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  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 12:57 a.m.

    With each gun sold, rules of gun safety should be
    provided.

    If and only if such rules are followed, can a gun in
    your home make your home safer. Otherwise
    a gun in a home makes it less safe.

  • Shuzzie53 HAYWARD, CA
    Feb. 24, 2013 1:06 a.m.

    Utah gun nuts.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 4:28 a.m.

    Background checks work. Leaders from law enforcement overwhelmingly concur on this. I don't support an assault weapons ban, but eliminating the gunshow loophole on background checks seems like a no-brainer to me.

  • Allen Salt Lake valley, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 5:02 a.m.

    I've reread the Second Amendment several times, and it sounds to me that that amendment states that owning guns is a conditional right of people, they have the right to own guns so there will be people with guns available for the militia. At the time that amendment was written, states and the Federal government provided no guns for members of the militia. Militia members had to provide their own guns. However, things are different today. When I was a member of the Utah National Guard, my Guard unit provided my M1 rifle, carbines, machine guns, bazookas, and howitzers for use during my training. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights makes no mention of gun registration or background checks, so those two things are not protected by the Second Amendment.

    I support the right of citizens to have guns, but I hope we citizens will have enough honesty to not claim that freedom from gun registration and background checks is supported by the Constitution.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 6:36 a.m.

    The NRA is evil. It used to really represent sportsmen, but no more. It is an extremist group, and I am appalled that Utahns Utahns are into the excessive lust for guns. It is beyond unseemly. And I cannot fathom how they square it with the Gospel of Christ.

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    Feb. 24, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    No registration! No compliance! No compromise! We TeaPublicans along with the NRA members are NOT going to let the government take our weapons! We will not let law enforcement take our weapons! I am worried that any attempt from obama to take our guns might start an armed rebellion! We will not give up our guns so I guess you can TRY to put us in jail. We need a leader like Ted Nugent (supported by FoxNews, Michele Bachman, Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist, Sarah Palin, Gingrich, Dick Morris, O’Riley, Hannity, Beck and Malkin) to guide us down a path of resistance to the government gun grab! Radio talk show host Alex Jones said “you darn right 1776 will happen again and the Republic will rise again if the government tries to take our guns”! Just remember what Thomas Jefferson said: “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute a new government…”. TeaPublicans will take back America in 2014 and 2016 and we will take back those gun laws too!

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Voting is a constitutionally guaranteed right, but you don't have that right if you're not registered to vote.

    The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutionally guaranteed right, so why should it be forbidden to require gun owners to register their guns?

    The NRA is becoming more out of touch every day.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Constitutional rights critic Holyhoak argues:
    "Buying a gun should be at least as hard as getting a drivers license."

    Well, criminals get drivers licenses (if they bother to get one at all) just like the get guns-- illegally. Fake driver licenses are readily available here in Utah, along with all sorts of other fake ID. All of which, by the way, will enable a criminal to use their new fake identity to buy a gun- even with a background check.

    And, does Holyhoak also want DMV style bureaucratic interference with anyone wanting to speak out on issues, write for a newspaper or a blog? How about getting the official state approved card and registration before you can attend the church or your choice, if deemed "suitable"?

    As for proof registration leads to confiscation- California already did it with certain "assault weapons" and confiscation (euphemistically "surrendering to the state without compensation") is included in several bills introduced in several state legislatures.

    Our rights ARE under attack, and the very foundation of our nation, the Constitution, is under attack. The founders adopted the Second Amendment to ensure citizens could defend against a tyrannical government, hoping it would never be needed.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Those tragic events to which he refers to as 'opportunities', presumably because he sees them as times when people are more willing to consider some sort of gun restrictions, they're not opportunities. They're symptoms. Signs of a sick environment or society. If you want to call them opportunities, call them missed opportunities, because what we've done up to this point, which is absolutely nothing, is not working.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    "Buying a gun should be at least as hard as getting a drivers license." Oh contrare Mr. Holyhoak. A drivers license is not guaranteed by the Constitution. Being able to own a gun is. You remember what the Constitution is don't you sir? Liberals only know it when it suits their agenda. "Gun Control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars".

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    "He did not make himself available to answer questions from reporters, nor did he provide any evidence that universal background checks would become a stepping stone to a registry leading to confiscation of weapons."

    Doing what LaPiere does best! Run around the country selling the Chicken Little based scenerio that big brother is coming to take our guns, big brother is the enemy, we need more guns, more ammo, bigger clips. Get the gunners whipped into a frenzy and the next thing we will hear is we need gun ports in our homes and land mines in the lawn to stop the "big brother invaders".

    In the same article the statement was made "it should be as hard to get a gun permit as it is to get a drivers licence" but then again who knows, big brother might use the DL data base to come and confiscate our tanks and armored vehicles, after all big brother is lurking just around the corner! What LaPierre fails to mention in all his diatribes is the money factor which is after all what drives the NRA!

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Feb. 24, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    Wonder what the DN was trying to convey with their photos of sweet little babies around gun people.
    Like other polar opposites in the universe, those two do not mesh.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Wayne LaPierre in Utah spreading even more scare stories for those gullible enough to swallow them.

    Hopefully, not all of us will be as gullible and paranoid as a few of the posters here have been this morning. It's encouraging to see that the majority of posts here this morning contain some good sense and have not fallen for the "gonna get your guns" lies of the NRA.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Checks are coming. The gun lobby must agree to some new legislation. The "everyone can have any type of arm at any time" mentality will result in eventual repeal of the Second amendment. Extremism and radical anarchy in defense of unlimited fire power will "backfire". While it may be fun to blast off 1000 rounds playing rambo at the range, should everyone be obsessed by weapons designed to kill animals and people.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 24, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    Utah has more firearm deaths per capita than California.

    In 2010 Utah ranked in the top 10 for number of suicides per capita. In 2010, 473 people in UT died from suicide, and 52 deaths from homicide. In 2010 there were 314 deaths from firearms in UT and 272 deaths from motor vehicle accidents.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    wayne lapierre for president...

    Failed to provide any evidence...

    "...He did not make himself available to answer questions from reporters, nor did he provide any evidence that universal background checks would become a stepping stone to a registry leading to confiscation of weapons...".

    Failed the strawman gambit...

    "...Feinstein's bill actually would not impact any legally owned gun of those attending LaPierre's speech because it would not be retroactive. It also would exempt 2,200 hunting and sporting weapons and would make exempt any gun manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action...".

    As far as wraping words around the second amendment...

    An interesting fact of the story is that it is part of the Business section.

    wayne lapiere is nothing more than a front man/sales person for the weapons industry.

    "...But Saturday's gathering was a time for emotion, not specifics...".

    Exactly.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    one vote: The Comstitution can not be changed no matter what people think. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    snowman says: " The Comstitution can not be changed no matter what people think."

    Have you ever heard the word "Amdendment?"

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Feb. 24, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    was this a news story or an opinion piece? At least try to hide your disgust enough to report the story or should someone else have been sent to cover it? Did you have to get a licence to be a journalist because your practice of the craft could be grounds for getting the licence revoked.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Simpler, but equally accurate version of the story:

    Huckster comes to Utah, shouts "OBAMA! Booga-Booga-Booga!"

    Huckster shakes his fist in air, roars, and then thumps his chest.

    The crowd goes wild.

    The money flows.

    Huckster is happy.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Love the NRA! True American grown - constitution defending organization. I am a proud member and I thank heaven for the work the NRA does and what they represent. The communist left in this county won't stop until they have a total gun ban in the US and the NRA is right there to slam their fingers in the door. All the Constitution haters won't stop their gun ban campaign but all the hunters, and citizen who cherish the right to protect themselves and their family will never ever stop fighting against the forces of communism either.

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    One Old Man,

    You must not be reading news the last two months. There has been a massive, unprecedented push to implement new gun laws. It is not paranoia when the message is before our eyes daily.

    Regarding the Second Amendment only being for militia, there is a very good way to expose that fallacy. Read the writings of the founders regarding the subject. For some strange reason, many people believe we should be able to put our own interpretations on documents and that it does not matter what the intent was. I find that illogical in the extreme. Most of the founders were highly educated historians and they had seen the pattern of tyranny when governments had no checks from their citizens. Read what they had to say.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    This article is more about the bias of the so-called "reporter" than anything else.

    First, she claims LaPierre "provided no evidence" that registration will lead to confiscation. Apparently she doesn't read other stories appearing in the DNews. On A13 of the print edition, also available online, is a report of a Justice Dept. memo that suggests such. As usual, the Administration is calling the memo "an unfinished review" (typical move from the BO playbook, let some flunky leak it to see if it flies, then disavow when it hits the ground).

    Second, she has forgotten her high school driver's ed class. She quotes Mr. Holyhoak's musings about firearms and driver licenses without also mentioning that while driving on the public roadways is a privilege, self-defense is a constitutional right embodied by the Second Amendment guarantee that citizens may "keep and bear arms."

    The quality of journalism at the DNews is slipping badly.

  • not here COLORADO SPRINGS, CO
    Feb. 24, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    If i may can i ask all you constitution's and gun nuts a question please? Can any of you please put in print just where it says that you can have bullets? I know it say you can own fire arms but i have yet to see where it says you can own bullets. Well gun nuts and constitution's please reply if you dare.

  • not here COLORADO SPRINGS, CO
    Feb. 24, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    All so if the FEDS come for your ammo theres othig in the constitution that bands them from that. As far as i know unless i missed it some where.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    one old man: It's still part of the constitution and it can not be changed.

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    Mental Illness is a serious problem in Utah. Utah family's have many children. There is a very good likelihood that in a large family, one member, or more have some degree of mental illness; depression anxiety, etc. That being said, I find it very dangerous that household's in Utah have guns in their homes. A good friend of mine lost his son to suicide; by a gun. He had know idea that his son had mental issues. He was young. But his son did know where the gun cabinet was and how to get into it. Think seriously about this matter people!

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    This just solidifies the notion that rational thinking is not part of the NRA or the people that support them.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    Snowman wrote: "It's still part of the constitution and it can not be changed."

    Now we know why we have to have a required course in U.S. Government for every high school student in Utah. Perhaps only then will Utah's conservatives then understand that the instructions for changing the Constitution were written within the Constitution by the Founding Fathers themselves.

  • Democrat Provo, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    Regardless of which side you take on this issue, we all need to be a little savvier. Judicially: gun rights are as strong as they have ever been in this Republic (2nd Amendment now enforced against states as well as Federal Gov't and viewed by courts as an individual rather than collective right in the past decade).

    Politically: Gun rights are stronger than ever. Even when Dems controlled both houses 2008-2010 they didn't try to revive an assualt weapons ban of the 1990s, which is the most they could have hoped for. Harry Reid is stronly pro gun and so are the House Republicans.

    Follow the money: Gun makers, dealers and the NRA make millions by you and me thinking that our rights are going to be taken away. Read a real newspaper instead of right-wing radio and you will know that there is not such threat of anyone's guns being taken a way.

  • Gkwahlberg Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    @cjb "With each gun sold, rules of gun safety should be provided." That is already the csse. For a quite a few years, every new firearm purchased comes with a manual that outlines gun safety.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    @Allen

    The right was guaranteed to the PEOPLE.

    not to the state,

    and certainly not to state militias.

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    -
    To be a well regulated militia the people must as powerful as the federal government.

    Thomas Jefferson:

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

    Thomas Jefferson:

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Quoting Cesare Beccaria)

    Thomas Jefferson

    The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

    Finally, Thomas Jefferson:

    No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.

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    -
    Now can any one here claim to know more about the 2nd amendment than Thomas Jefferson?

  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    I thought Amy was a news reporter, not an editorial writer.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 7:32 p.m.

    Re Allen

    There are times when a government sponsored
    militia can't get there in time. (hurricane Katrina
    remember?)

    This is one of the reasons why our constitution
    provides for the possibility of people sponsored
    Militias.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    Law abiding citizens get uneasy with a government that is already treating its citizens as subjects, rather than citizens. Words have meaning, including those in our constitution, something many of our politicians and too many of our citizens show contempt. Read the word of God, read the Constitution, and ponder what the words mean in each. You can't take away a law abiding citizen's right, an unalienable right, without making our society more violent,less kind, less helpful, less charitable, and less Godly. America is unlike any other country in the world with our God-given rights, including the right to bear arms. All those rights, which carry equal responsibilies based on God's laws and teachings, and society changes for the better.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    not here:

    Your question is absurd. That's like saying that while you honor the constitutional right of a free exercise of religion, there is no constitutional right for churches to own buildings for their members to meet in.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    Oatmeal: I took a U S Government class in high school. The Constitution can not be changed in anyway.

  • not here COLORADO SPRINGS, CO
    Feb. 24, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    @ Johninslc:

    Sir you have not answered my question. Do's this mean you can not or that you refuse to? And it was a simple question. Any one else like to answer it?

  • Drifter Provo, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    All of these comments are against the NRA, of which I am a member. Talk about prejudice, you guys have it in spades. No wonder I never bother to read your news? paper.

  • not here COLORADO SPRINGS, CO
    Feb. 25, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    @ drifter:

    Sir you have just made you self look like afool by not only reading all the way to the end but replying. And there is noting prejudice about what is being said about the NRA. It is people that carry there feelings on there sleaves that are affended.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    Not Here:

    The 2nd Amendment reads, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". The primary meaning of "arms" is weapons considered collectively (including bullets). The Constitution doesn't specifically say "firearm" but the Supreme Court in 2008 ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms.

    Being that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to give the citizens the ability to protect ourselves, it would be impossible to do with an unloaded gun. That would be infringing on our rights.

    If it were so easy to "ban bullets" to solve the gun violence problem in our country, anti-gun crazies would have done it a long time ago.

    So, you're from the same state as Joe Salazar, are you?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    @JohnInSLC

    The bill of rights does not create rights or give rights, it GUARANTEES rights.

    And the constitution only gived a few specific powers to the government.

    When you examine the 9th and 10th amendments, we the people (and the states) have all the rights. So churches do have right to own buildings and their members to meet in them.

    We own all the rights, not government.

    We can see the liberal government over stepping and wanting to control everything and everyone,

    whether it is soda size or guns.

    The questions is why do you want the government to have such unfettered power over your life?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 26, 2013 5:50 a.m.

    Interesting how we want limits on pornography and vulgarity, etc. which one could argue are protected by the first amendment, but at the same time we want no limits on guns which are protected by the second. Just proves how we can justify whatever we want.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Feb. 26, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    @the truth

    "Now can any one here claim to know more about the 2nd amendment than Thomas Jefferson?"

    Considering that:
    1) Several of your quotes are fabrications misattributed to Thomas Jefferson (easily discovered in a 30 second internet search); and

    2) Thomas Jefferson had precisely zero involvement in drafting the Second Amendment - or the rest of the Constitution for that matter

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say I know much more about the Second Amendment than the strawmen you're putting up.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 26, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Constitution transforming to Obama care?

    Will we model Cuba? At least they have gun control, and national health care.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Feb. 26, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Eastcoastcoug-
    I’m not sure about your point on pornography/gun rights. Pornography for adults isn’t against the law, but the First Amendment doesn’t protect child pornography or obscenity. Because I know people are going to break those laws, and because I don’t want it in my home, I do what is necessary to protect my family from pornography. Maybe it’s prevalent in the east, but I don’t really hear much about people fighting for pornography rights. Care to share?

    In case you’ve forgotten, Adam Lanza tried to buy a rifle prior to his shooting, but was denied because of existing gun laws. There are also laws against murder, but no law kept him from murdering innocent children and women. Because I know people are going to break laws, I own a gun to protect myself and my family, just like I try to protect them from pornography.

    Criminals don’t care about laws.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 27, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    Many police around the country are urging people
    to have a gun. They say due to budget cuts they
    can't respond in time to all who need them.