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Letter: All should help pay for national expenses and/or the national debt

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  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 3, 2013 7:04 a.m.

    Back in 1945, 40% of all American workers didn't pay any income tax for the same reason they don't now: they don't make enough money.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 3, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    What if paying more taxes won't stop the government from spending it and much, much more as what is happening today? It does no good to pay more taxes if the government spending is out of control! Why pay more taxes?

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    March 3, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    It will be as easy as getting milk from a bull. The reason so many pay so little is because they live day to day and don't typically have $500 to spend all at once. They are... POOR. Sure they have a fridge and a TV, but they don't have MONEY.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 3, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Greg, I'm sorry, but you miss the point. Those 47 million you refer to already pay a fair amount in taxes. The question you should be asking is why they are not paid enough to qualify to pay income taxes while so much wealth is being funneled to the top of the food chain. The problem is not that these people aren't carrying their share of the national tax load. The problem is that they are not receiving a fair share of the wealth that they do in fact create.

    If what certain Republican commentators claim is true, that profit should go to those who create it, then the common laborers should get a much bigger share of it than the current system is designed to give them.

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    March 3, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    There are Deseret News letter writers who are still writing about the 47 million workers or the 47 percent “...that do NOT pay ANY taxes...”.

    ----Stop the presses---Revelation #1 follows.

    Medicare and social security ( FICA ) are taxes that are based on gross wages. These FICA taxes are 15.3 percent and the employee and the employer both pay half of the 15.3 percent.

    End of Revelation #1.

    “These monies” DO “help address national expenses...”.

    Attention Mr. Gary Griffenhagen and the DN staff that pick letters containing fiction.

  • George Bronx, NY
    March 3, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    Does Gary actually believe he is making a new argument, one that has not already been debated to death ans who's logic has failed to sway the majority of Americans?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 3, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    The thing is I don't believe there is anyone who works that does not pay tax at some level. Anyone who purchases goods or services, owns property, owns a vehicle, just about any action one can have is taxed somewhere. These 47 million, who are they? Deadbeats, or part time workers, underemployed but hoping to earn enough to pay taxes? We're becoming consumed worrying that somebody might be getting something we're not, with no consideration for what their real situation might be.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 3, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Oh dear more of the same garbage that 47 percent don't pay any taxes. A number debunked like 5 months ago. Listen, the election is over, mitt lost, now get over it.

    Older, disabled, and poor cannot afford higher taxes. The rich can. It's that simple.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 3, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Our federal income tax was originally designed and implemented as a tax on the rich to supplement other taxes already being collected. The current structure reflects that original intent.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 3, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    47 million or so workers that do not pay any taxes is a lie.

    The only people in America that don’t pay taxes are those who don’t purchase any consumer product or services from an American business. I think most of them are dead.

    Every tax paid by every business, businessman or what ever, is included in the price of consumer products. In effect every tax is passed down to the final purchaser who has no one to pass it on to. So if you are buying and consuming, which all of us do, there is no one alive who doesn’t pay taxes, and that includes the income tax of millionaires.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 3, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    Research studies show ( not just in our country) that tax policy plays a key role in income gap. Inequality has steadily increased in this country. Nearly all the gain in income over the past 30 yrs has gone disproportionately to the top 1%. In 1970 the top 1% had 9% of pre-tax income. Today, the top1% have 20% of pre-tax income. The U.S. economy is not going to flourish if the 99% have too little discretionary income, (although corporations can continue to profit due to new markets in the global economy). A surge in top incomes gives top earners more ability to influence the political and legislative process through think tanks, lobbying and campaign financing.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    March 3, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    When I read letters like Gary's is it any wonder why we have a government that is in the worse gridlock of my lifetime. It is based on total ignorance and spawned from propaganda from heaven only knows. It is a total fabrication when demonizing the working class. It is not the working class that through the nation into the so called deficit crisis. It is political posturing and if it was anything else it would have been solved, Americans would be back to work, the 1% would be contributing as they were in days past, corporate subsidies would be eliminated, the military wouldn't be absorbing double the cash of everyother nation combined, healthcare costs would have been addressed, andd you wouldn't be blaming people that pay more proportionately than Mitt Romney, not to mention you would have turned off the comedian Beck.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 3, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    I could go along with this. I'd be willing to pay some more in taxes.

    But only as long as big corporations like GE (zero taxes) and wealthy people like Mitt (13%) are paying at least as much as this retired old man is paying (16.4%)

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 3, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    I thought the right had sworn an oath to not raise taxes? I also recall the right saying that we couldn't raise taxes during touh economic times.

    Yet, their actions and letters like these show their enthusiasm for raising taxes and on destroying the middle class and poor.

    No wonder why they're losing so much support politically.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    March 3, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Sorry, but the 47% fiction is just that, a fiction. Those 47% pay plenty in taxes. Just not the federal income tax.
    There are a variety of taxes in this country for people in different circumstances. Some people invest, and pay a capital gains tax. I don't invest at all, and so avoid that tax. Some people manage to avoid estate taxes. They avoid them by not dying. Federal income tax is primarily intended for high earners. Low earning Americans' primary taxes are payroll taxes.
    May I suggest that anyone wanting to write about tax policy should, maybe, know something about it first?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 3, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    But Eric, it is so much easier and better feeds our righteous indignation to base our opinions not on facts, but on prejudices we picked up from those whose politics we happen to agree with.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 3, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    I love it when the Republican letter writers chime in about the "evil" non-tax paying free loaders who are milking the system

    Guess What ---

    Almost the entire U.S. military service men and women are part of the lazy 47% you "patriots" keep slamming.

    They also qualify for food stamps, WIC, and reduced lunches for their kids.

    Your argument is therefore completely worthless to me, a Veteran.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    March 4, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Income tax, as liberals here describe it, should be renamed a wealth tax. You are not interested in funding the necessary federal programs and shared sacrifice, you are only interested in jealously taking from the rich.

    I understand that low income people find it difficult to pay income tax, but we have defined our society by income to the point that almost half the people view income tax not as something patriotic Americans sacrifice for the benefit of the country, but as something the rich owe for the benefit of the 'non-income tax paying' poor. For as long as 47% pay none of it, there will be a large percentage who will continue to spew rhetoric that is anti-American, and will continue to vote for freebies instead of freedom and national economic ruin instead of prosperity. They have become the Kamikazes attacking America.

    A better way to solve this would be to enact pro-growth policies (opposite of Obamacare's 29hr standard workweek) getting as many as are able back to work fulltime (40hr workweek) patriotically paying income taxes, then take care of the unable to work, and cut off the parasitic unwilling to work.

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    March 4, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    BadgerBadger:

    Then let's pay people enough so that they can afford to both pay income tax and purchase health insurance. Is that too much to ask of the wealthy class? We don't want to "steal" their money. We want them to stop stealing from their employees (since they are all job creators in the Republican universe). But no, Republicans can't even see a way to increase the minimum wage to $9, which is still not enough to accomplish the two basic goals I mentioned.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    March 4, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Mr. Deforrest,
    "Greg, I'm sorry, but you miss the point. Those 47 million you refer to already pay a fair amount in taxes. "

    That is true, but the piont is us those of the other 53 million not only pay the same taxes the 47 million, we also pay Federal income tax on top of it....

    So people are two poor to pay taxes... hmm... are they too poor to have cell phones? nope, are they too poor to have Cable/Dish? nope, are they too poor to buy smokes and beer? Nope... Get what I am saying?

    I think the truly poor should get a break, but I know people who make 40,000 a year that pays no taxes.. those people could offord 500.00

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    March 4, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Lew,
    Then let's pay people enough so that they can afford to both pay income tax and purchase health insurance. Is that too much to ask of the wealthy class? We don't want to "steal" their money.

    My question to you is why don't you pay more in taxes to pay for the "poor", I find it amusing that people always want the other guy to pay, they are fine with that as long as they don't have thier pockets picked.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 4, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Re:badgerbadger,Confused

    Why look only at the federal income tax? The fact is, the poor pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes (sales, excise, payroll etc) than do the wealthy. State income taxes tend to be more regressive than federal income taxes. The poor also tend to give a greater percentage of their income to charity--but then don't get the charitable tax deduction.

    Paying taxes patriotic? Tell that to those who ate stashing income in the Caymans.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2013 8:36 p.m.

    I get the distinct impression that the letter writer and the Confused Badger, think that the progressive tax system has just been put in place. Indeed, it has been a part of the income tax almost since the beginning of the income tax almost 100 years ago. It was not created by the current President or any of the 14 Presidents before him. It was built into the tax system to insure fairness. Sorry that you are just finding out about it and that it stokes your sense that someone is getting over and you and you are being treated unfairly by a liberal plot.

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    March 4, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    "Then let's pay people enough so that they can afford to both pay income tax and purchase health insurance."

    Who's the "us" in "let's"? Does money grow on trees?

    Or perhaps you're proposing the Soviet solution - you know, where the people pretend to work and the government pretends to pay them...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    Yes, lets all pay for it next Tuesday.

  • Lets think Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    Large corporations are the ones who do not pay their fair share. We can no longer afford to provide over $125 billion every year in corporate welfare - tax breaks, subsidies and other wasteful spending - that goes to some of the largest, most profitable corporations in America. A study covering 275 profitable Fortune 500 corporations by Citizens for Tax Justice (CTJ) and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) found that eighty-two of the 275 companies, almost a third of the total, paid zero or less in federal income taxes in at least one year from 2001 to 2003. Many of them enjoyed multiple no-tax years. In the years they paid no income tax, these companies earned $102 billion in pretax U.S. profits. But instead of paying $35.6 billion in income taxes as the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these companies generated so many excess tax breaks that they received outright tax rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury, totaling $12.6 billion.