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UPDATED: Shooting near Columbus Ohio LDS Temple

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  • FromWA Olympia, WA
    Feb. 26, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    Having lived in there and that being in my ward a few years ago, I hope all are all right.

  • isrred South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    According to the NRA if only more people at the Temple had guns everything would be ok!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Are more unregulated guns the answer to shooting everyday everywhere?

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Feb. 27, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    @isrred
    And according to you liberals, this shooting wouldn't have happened if you took away my guns and had a background check done on his grandmother. Sheez!

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    Isrred:

    It might be well for you to read the short article, "Local officials said the shooting had nothing to do with the temple," LDS Temples are gun free areas. There is no need for this kind of protection in temples. There is other security more fitting for these sacred places. The NRA provides the best training available for self protection in the dangerous regions outside and away from the temples. Be thankful for what they do to fight crime.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    @isrred - Ignorant comment

    This story has been posted since yesterday late afternoon and you still don't have any more information about the story. You post it as it is headline news and nothing. Does anyone work at Des News?????

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Feb. 27, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    At what point will the NRA and all of the deceived gun carrying masses realize that their favorite montra of "guns don't kill people, people kill people" finally admit that these folks and many others that we read about every day, whether guilty or innocent, actually died from gun shot wounds? Yes, people fired the guns, but how often do we read about innocent people being killed by a knife or some other type of weapon? Sorry to say, but guns do kill people and it's only getting worse. Please, see the truth, the reality of the situation and stop holding onto outdated theories and marketing strategies. It is beyond time control and restrict access to these weapons.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 27, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    5 posts and not one mention of those injured. Not a prayer--not a kind word. Just a hateful gun debate and partisan point making. Well, let me be the first.My thoughts and prayers go out to those injured. They also go out to those so hateful and angry that they might not get their way, they lose all thought and compassion for their fellow man. Not to sound overly preachy, but---People--you can be better than this.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Temples are gun free areas. The colorado theater of the Batman shootings was a gun free zone. It appears that some people just do not obey the law.

    Joseph Smith said "We teach our people correct principles and let them govern themselves". This is not a problem of guns, this a is problem of moral decay. Taking away guns does not solve it.

    I think that in a few years time we will see days in which all those now trying to take away guns will wish that they had one.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    xert
    Of course you are right. Our prayers ought to be with those injured. Thanks for the reminder.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Jordan River Temple, now Ohio.

    I'll bet mental illness and access to guns will be the common demoninators.
    Something a 2 minute background could have easily stopped.

    BTW - My thoughts and prayers go out to ALL the victims; those shot, the community and the shooter.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference.” -- George Washington

    The Constitution's words don't need an explanation or an excuse. The answer to life's most pressing issues, including the 2nd amendment, won't come from taking away a constitutional right or trying to subvert it with "common sense" ideas.

  • brownderby Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Seems to me that the local media in Columbus is trying to make a big deal out of this by setting up their cameras and reporter in front of the temple while putting in the fine print that it had nothing to do with the temple. Then our readers here take the bait and continue to make something out of nothing by bringing the LDS Church into the discussion. Ease up.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    To Cinci man: So what viable solution do you "conservatives" have to the daily slaughter of Americans by the gun toaters?

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    Re: Runner

    By your reasoning then we should also get rid of cars, swimming pools, electricity, tall buildings, airplanes, knives, ect.ect. ect. ect........ because people also die from car accidents, drowning, electrocution, falls, plane crashes, bleeding..........

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Feb. 27, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Meckofahess
    Read the comment from OPEN MINDED MORMON. There is a voice of reason. "Access to guns" ought to be addressed, and "mental illness" ought to be addressed. Access to guns is a far distance from "take guns away from everyone except Obama's family bodyguards" and "background checks on everyone in every situation". I actually like background checks being an improvement, but I am also not so naive as to think that a single one of these shootings in the news lately would have been stopped with background checks. There ought to be severe penalties, including loss of guns, and good education of gun owners on restricting access to their weapons. Mental illness issues are broad and really need attention by the experts. But since Obama is only an event organizer and a campaigner by profession, I doubt he would know what to do on this front. How about bipartisan discussion? Now that would be a change for him.

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Feb. 27, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    m.g. scott,

    If you want to have a serious discussion about gun control, then fine, let's do so, but don't bring up this ridiculous argument that cars, swimming pools, electricity, etc are in the same context of handguns. I ask you, what is the purpose of a handgun? Does it really provide any useful utility other than sport or a hobby? They are deadly weapons intended to kill. That is what they are. Just admit the truth. And, they should be controlled and monitored so that they do not continue to harm other people.

    By they way, there are controlling laws and regulations for every one of those items you mentioned in an effort to protect life.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Feb. 27, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    If the shooting had nothing to do with the temple, then *why* did you put them together in the headline?

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Feb. 27, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Runner,
    I ask you to do some research. The CDC will show you that baseball bats kill > 11 times the number of people that guns do. Do we ban baseball? The CDC will show you that cars kill > 34 times the number of people that guns do. Do we ban cars? This issue has nothing to do with saving lives, if it did we would have no national pasttime and would walk or ride bikes everywhere. It has to do with control of people.

    “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both” –Benjamin Franklin

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Feb. 27, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    Meckofahess - A return to the family values of yesteryear would be a step in the right direction. A return to the Gospel of Jesus Christ that teaches us to honest, loving, kind, hard working, charitable, and etc. If everyone in society would adhere to the Christian values, most, if not all, of this stuff would go away.

    It is the I want it, I want it now, and I don't care what I have to do or who I have to hurt to get it attitude that is escalating this problem. I hope I am wrong, but I see this thing continually getting worse. With mothers leaving the home to work and children left to their TV's and the internet - the children just learn by roaming the streets. If the children had direction in their lives things would be better.

    Look up "Dirt Roads" on the internet. I don't remember who wrote it but Paul Harvey quoted it on his program. That is where we start.

    None of us wish for this to happen and mourn with those caught up in it.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    Re: Open Minded Mormon "I'll bet mental illness and access to guns will be the common demoninators."

    I would further qualify your hypothesis to "A diagnosis of mental illness, a prescription of psychotropic medication, and access to guns".

    A common denominator in many of the mass killings is that the perpetrators were under medication.

    Many of these medications will have a side effect of "thoughts of suicide". It is not a far reach to think that if the drug could cause thoughts of killing oneself, it could produce thoughts of killing others. Or, maybe these mass killings were attempts at suicide by cop.

    We have become a nation where too many people are medicated. Rather than gun control, let's control the over prescription of drugs.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    Re: Runner

    In response, there are also laws and regulations (thousands of them) that make an effort to provide gun safety. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

    In response to your assertion that guns are intended to kill people, that my friend is why police carry them. And since police cannot be depended upon to provide you with personal safety the wise founders provided the Second Amendment for the right of the individule to be armed.

    And by the way, just what do you propose we do to "control and monitor" guns? Name you poison. And be honest, you sound like you mean eliminate them outright for the private citizen, Correct?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" actually most criminals use illegally purchased guns, so a background check wouldn't do anything.

    The headline is misleading. The shooting was in the neighborhood of the LDS temple

    To those of you that think that taking guns away is the solution, plese explain why Mexico and much of south and central america have significantly higher homicide rates with firearms than the US. Those nations also have more strict gun laws than the US.

    The bigger question is why are you so afraid of guns? You realize that you are more likely to have somebody kill you with their fists, feet, or other blunt objects than they are to kill you with a gun.

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    Feb. 27, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Cinci Man

    FT MITCHELL, KY

    @isrred
    And according to you liberals, this shooting wouldn't have happened if you took away my guns and had a background check done on his grandmother. Sheez!

    Why is it that conservatives always jump the gun and assume that a remark that doesn't agree with there way of thinking has to be made by a liberal. Not true! There are plenty of conservatives that would have made the same remarks as isrred. It is never a good idea put labels on people without knowing them.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Feb. 27, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    @bandersen

    Bogus quotes about guns from the Founding Fathers aren't exactly helping the conversation. I've found a majority of the gun quotes I find thrown around are distortions or flat-out fabrications.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 27, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    If it there had been no shootings in Aurora and Connecticut these latest shootings would be mostly local news. Now the shootings make national news most of the time. They were not headlines before and now suddenly they are.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    @IJ
    "The CDC will show you that baseball bats kill > 11 times the number of people that guns do."

    11,000 people were murdered with guns last year. There is no way 110,000 people were murdered by baseball bats last year.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    @Redshirt
    "To those of you that think that taking guns away is the solution, plese explain why Mexico and much of south and central america have significantly higher homicide rates with firearms than the US. Those nations also have more strict gun laws than the US."

    Drug cartels.

    Now would you like to explain why Japan, Sweden, France and Germany have homicide rates with firearms that are way lower than the US despite having more strict gun laws than the US?

    Here's the thing though, I don't really think taking guns away is the solution. What I care about most is the expansion of background checks to involve all gun purchases. That doesn't involve taking any guns away from anyone. A limit on magazine clips doesn't take anyone's guns away. A grandfathered in assault weapons ban wouldn't take anyone's guns away. We have the highest gun per person ratio of any nation on the planet (Yemen is second) and that's not going to change even if Obama gets everything he proposed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    @Redshirt
    "The bigger question is why are you so afraid of guns? You realize that you are more likely to have somebody kill you with their fists, feet, or other blunt objects than they are to kill you with a gun."

    Because someone trying to kill me with a gun has much higher odds of success than someone attacking me with other stuff. The same day as Newtown a crazy guy in China went into a school with a knife and stabbed 20 kids roughly the same age as those at Newtown. All of them survived.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Feb. 27, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    Heard on the radio yesterday that citizens of Oakland, California don't feel safe in their homes.They are armed all the time. They can't depend on the cops with budget problems and the cops avoiding some areas. The USA Today had an article about communities in Mexico have taken it upon themselves to protect themselves and communities because the cops and politicins can't or won't. Also some 30,000 prisioners where released by the Feds last friday. So who needs a personal protection gun. If the moral decay of this country keep going the way they are everyone will. Gun free zone means that there are no law abiding citizens armed. But what does this mean to a crimal. No one to shoot back. EASY TAKINGS FOR THE THUG.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Feb. 27, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    I'm not opposed to rules and laws to try to have an orderly distribution of guns among law abiding citizens. Please tell me though, after we have (perhaps) taken away or severly limited guns among law abiding citizens, how do we get guns away from criminals?

  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    Feb. 27, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    According to Ch 6 Soth Sin, 33 came from Cambodia and married Sokkha Chant, 65 to be able to stay in the country.. I see NO deportations and a U visa

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    To "atl134" so lets summarize your statments.

    It is organized crime that has the guns and uses them to commit murder. And in nations, such as Japan, Sweden, France and Germany, where organized crime is less prevalent has fewer gun related homicides.

    So, why go after guns, when the problem is organized crime? It is like going after speeders by limiting tire purchases.

    So then you also show that without an armed populace you get the same types of attacks in China that we get in the US. In Japan you have the Osaka School Massacre wich killed multiple people without the use of a gun.

    You want to disarm people so that criminals have an easier time killing people and so that we are dependant on waiting for the police to show up before our children can be defended.