Back in 1945, 40% of all American workers didn't pay any income tax for the
same reason they don't now: they don't make enough money.
What if paying more taxes won't stop the government from spending it and
much, much more as what is happening today? It does no good to pay more taxes if
the government spending is out of control! Why pay more taxes?
It will be as easy as getting milk from a bull. The reason so many pay so
little is because they live day to day and don't typically have $500 to
spend all at once. They are... POOR. Sure they have a fridge and a TV, but they
don't have MONEY.
Greg, I'm sorry, but you miss the point. Those 47 million you refer to
already pay a fair amount in taxes. The question you should be asking is why
they are not paid enough to qualify to pay income taxes while so much wealth is
being funneled to the top of the food chain. The problem is not that these
people aren't carrying their share of the national tax load. The problem is
that they are not receiving a fair share of the wealth that they do in fact
create.If what certain Republican commentators claim is true, that
profit should go to those who create it, then the common laborers should get a
much bigger share of it than the current system is designed to give them.
There are Deseret News letter writers who are still writing about the 47 million
workers or the 47 percent “...that do NOT pay ANY taxes...”. ----Stop the presses---Revelation #1 follows.Medicare and
social security ( FICA ) are taxes that are based on gross wages. These FICA
taxes are 15.3 percent and the employee and the employer both pay half of the
15.3 percent.End of Revelation #1.“These
monies” DO “help address national expenses...”. Attention Mr. Gary Griffenhagen and the DN staff that pick letters containing
Does Gary actually believe he is making a new argument, one that has not already
been debated to death ans who's logic has failed to sway the majority of
The thing is I don't believe there is anyone who works that does not pay
tax at some level. Anyone who purchases goods or services, owns property, owns a
vehicle, just about any action one can have is taxed somewhere. These 47
million, who are they? Deadbeats, or part time workers, underemployed but hoping
to earn enough to pay taxes? We're becoming consumed worrying that somebody
might be getting something we're not, with no consideration for what their
real situation might be.
Oh dear more of the same garbage that 47 percent don't pay any taxes. A
number debunked like 5 months ago. Listen, the election is over, mitt lost, now
get over it.Older, disabled, and poor cannot afford higher taxes.
The rich can. It's that simple.
Our federal income tax was originally designed and implemented as a tax on the
rich to supplement other taxes already being collected. The current structure
reflects that original intent.
47 million or so workers that do not pay any taxes is a lie. The
only people in America that don’t pay taxes are those who don’t
purchase any consumer product or services from an American business. I think
most of them are dead. Every tax paid by every business,
businessman or what ever, is included in the price of consumer products. In
effect every tax is passed down to the final purchaser who has no one to pass it
on to. So if you are buying and consuming, which all of us do, there is no one
alive who doesn’t pay taxes, and that includes the income tax of
Research studies show ( not just in our country) that tax policy plays a key
role in income gap. Inequality has steadily increased in this country. Nearly
all the gain in income over the past 30 yrs has gone disproportionately to the
top 1%. In 1970 the top 1% had 9% of pre-tax income. Today, the top1% have 20%
of pre-tax income. The U.S. economy is not going to flourish if the 99% have
too little discretionary income, (although corporations can continue to profit
due to new markets in the global economy). A surge in top incomes gives top
earners more ability to influence the political and legislative process through
think tanks, lobbying and campaign financing.
When I read letters like Gary's is it any wonder why we have a government
that is in the worse gridlock of my lifetime. It is based on total ignorance and
spawned from propaganda from heaven only knows. It is a total fabrication when
demonizing the working class. It is not the working class that through the
nation into the so called deficit crisis. It is political posturing and if it
was anything else it would have been solved, Americans would be back to work,
the 1% would be contributing as they were in days past, corporate subsidies
would be eliminated, the military wouldn't be absorbing double the cash of
everyother nation combined, healthcare costs would have been addressed, andd you
wouldn't be blaming people that pay more proportionately than Mitt Romney,
not to mention you would have turned off the comedian Beck.
I could go along with this. I'd be willing to pay some more in taxes.But only as long as big corporations like GE (zero taxes) and wealthy
people like Mitt (13%) are paying at least as much as this retired old man is
I thought the right had sworn an oath to not raise taxes? I also recall the
right saying that we couldn't raise taxes during touh economic times. Yet, their actions and letters like these show their enthusiasm for
raising taxes and on destroying the middle class and poor. No wonder
why they're losing so much support politically.
Sorry, but the 47% fiction is just that, a fiction. Those 47% pay plenty in
taxes. Just not the federal income tax. There are a variety of taxes in
this country for people in different circumstances. Some people invest, and pay
a capital gains tax. I don't invest at all, and so avoid that tax. Some
people manage to avoid estate taxes. They avoid them by not dying. Federal
income tax is primarily intended for high earners. Low earning Americans'
primary taxes are payroll taxes. May I suggest that anyone wanting to
write about tax policy should, maybe, know something about it first?
But Eric, it is so much easier and better feeds our righteous indignation to
base our opinions not on facts, but on prejudices we picked up from those whose
politics we happen to agree with.
I love it when the Republican letter writers chime in about the "evil"
non-tax paying free loaders who are milking the systemGuess What ---
Almost the entire U.S. military service men and women are part of
the lazy 47% you "patriots" keep slamming.They also qualify
for food stamps, WIC, and reduced lunches for their kids.Your
argument is therefore completely worthless to me, a Veteran.
Income tax, as liberals here describe it, should be renamed a wealth tax. You
are not interested in funding the necessary federal programs and shared
sacrifice, you are only interested in jealously taking from the rich. I understand that low income people find it difficult to pay income tax, but
we have defined our society by income to the point that almost half the people
view income tax not as something patriotic Americans sacrifice for the benefit
of the country, but as something the rich owe for the benefit of the
'non-income tax paying' poor. For as long as 47% pay none of it, there
will be a large percentage who will continue to spew rhetoric that is
anti-American, and will continue to vote for freebies instead of freedom and
national economic ruin instead of prosperity. They have become the Kamikazes
attacking America. A better way to solve this would be to enact
pro-growth policies (opposite of Obamacare's 29hr standard workweek)
getting as many as are able back to work fulltime (40hr workweek) patriotically
paying income taxes, then take care of the unable to work, and cut off the
parasitic unwilling to work.
BadgerBadger:Then let's pay people enough so that they can
afford to both pay income tax and purchase health insurance. Is that too much to
ask of the wealthy class? We don't want to "steal" their money. We
want them to stop stealing from their employees (since they are all job creators
in the Republican universe). But no, Republicans can't even see a way to
increase the minimum wage to $9, which is still not enough to accomplish the two
basic goals I mentioned.
Mr. Deforrest,"Greg, I'm sorry, but you miss the point. Those 47
million you refer to already pay a fair amount in taxes. "That
is true, but the piont is us those of the other 53 million not only pay the same
taxes the 47 million, we also pay Federal income tax on top of it....So people are two poor to pay taxes... hmm... are they too poor to have cell
phones? nope, are they too poor to have Cable/Dish? nope, are they too poor to
buy smokes and beer? Nope... Get what I am saying? I think the truly
poor should get a break, but I know people who make 40,000 a year that pays no
taxes.. those people could offord 500.00
Lew,Then let's pay people enough so that they can afford to both pay
income tax and purchase health insurance. Is that too much to ask of the wealthy
class? We don't want to "steal" their money. My
question to you is why don't you pay more in taxes to pay for the
"poor", I find it amusing that people always want the other guy to pay,
they are fine with that as long as they don't have thier pockets picked.
Re:badgerbadger,ConfusedWhy look only at the federal income tax?
The fact is, the poor pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes (sales,
excise, payroll etc) than do the wealthy. State income taxes tend to be more
regressive than federal income taxes. The poor also tend to give a greater
percentage of their income to charity--but then don't get the charitable
tax deduction. Paying taxes patriotic? Tell that to those who ate
stashing income in the Caymans.
I get the distinct impression that the letter writer and the Confused Badger,
think that the progressive tax system has just been put in place. Indeed, it has
been a part of the income tax almost since the beginning of the income tax
almost 100 years ago. It was not created by the current President or any of the
14 Presidents before him. It was built into the tax system to insure fairness.
Sorry that you are just finding out about it and that it stokes your sense that
someone is getting over and you and you are being treated unfairly by a liberal
"Then let's pay people enough so that they can afford to both pay
income tax and purchase health insurance."Who's the
"us" in "let's"? Does money grow on trees?Or
perhaps you're proposing the Soviet solution - you know, where the people
pretend to work and the government pretends to pay them...
Yes, lets all pay for it next Tuesday.
Large corporations are the ones who do not pay their fair share. We can no
longer afford to provide over $125 billion every year in corporate welfare - tax
breaks, subsidies and other wasteful spending - that goes to some of the
largest, most profitable corporations in America. A study covering 275
profitable Fortune 500 corporations by Citizens for Tax Justice (CTJ) and the
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) found that eighty-two of the
275 companies, almost a third of the total, paid zero or less in federal income
taxes in at least one year from 2001 to 2003. Many of them enjoyed multiple
no-tax years. In the years they paid no income tax, these companies earned $102
billion in pretax U.S. profits. But instead of paying $35.6 billion in income
taxes as the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these
companies generated so many excess tax breaks that they received outright tax
rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury, totaling $12.6 billion.