commenting on the article. But there's certainly a difference between a rational comment and what Go Red was talking about - assuming guilt before the process has been played out.
    Bottom line, if Hill and others are guilty of wrong doing then I absolutely hope the U doesn't hold back on punishment, penalties and firing people where necessary ... and that includes Chris Hill.
    But for now, all the public has to judge this by are the stories from a few athletes that had scholarships pulled. We have yet to hear the other side and probably won't hear much because it would be extremely unprofessional for the U of U to respond to comments prior to doing a full investigation.
    THUS the reason for Go Red's comment about using restraint. There's this little thing in our country called "innocent until proven guilty."

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 10, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Let me more clearly answer your questions for you:

    "Can we say that this looks bad?"
    Yes. Because it does look bad.

    "Can we say that it appears Hill may be in some serious trouble?"
    Yes, because he "may" be in serious trouble.

    "Can we say that it appears that the university has some serious questions to answer?"
    Yes, because they obviously do have serious questions to answer.

    "Should we ignore the parents and athletes that have almost all verified this?"
    We certainly should NOT ignore them, nor should the U ... which is why a full investigation is under way.
    _______

    It seems you just want to stir the pot since all of your questions have very obvious answers.

    This situation isn't about the U looking bad or looking good. This is about doing the right thing. If an investigation finds that there are serious improprieties, then U of U leaders and even law enforcement, need to take serious action.

    However, the point here is that no one on these threads knows the full story and we would be wise to withhold judgement until that story has been told.

  • Hegdehog Bountiful, UT
    March 10, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    It's just as I feared. there is an apparent lack of institutional control and the athletic dept is starting to crumble around Dr Hill as we speak. He's run a top 25 basketball program into the ground, is well on the way to doing the same with the football program, and now this with the swimming team. Often times with every cockroach you see they are 25 more you don't see. Is this just the tip of the iceberg with the Athletic Dept?

    It certainly looks like Dr Hill is in over his head and maybe this is just a sign that trying to remain competitive in the Pac12 is just too great of a strain and they are beginning to flounder. Is it just a matter of time before we hear things like this from the football program?

    Sound like it's time for a change.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    March 10, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Article reminds me of the late Jo Paturno at Penn State. Let the coverup of the coverup begin.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    March 10, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    motorbike,
    why do you take the bait?

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 10, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    I'M a Ute fan . Yes if this was about BYU it would have a 100 comments already. What do u expect you are held to a higher standard right, or u think u are right. I think the Doc on the Hill needs a reality check. There is a good article on Yahoo about this and if all is true Doc Hill needs to go and fast.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    March 10, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    The win-at-all-costs mentality has invaded lots of corners in college athletics. The problem is that there is too much $$$ in university sports. Sometimes, less is more. Sometimes, a more prestigious conference is not worth the pressure it creates to compete.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    It doesn't matter how many comments there would be for a similar story about BYU. The bigger question is why allegations aren't addressed hard and fast, especially after Penn State. Every university in the nation should be doubling down on investigations.

    I am interested in hearing the administration's side. They are a public institution, and owe us something. I'm not going to leap to the "cover up" conclusion. Joe Paterno, you kind of get that. He is a football legend. Swim coach is one of those positions you presume a school has. Dime a dozen. Certainly not a position you need to protect with a cover up.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    Dr. Hill and the University of Utah were notified in writing as early as May 2009 of allegations of abuse occurring within the swimming and diving program and they've received other complaints since then. In December 2012 the university was notified that Greg Winslow was being investigated for criminal sexual abuse of a 15 year old girl during his previous coaching position in Arizona.

    Yet, Utah apparently did NOTHING until a blogger connected the dots from Arizona to Utah?

    There's absolutely no excuse for Utah not immediately suspending Winslow as soon as Utah learned of the Arizona allegations, at the very least, until that investigation was completed and Winslow was cleared of the charges.

    This whole thing reeks of a cover up.

  • Peter Coyotl West Jordan, UT
    March 10, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    I am a Utah grad. I am a big Ute sports fan.But if these credible allegations are true, Chris Hill needs to be fired. It sounds as if Hill was sweeping many independent and serious allegations under the rug in an attempt to protect the athletic department.

    I expect better things from the school I attended. I expect better behavior from its employees and from their superiors. It may be time to clean house and Chris Hill has to be the first person cleansed from the U.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    March 10, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    I'm a Cougar with much respect for Utah and Dr. Hill. I'm gonna wait til I have more facts before I drool on my tie as some of my fellow Cougs have already done.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    March 10, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    Many years ago(early 1980) dr hill was a co-author of a white paper investigation into the performance of staff at the Utah State Training School (now known as The Utah State Developmental Center).

    As an administrator who favors transparency, dr hill would be the first person to agree that he needs to receive the same rigorus treatment he urged investigators to give to the staff working at the USTS.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 10, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    gored / motorbike

    Instead of buying into Hill's embarrassing cover up, read Brad Rock's column and the associated Yahoo article detailing the abuse that has gone on for years within the Utah swimming program.

    Get back to us when you're more enlightened.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 10, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    The headline for this article is disturbing:

    "University of Utah AD Chris Hill vows to look into allegations aimed at athletics dept."

    SEVEN years after reports of abuse first surfaced at the U, Chris Hill is FINALLY going to look into the allegations???

    Where have you been for the last seven years Dr. Hill?

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 11, 2013 12:29 a.m.

    This is what I love about college sports. It builds character, good sportsmanship, honesty,etc.etc. etc. Sports bring out the best in people. And participation is so inexpensive, it's a wise use of tax dollars. And the University of Utah sports program brings a lot of good publicity exposure to the state of Utah. Why spend the taxpayer money on education when you have an athletic program?

  • shorts Payson, UT
    March 11, 2013 6:08 a.m.

    I agree with Go Red, lets wait and find out what happened before we jump to anything.

    RE:Balan
    South Jordan, Utah
    "Go Red - stop with the hypocrisy! We all know how these comment boards would be lit up if this were to happen at BYU under Holmoe's watch."

    You are right BYU haters would be lighting up these comment boards. But why do we need to do the same thing? Lets wait and see what happened.

  • fcbenjamin Chittenango, NY
    March 11, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    Two items: First, I lost a lot of respect for Chris Hill way back when he was first starting as AD, and he pressured then-KALL to fire a sports-talk host for airing a program allowing listeners to vent their spleens after Hill fired a middling but popular basketball coach (before Majerus). ADs, and head coaches, for that matter, too frequently treat their departments as fiefdoms. Second: to the parent who sat on accusations for 3 1/2 years until his own son was fired from the team - Aren't these allegations serious enough that you should care about others in the program, and not just your own son? If you are so concerned, why wait 3 1/2 years?

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    March 11, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    Another reason to love USU

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 11, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    Not Good! Get this cleared up, no matter cost.

    To the Ute Haters,
    Have your fun but this ain't going to help anything at byu. The Utes already went racing past you, and with the basketball team up and coming, even the trail of dust is starting to disappear.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    March 11, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    Oh, LOOK, a comment NOT made about other comments, but about the article:

    "Two former Utah assistant coaches who resigned in 2012, Charlie King and Lisa Pursley, were contacted by the Deseret News, but both declined to comment about their time at Utah or why they left."

    Were they paid off, or are they just cowardly?

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    March 11, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    "I agree with Go Red, lets wait and find out what happened before we jump to anything."

    In other words, let's just sweep it under the rug and pretend that nothing happened. Heaven forbid that Hill and company could actually be involved in a cover up after all of the $$$ he brought to the school.

    Forget that "what happened" has been going on for five years without Hill saying a word about this to the public.

  • thebig1 SLC, UT
    March 11, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    The Dr has been practicing on the hill way too long. Got lucky with Urban and let Big Rick way overstay his welcome. Other than that what has he done?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 11, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Something that is obvious here to anyone who knows anything about the inner workings of competitive sports is the characterization of the accusations. Until the Arizona issue comes up all the accusations are from disgrunteled athletes and their parents who are unhappy with treatment by coaches. Most competitive sports programs could build a staircase to heaven with the stacks of such letters..including highschool programs. I read accusations of hazing, excessive training, and racial slurs. All things to take seriously, but nothing that would set an AD's hair on fire, and say oh my the program is out of control. Such behaviors pale when compared to what happened at Penn State..not even in the same universe.

    We'll see what comes..but slow down with the hyperbole. It reminds a little bit of the hatchet job the Allred family did on Majerus.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 11, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    @thebig1

    He hired Whit,he got us in to the Pac12,and he hired coach K. ETC.

  • SLCguy Murray, UT
    March 11, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    "NCAA athletics, where students not only have scholarships held over their head but are forced to stay with their school or suffer a redshirt season while coaches can come and go as they please, is the perfect environment for abuses of power."

    Civil said it perfectly.

    For every one report, you know there where many times that that went unreported since a kid's scholarship was the leverage held by the coaches, and the coaches alone.

    As for the OEO office.... Wow what can I say? You are everything that we have come to expect from bureaucrats. That entire office sounds like it needs to be flushed.

    As for Dr. Hill. If even part of the Yahoo article is accurate (and it sure seems like it is) your time at the U has come to an end. Time for the U to start looking for someone that will shake up the whole department. Like David Brandon did at Michigan.

    The U should be interviewing his Asst AD now.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 11, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    According to other news accounts, "For years, student-athletes and their parents approached the University of Utah athletic department with multiple allegations of abusive behavior by head swimming coach Greg Winslow, and yet the university never disciplined Winslow until it became aware he was the focus of a police investigation into the sexual abuse of a 15-year-old girl."

    But according to the apologists, since the abuse allegedly "pales in comparison" to what happened at Penn State, none of this should be setting Hill's hair on fire and we should all assume ostrich position.

    I wonder how "pragmatic" these apologists would be if it was their kid who was being abused?

  • Brian T Mapleton, UT
    March 11, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Innocent until proven guilty. My only question is, who is conducting the investigation? If Dr. Hill has been alleged to have acted improperly, the investigation should be conducted by an organization outside the athletic department. This article seems to indicate that Dr. Hill is conducting the investigation, including whether or not he acted improperly. Conflict of interest there if you ask me.

  • B C Park City, UT
    March 11, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    SLCguy

    "As for Dr. Hill. If even part of the Yahoo article is accurate (and it sure seems like it is) your time at the U has come to an end."

    Couldn't agree more.

    Why is Dr. Hill "investigating" the allegations if he was part of the cover up?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    I realize that in this day of the internet lynchmobs, this guy is already guilty, and maybe he is. There certainly seem to be a rash of stories about teachers sleeping with their students. But in general, I don't know why anyone joins the teaching/coaching profession anymore. You become certified and start your career, and at any moment it could all be taken away based on the accusation of a kid who was mad at their grade or not making the team.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 11, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    ekute

    "The Utes already went racing past you, and with the basketball team up and coming, even the trail of dust is starting to disappear."

    Your obsession with all things BYU betrays U.

    This has NOTHING to do with BYU. It has EVERYTHING to do with a continuing pattern of abuse of student athletes at the U being ignored by the administration - first Majerus, and now Winslow.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 11, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Moderate

    Lots of justifying there, but we're not talking about ONE kid making ONE accusation that may or may not be true; we're talking about MULTIPLE kids making MULTIPLE accusations over a period of MULTIPLE years at MULTIPLE institutions, and a complete failure on the part of the University of Utah to properly investigate the allegations.

    The university already "lynched" the abuser by running him and his boss out the door; the question now is why did it take so long when Utah's administration has apparently been aware of the abuse for years?

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    March 11, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Moderator

    "I realize that in this day of the internet lynchmobs, this guy is already guilty, and maybe he is."

    Are you serious? The university has already fired the guy and his boss, apparently without conducting an investigation, and now the administration is busy trying to cover their tracks.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    March 11, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Wow! This is a new phenomenon: Parents complaining when little Jimmy or little Mary is cut from the team, or when Coach is too hard on them, or when Coach speaks unkindly. I've never heard of parents complaining before. This must be serious! Heads must roll!

    Frankly, if I were Dr. Hill, I would have considered the source of every parental complaint and assumed a mountain had been made of a mole hill. I'm glad I don't have his job to do. We all owe JoPa and Ohio State such a big debt of gratitude for making every program and every coach suspect!

    I'm a Cougar fan and BYU alum, but I'm giving Hill and the U the benefit the doubt for having a slow over-reaction time.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 11, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    chris hill conducting an investigation into himself and his own athletic department is akin to the proverbial fox guarding the henhouse. What a joke.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    March 11, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Linus

    "Parents complaining when little Jimmy or little Mary is cut from the team, or when Coach is too hard on them, or when Coach speaks unkindly."

    So now you're claiming that Dr. Hill fired Winslow for no other reason than some parents complaining about mistreatment of their little Jimmy or Mary???

    I wonder how you'd react to having a long piece of PVC pipe taped along the length of your kid's back, having the pipe bound to his outstretched arms, and then having your kid forced to swim a series of underwater sprints until he blacked out because he couldn't breath.

    I swam in high school and college, have been coached by coaches who coached Olympic swimmers, yet I've never seen this particular training "technique" employed.

    In a word, it's ABUSE, regardless of how you want to characterize it, and those responsible for allowing this to happen at any institution should be fired.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    March 11, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    @Linus and others saying this is just about disgruntled athletes and parents

    You should read the Yahoo report before saying this is all about 'playing time' or 'not making the team'. I'm not saying every word of it is true, but these are not small accusations.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Aquatic version of Rick Majerus.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    March 11, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    After listening to Mr. Hill on a local radio station, I felt his comments and answers to questions were vague and came just short of "no comment". There were zero hard denials which to me is not a sign of confidence. Could be a seriously bad day and ugly black eye for the U if and when the allegations and coverup are proved correct.

  • Fashion Police Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 11, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    If he'd won a PAC 10.2 championship and taken the Utes to a runner-up finish at nationals, the Utes would have hung a Winslow banner in the natatorium instead of firing him.

    That's just the way they roll up on the hill.

  • B C Park City, UT
    March 11, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Duckhunter

    "chris hill conducting an investigation into himself and his own athletic department is akin to the proverbial fox guarding the henhouse."

    I wonder what Chris will do when he uncovers his own cover up?

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    March 11, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    The fact that Winslow is no longer going to be employed at the U, speaks volumes about what they already DO know...

    If Winslow was accused in Arizona, what happened to THAT case? Why were charges dropped? And if dropped, why is he automatically dismissed at Utah, if there are not real reasons for doing so?

    It does not look good from where we, the public, sit. This is not about sports...this is about abuse allegations, no matter what the surroundings are. So drop the BYU this, or the Utah that...this is purely about management and administrators, and teachers, and allegations of young people being preyed upon by adults, and those in positions of authority. Justice MUST be meted out.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    March 11, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    This is the obvious thing to do in this case isn't it? So why isn't it just as obvious that an independent investigator needs to be done for John Swallow and Lt. Gov. Bell? What a double standard!

  • JDL Magna, UT
    March 11, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Oh Henry! What does John Swallow and Greg Bell have to do with u?

  • jimmypage Meridian, ID
    March 11, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Can you imagine the outcry if someone tied a mesh sack and a PVC pipe to a dog or cat's back and then chucked that animal into a pool to watch it drown? A respectable human wouldn't treat animals this way! I read the Yahoo! sports report and it said that Winslow sat poolside and laughed as he watched these kids basically struggle for life. I'm sickened by the fact that this abuse was allowed to go on for years. Shame on Dr. Hill.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    March 11, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    Boy, I wonder what the Pac-12 Conference is thinking right now? Bet Mr. Hill got a call from them on this. Chris hired the coach and from what I've read and just heard on the radio, he has ultimate responsibility. My guess is that he will fall on his sword for the University President. Swimmers and divers will be allowed to transfer without penalty. Its' going to be a mess, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    March 11, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    Dr. Hill and the university haven't answered the two most important questions:

    If, Greg Winslow didn't do anything wrong, why was he fired?

    If, Greg Winslow did do something serious enough to be fired, why wasn't he fired sooner?

    So far, the university hasn't given a straight-forward answer to either of these questions, and until they do, they're leaving the question of the lack of institutional control hanging.

    This is going to get really ugly for the U if they continue their coverup.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    March 11, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Just released:

    "The University of Utah announced Monday it is hiring a pair of outside investigators to review allegations of physical abuse and inappropriate behavior by the school's ousted swim coach.

    The university already has said it won't renew the contract of suspended swim coach Greg Winslow based on allegations that he sexually abused a teenage girl he coached in Arizona six years ago."

    Hopefully, we'll finally get some answers instead of stonewalling.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 11, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    Sad to see these issues. I only hope this isn't systemic of "your tax dollars at work." Utah residents whose taxes support the institution deserve answers. At least it is now finally going to be investigated fully.

    Dr Hill is in a bad position, at least in the press, because of the long time supposedly these abuses has transpired, without his taking action. However, keep in mind we DON'T KNOW THE FACTS and shouldn't rush to judgement. The truth will come out and then it will be time to pay the piper, so to speak. I can wait. I'm willing to see what transpires.

    In the meantime, I wish the best to the Utes as they sort throught this tangled mess. No ill will from me about this situation.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    The University of Utah Athletics Department does not receive any Utah Tax payer dollars. No need to worry about "your tax dollars at work."

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 11, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    @SportsCenter

    Who said that we were buying into Dr. Hill's "embarrassing cover up" as you say? I have only said that Dr. Hill deserves due process. And how is it that you have all of the facts? You tell me to "come back when (I'm) more enlightened". Does that mean that you are the enlightened one who has all of the facts concerning what Dr. Hill knew in this situation? If you do, you should come forward with them!

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 11, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    So Dr. Hill promises to investigate his own *documented* egregious oversights? How reassuring.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 11, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    gored

    It's laughable that the first comment on this thread was you passing judgment on "BYU-haters" before a single comment from a BYU blogger had been posted, yet you expect NOBODY to pass judgment on Dr. Hill until he's been given his "due process".

    Where was your "outrage" about due process when Dr. Hill fired Coach Winslow?

    We know this is embarrassing for U, but, this isn't a court of law.

    What gives you the right to chastise other bloggers for not refraining from "passing judgment" until "all of the facts" are known? What if Hill NEVER announces any facts? Are we expected NEVER to pass judgment?

    As another blogger posted, there are really only two questions that Hill needs to answer:

    1. If, Greg Winslow didn't do anything wrong, why was he fired?

    2. If, Greg Winslow did do something serious enough to be fired, why wasn't he fired sooner?

    Regardless of the answers, Hill doesn't appear to have a legitimate excuse for waiting until March 2013 before firing Winslow.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 11, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    MAFU

    "The University of Utah Athletics Department does not receive any Utah Tax payer dollars."

    Who pays to maintain all of the facilities used by Utah's athletics department?

    Who pays for traffic enforcement and stadium security on game days?

    Who collects student fees that are given to the athletic department?

    The truth is, millions of taxpayer dollars are used every year to support the Utah athletics department.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 11, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    @ MAFU

    Read again carefully, please. I said "I hope" not that it was a fact. I also said that tax dollars support "the institution," not just the "athletic department."

    Also, I am one of the few critics of Utah athletics that also said we don't have the facts and that we should find them out first.

    Now, respond accordingly please.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 11, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Uteanymous, who said anything about assuming the ostrich position. I simply said compalints about harsh treatment and unfair treatment are a dime a dozen in competitive sports programs..thus such claims wouldn't be alarming..as would an accusation of sexual abuse. What does a hypothetical of one of my kids being mistreated have do with anything? The parents aren't being questioned here..you're just making up unrelated nonsense.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    Uteanymous and killarney. I'm sorry you missed the point of my comment. I am in no way defending the coach at Utah or the actions of that University.

    My concern was in regard to the teaching profession. Again, I don't know why any kid would choose "teaching" as a profession. I don't know how an honest, non-molesting teacher or coach protects themselves from false accusation in this day in age. That seems to be a profession high in risk, with little reward. Too bad, because we need good teachers and coaches.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 11, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    pragmatistferlife

    If these are "dime a dozen" complaints, why was Winslow fired so abruptly as soon as the allegations became public?

    Hill and the Utah athletic department have had five years to address numerous complaints against Winslow, yet nothing was done until the complaints became public.

    Why?

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    It is about time!

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 11, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    Marked it down..your two comments have nothing to do with one another..stay on topic. Complaints being common in sports programs are a fact..ask a high school head coach. Everything from unfair treatment to harsh treatment. But the commonality of complaints has nothing to do with why these complaints were treated the way they were..I have no idea, and neither do you..so again stay on topic and quit asking irrelevant questions.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 12, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    @phantomblade

    The comments after the article have everything to do with byu,Utah and the rivalry. That's why the majority of the comments are fron byu fans. Thus the essence of my comment. Save your sermon for your meeting on sunday. No doubt,this is a black mark on the Utah athletic dept. We'll see how much of a black mark at the conclusion of the investigation. Probably not as much as the byu fans are hoping. So I maintain...That on the field of play, this does nothing for byu. the Utes already raced past you and now even the trail of dust is starting to disappear. Go Utes

  • DOCTOR Chris Hill Bountiful, UT
    March 12, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    yes, I'll look into this and get back to you on it.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:17 a.m.

    Too bad for all involved, get it figured out and move forward. This and other situations like this are terrible.