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BYU and the Big 12: Why playing on Sunday matters to the Big 12 Conference

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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    I love Sunday games. I dont think God cares either. If you go with your family to a ball game on Sunday, he's just as fine with that as if you go on a Satuday.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Chris, apparently you have never read Nehemiah 10:31, nor have you read and understood the 4th Commandment, Keep the sabbath day holy.Six days shall thou work. If we buy tickets on Sunday we are violating Nehemiah 10:31. Those playing have to work, thus violation of the sabbath. Yes, police have to work because crooks don't take a day off, nor do crazy stupid drivers. Hospitals have to work because people get sick and hurt. People running power plants have to work to keep electricity coming to us.

    Sports do NOT have to be played on Sunday. Money hungry, power grabbing entities push that on us.

    God will hold each person responsible for the violation of His Commandments. Your thinking it is wrong is exactly what Satan wants us to think. After all if we are involved in sports (watching or participating) we most likely will not be involved in church.

  • FB Fan #2 Grantsville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Chris, you are in no position whatsoever to say what God thinks. Games do not HAVE to be played on Sunday. Every other day of the week works just as fine.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    @CougarBlue,

    Do you eat breakfast on Sundays? Do you drive your car? Do you read books? watch tv? check your email? use your cell phone? Ride your bike?

    Who gets to decide what is breaking the sabbath and what is not? God just said Keep the Sabbath day holy. What if that means to me just think about God a little more?

    Why is my definition of keeping it holy not right, but yours is?

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    BYU should just stay independent in football and lobby the Catholic 7 to allow them to join a new conference for other sports. Over time BYU's independence would become more valuable than any conference's individual share, especially with the added exposure that would come from competing in the best basketball conference in the country.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    BYU is right where they need to be.
    Independence with ESPN is perfect for BYU and the WCC and Mountain-Pacific Conferences are great for the Olympic sports.

    It's the nature of the beast.
    BYU will not relinquish their own network or ESPN deal and Sunday play?...forget it.

    Therefore, they are set.
    BYU's access to the playoff is as good as anyone elses.
    The BCS is dead.

    If BYU wants a better bowl situation, then they should start their own.
    Money talks. Payouts drive contracts, not tradition.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    @sls

    Why would BYU leave the WCC for Eastern and Midwest schools.
    Think travel.

  • YGradFan CENTERVILLE, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Chrissy B., Wow, I didn't realize it was up to you to decide what it means to "keep the sabbath day holy", and how to keep it holy. I'm glad to see that it is up to you to make God's decisions. By that logic, I guess it's up to each one of us whether or not to kill and in what manner, whether to commit adultery and decide what consitutes adultery, whether or not to covet and what really constitutes coveting, etc.

    In addition, if you are going to treat Sunday the same as any other day of the week, then how are you truly keeping the sabbath day holy? It's no different than any other day. And how much are you really "thinking about God" sitting at a football or basketball game?

    As far as I'm concerned, if this is the reason that some of the conferences are not inviting BYU, then they are better off to stay independent. As the article said, they will never play on Sunday...and it should stay that way.

  • AllSeeingEye Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    Sure would have been interesting if the author had provided a climpse into the current Big 12 practice regarding Sunday play. How many Big 12 sports hold Sunday games? Has this always been the case? Would it be possible for a team to avoid Sunday games but still be part of the schedule? It's certainly not a problem for football games, because no college football games are played on Sunday--so, would it be a possibility for BYU to join the Big 12 conference and compete in sports that don't compete on Sundays? Or, maybe just join for football?

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    sigh, I see that my little sister has continued her BYU-envy temper tantrum onto another blog.

    She's welcome to her own opinion of what God thinks about Sunday sports, but BYU needs to follow the dictates of its own collective conscience in doing what it thinks is right.

    BYU has competed in the MPSF for years in a variety of sports against teams from throughout the western part of the United States, including teams like UCLA, USC and Stanford.

    Only a few conference games are played on Sunday, so it's really not that big of an inconvenience for teams not to play BYU on Sunday. There are plenty of other teams that are willing to play on Sunday.

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    Independent means alone.

    Get used to it.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Scott Farcus

    Independent means NOT Dependent.

    Get used to being a well-paid whipping boy.

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    I couldn't care less if we are independent. We still have a great schedules for our teams. If we go undefeated then we'll break into the BCS. Meanwhile we are making a boatload of money that we don't have to split with anyone. If we can just develop an offense in football, what's not to like. Utah is getting kicked all over the field and court. Theirs is not an example I am anxious to emulate.

  • agarrett PROVO, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    @Chris B
    What day of the week is Satuday? Is it right after Fryday?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    YGradfan,

    Your comment makes no sense. I'm asking who gets to decide what is keeping teh sabbath day holy. Cougarblue suggests that going to a game on Sunday breaks the sabbath. He also says working on sunday breaks the sabbath.

    My question is "says who"

    And NO, its not God. God just said "keep the sabbath holy"

    Where does God say "you can't work sundays" or "you cant go to sports on sundays"

    I'm asking, who gets to decide what is breaking the sabbath?

    And if you say God, please show me in the Bible where God said going to a sports game on a Sunday is breaking the sabbath.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    BYUtah Fan said:

    "I couldn't care less if we are independent. We still have a great schedules for our teams. If we go undefeated then we'll break into the BCS. Meanwhile we are making a boatload of money that we don't have to split with anyone. If we can just develop an offense in football, what's not to like. Utah is getting kicked all over the field and court. Theirs is not an example I am anxious to emulate."

    Well they could have stayed in the MWC to avoid Sunday play. But chose more exposure and the money that goes with it. You see they were chasing the money after all.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    Of course it matters; who wants a new team telling the rest of the conference what days they will, and will not play on? Why can't they give the athletes a waiver like they do in the NFL and NBA. It's time for a revelation!

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    @Chris B

    It's fun to see your comments on the Utah pages, but we can't be pot calling the kettle black on their pages. Let's keep of theirs and keep their teams discussion amongst their fans :)

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Feb. 21, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    I'm surprised the article doesn't mention the big recent discussions by the BIG 12 to lobby the NCAA to do away with the 12 member requirement for a football championship game. The BIG 12 thinks that that is overregulation by the NCAA and they think they legitimately have a chance to get that requirement waived. I don't see why they need one but their point is that they should be able to determine their champion however they want.

    @Chris B - Although the Bible contains many of God's words, the Bible does not contain all of God's words. The word of God spoken through living prophets and apostles has greater authority than the words of past prophets and apostles. Although its odd that you choose to come in and comment on almost every BYU article about how it relates to the Utes and their membership in the PAC-12 conference, you clearly are one to cling to small-mindedness if you truly believe (1) that God can't give modern-day revelation or (2) that He chooses not to.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    It's been my understanding since 16 months ago that FOX in particular felt troubled about BYU entering the league with such a strict policy particularly if it was only going to reamin at 10 schools. The Big 12 media partners have seeminly indicated BYU would work in that league with 12 or more schools where they have more work-arounds available to them.

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    Nice argument. Guess how many times Kansas played a Sunday TV game this season? That's right, it was 0.

    And the Big 12 championship game? On a Saturday.

    This article is speculation and reading between the lines.

    Colleges do not have to play on Sunday, and most of the time, they do not. If the Big 12 really wanted BYU, Sunday play would not be an issue.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 1:19 a.m.

    What's the big deal? Stay independent and continue to read the absolutely hilarious posts by Chris B about the PAC 12 bottom feeders. Life is good.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 22, 2013 1:56 a.m.

    I Bleed blue, but I am sorry, those of you who claim that BYU is in a better spot as an Indy in Football and a member of the Catholic 7 or the WCC for Olympic sports are either out of your minds or don't understand the importance of Real Exposure to a College Sports Program...

    The Big 12 would give BYU far better Recruiting Capability, a far greater viewership, and tons more money than we will ever make from an ESPN contract...

    College Sports is entertainment and the athletes are actors and actresses that either make or break the quality of the show... If you can't entice top athletes to play for you, you will become less competitive and fewer fans will follow you... You won't be able to schedule as well and the Networks will eventually leave you... The quality of coaching will also suffer...

    If we were to be honest, since leaving the MWC our sports programs have gotten worse, not better... Football recruiting was very weak this year (zero 5 stars, one 4 star, and a locker room full of 2 stars)... Without Lone Peak HS Basketball would be in the same boat.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 5:27 a.m.

    What's missing in this blog is how football a revenue sport pays for the non-revenue sports that are played on Sundays. Ask yourself how willing would the schools of a conference feel about sharing revenue dollars with another school without their participation and support in the non revenue sports? One of the reasons for inviting BYU to any conference would be their non-revenue sports teams.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 22, 2013 5:32 a.m.

    "Utah is getting kicked all over the field and court. Theirs is not an example I am anxious to emulate."

    I am a BYU fan as well.... butI don't think any BYU fans should be running around thumping their chest about any of BYUs sports results either. As for example... if you listen to Mike and Mike in the morning.... just how many times is BYU talked about. If sports, for kids that want to go on to the next level, its about exposure. If you not on nationally, you are not getting exposure. How many BYU basketball games were on national TV this year... on a channel that anyone watches.

    I think before my fellow BYU fans get to chuffed - they need to realize that outside of Utah which represents less than1 percent of the Nation.... not many people are talking about BYU.

    And yes, I agree, college sports should not be played on sundays. Even secularly, everyone needs a day off.

  • Smart Aleck Vancouver, WA
    Feb. 22, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    While these are legitimate issues, there are easy solutions for all of them. ADs, school presidents and conference administrators acting responsibly can find ways to make conference membership mutually beneficial.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Feb. 22, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    @ Chris B.

    I believe if you read the Ten Commandments you will find that 4 verses are for the Sabbath Day. Read carefully, understand that God makes it plain that not only do we not work but should do our best to keep others from working. Your point is not solid even though the modern chooses to ignore this commandment and the others.

    12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

    13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:

    14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine a.., nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

    15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Feb. 22, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    BYU likes not competing for titles. Let's just face it.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    @Lone Star Cougar

    Also remember, that the traditional Sabbath is actaully Saturday.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    @Lone Star and ALL other byu fans:

    You STILL aren't answering the question.

    If God is the one who decides what is breaking the sabbath, please show me where God said watching a sports game is breaking the sabbath.

    What if the man I believe speaks for God(the Pope) says the keeping the sabbath just means in your heart thinking more about God.

    Why is the Pope wrong but your church is right?

    God never said you cant play sports on Sunday.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 22, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    As much as I might disagree with Chris B. on most posts (and wonder why he cares so much about BYU sports), in this case, we have not handled this issue as we should as BYU/LDS people.

    I would just say: Chris, I like your idea of thinking more about God on Sunday. Our way of doing that is to engage in activities (where we have discretion) that allow us to maximize that opportunity. We do that by spending time in church services with our families, doing service and other activities that help others and strengthen our most important relationships. We feel that certain kinds of recreation which we do other days e.g. attending sporting events detracts from that goal.

    That is our belief and our particular promise to God to live that way. We invite you and others to try this and see if it doesn't help you and your family in your life. It's your choice. You are not obligated to live that way, nor do we disrespect your personal decisions. We just ask for your respect of our way of life.

  • YGradFan CENTERVILLE, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    @Chrissy B., No one was questioning whether your form of worshipping God on the sabbath day was right or wrong. What I was questioning, and back to my original point, is that it is not up to you to decide how and when to worship God. If it was up to each of us, then we could all do what we wanted with his commandments and justify our actions in following them one way or another. If it isn't clear for you in the Bible, then you need to go to your church leaders for clarification.

    And, no, the Bible doesn't just say, keep the sabbath day holy. There are many other passages in the bible that give you an idea as to the types of things you should or should not do on the sabbath, as provided examples by other posters.

    If worse comes to worse, and you're not sure what God intended when he asked you to keep the sabbath day holy, I have some additional scriptures and literature that will help clarify it for you. :) Just in case you are interested. :)

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    YGrad fan and all other byu fans:

    I began this back and forth by saying God does not care if we go to sports games on Sundays.

    You all strongly disagreed.

    I'm asking for evidence God has said sports are wrong on Sundays.

    Why is this so difficult for you to answer.

    I"ll ask again:

    Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?

    Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?

    Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?

    Once more:

    Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    BYUtah Fan is right. If BYU runs an undefeated season they will break into the BCS and the conference schools will want us. And with BYU's schedule it won't take multiple undefeated years like Utah.

    Except for Louisville, the only schools to break into the BCS are those that first break into the BCS Bowls and win.

  • Newsjunky Centerville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    Somehow I feel like the article missed the headline a bit. It talks about that BYU will not play on Sunday's and that maybe some TV giants don't like that, but I was expecting a detailed explanation with numbers and figures of the impact. This series of articles has not provided any news to me.

  • Irrelevant Provo, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    @Chris B

    3rd Nephi 11:29 "For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of acontention is not of me, but is of the bdevil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."

    I love the Utes on BYU's articles.... I feel like some people wait by their computers all day for a chance to attack someone... not cool

    In other news, how about them Jazz eh?

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    If I chose not to read any Chris B comments on Sunday, would this be considered a day of rest?

  • T.S.Zarathrustra Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    ". . . Well paid whipping boy . . .?". My understanding is that BYU makes far less from TV revenue than anyone in the PAC 12, BIG 10, BIg 12, SEC or ACC. I'm sure the actual figures could easily be abstracted from public records with the investment of an hour or so. Why don't one of you who believes that BYU is making a lot of money from independence do the research and share with us what you learn.

  • YGradFan CENTERVILLE, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    @Chrissy B., Fine, I was trying to smooth things over, and you continue with your silly remarks. If you insist...where does God say that sports are good on Sundays? You want a scriptural reference for something that doesn't exist, and didn't exist back at the time the Bible was written. So do I. I don't recall God ever saying that it was good to go see a football game on Sundays. Please provide reference.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 22, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    BYU will not play on Sundays. It is what it is and has always been. Yet I knew once this article hit the news we would have all the attackers and defenders in a frenzy.

    Sunday play is a central topic when considering conference affiliation. But rather BYU stays independent or not, they are not playing on Sundays.

    Now I get somewhat annoyed with the schedule comparisons between Utah and BYU but if I were BYU, I would have a lot of reason to stay independent.

    You get ESPN (exposure), control your BYU TV stuff (utilizing your assets), play good match ups (despite the bad ones), will go bowling even if you win less than half your tougher games once the lesser schedule kicks in (next year an exception though), and aren't controlled by a conference telling you were you fit in.

    I understand many BYU wanting in the Big 12, but lashing out at Holmoe without understanding the parameters he works with is ignorant. But it's no different than fans everywhere wanting their coaches and GMs fired all to often.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 22, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    @Chris B.

    Read my post. There was no "Sports on Sunday" in Moses' day, or Jesus' day for that matter. We take "day of rest" to mean we don't do the same things on Sunday that we do the other 6 days. I hope you will allow us to practice our religion this way and hope others will respect you for how you do it. I have many good friends who are Catholic.

    Not too long ago, most people of faith in the US and Europe didn't play sports on Sunday. People spent their time with their families and went to church. Europeans still keep their shops (mostly) closed on Sunday.

    Most sports are a business and as all businesses have done, they've extended their business hours over a day (Sunday) that used to be "family time". Sunday has become like all other days mainly for money. Sure we can take our kids to a ball game or movie, but I think that quality time is found doing things with more interaction like visiting 1:1, playing board games or cards, taking a walk together, etc. And...I personally need a break from the week.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    Ygradfan,

    Very poor reasoning. God doesn't say it's ok to eat on sabbath. He doesn't say it's ok to breathe on the sabbath. He doesn't say it's ok to talk on the sabbath. We all agree god doesn't have to say its ok to eat breathe or talk on the sabbath for those to be ok. You guys are the ones claiming sports aren't ok. You are the one who drew the line making talking and breathing ok but sports not ok.

    Again, why do you get to draw the line? Or if its god drawing the line, where does he say sports are bad but eating and breathing are ok? Please let's have a logical conversation here.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    East coast,

    Forgive me for pointing out your inconsistencies. You say you take day of rest to mean you don't do things on Sunday you do other days but that's not true. You eat Sundays? You walk Sundays? You talk on the phone? But you do those thing other days? I am simply asking why you byu fans can tell me I am wrong in saying sports are ok?

    It is you byu fans who jumped on me saying I was wrong that god is ok with Sunday sports.

    I never said I command you to watch sports Sundays. So please stop with the "please let us practice out religion". You guys are the ones attempting to change my behavior. Never once in my posts have I told you you have to watch sports.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    I am fine if you people disagree, but is it too much to ask for logical responses?

    Who gets to say what is ok and what is not ok?

    AND(This is the part you guys aren't being logical with)

    Where does it say that eating, walking, breathing, talking on phone, board games, checking email, sleeping, watching tv, combing your hair, driving your car, using electricity, are ok but watching sports isn't?

    It's you guys telling me its wrong. Never have I said you have to do it, so drop the victim card like I am not allowing you to follow your religion.

  • BYUSU Wellsville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 7:00 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    A BYU article and you have commented 10 times so far. Do you have a need to be the center of attention. I believe many others like me would like to read comments from others instead of you. After the first couple of posts you have provided nothing new.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 7:34 p.m.

    Why does it matter to it's detractors what BYU does or doesn't do? For one, though BYU isn't perfect, it does have somewhat different priorities than a lot of schools. I personally believe the church leaders would shut down any of its programs if they felt they were forced into a situation against those priorities. BYU is OWNED by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. When it comes to asking who says it's wrong to play on Sunday, it comes down to believing in a Prophet who speaks for God. You may not believe that Thomas S. Monson is a prophet. But please accept that he is the head of the church that owns the school. He and the others on the board of directors have the prerogative to determine policy for BYU. So far it has worked out for BYU to follow its board of directors. What's to criticize? I believe it's trying to follow its conscience, trying not to hurt anyone. Other schools are free to participate as they wish. I believe BYU will succeed in its teaching mission to the degree it follows it's board.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    Byusu,

    Forgive me for sticking up for myself after everyone attacks me for my beliefs. It is my belief god is fine with Sunday sports. If you say I am wrong, please be willing to have a logical discussion of why I am wrong

  • Moracle Blackshear, GA
    Feb. 22, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    As much as I hate to admit it, Sunday has to mean a huge viewing audience and advertising dollar day for the networks. I expect they would exert all the pressure and influence they can to keep Sunday play in the works, and non-Sunday playing teams out. Also, judging from BYU's past few seasons, the viewing audience for their games is likely to be slim, until they have better stats, and that's not a draw for the other teams to want them in the mix. I think they would see it as a loss of revenue from any standpoint.

    We just have to do better as a team to have clout in negotiating inclusion. We have to represent an increase in revenue to other Big 12 teams as well as to the networks.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 22, 2013 9:35 p.m.

    Who cares. I've grown ambivalent about BYU and the Big-12-2.

  • bored Lindon, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 12:18 a.m.

    @Lone Star, I like your explanation. Here's my 2 cents: BYU doesn't seem to care about recruiting, exposure, etc, etc. They are simply not going to consider things like every other schools chooses to consider them. And if it works for them, then good for them. Why everyone needs to speculate or have an opinion about all of this "independent vs conference" debate is beyond me. In the final analysis, it's just a game, and each school is capable of making their own decisions about it.

    Funny though, how so many of the discussion head straight back to religion. The article simply states that BYU will never play Sunday games. Pretty simple really, and again, their choice...

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 23, 2013 2:44 a.m.

    @gdog3finally...

    I believe the school thinks exactly like you do on this topic and that is why BYU will never play on the big stage... And because we never will play on the big stage we will continue to see a deterioration of our Recruiting Capability, and the fans will continue to see teams like Idaho, New Mexico State, Eastern Washington, Weber State and Idaho State as their only home games in November...

    That's why players won't be able to play for Conference Championships or all conference selection... In short, that is why BYU will never be able to ling to its glory days in Sports... BYU needs an AD that can push BYU, that has National Credibility with other Universities... But most of all, BYU needs an AD that has the ability to persuade the minds of the Brethern who sit on the Board of Trustees... BYU needs to understand that there is really only one sacred cow in Negotiations and that is "No Sunday Play"... Everything else can be negotiated and adjusted to gain Super Conference Membership.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Feb. 23, 2013 3:22 a.m.

    One very powerful precedent for the Big 12 to recognize more fully is how very well BYU's non-Sunday play fits perfectly well with repeated participation in the NCAA basketball, March madness! It's a non-issue. Plus they see from sports TV leaders, ESPN that BYU brings a huge attraction and appeal to national sports television and revenue! The Big 12 with BYU would be the most successful conference acquisition to date nationally. Only ND would create a bigger media explosion. Undoubtedly, a win-win when - not if-the Big-12 and BYU finally partner up. I'm truly looking forward to it and the Big-12's national prominence!

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 5:18 a.m.

    Football is not an issue. Even when New Years was on Sunday there were no college games.

    Other sports is not an issue with some conferences like the MWC and PCC with no Sunday play.

    The NBA makes exceptions for Sunday home games for Utah, Dallas, and Charlotte.

    Any college conference can make conditions for a religious school. If TV is so big on Sunday, which it is not in college, than give the Sunday money to those that play Sunday. You won't get an argument from the other schools unless the money really isn't there.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Feb. 23, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    Chris B. Why is it so important for you to express your views here? If "we" are so illogical then why even bother to put up with us when we "attack" you?

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    @Chris B.

    I guess what I would say is; you are right, there is no specific place in the Bible that prohibits going to sporting events on Sundays. The principles and doctrines regarding Sunday observance are there in abundance, but the specifics of sporting events aren't. But as far as who gets to say it's wrong, it would be the prophet. HE gets to speak for the Lord. Modern revelation allows for many clarifications of different commandments.

    Now I would guess you do not believe Thomas S. Monson is a prophet. I accept that. If that is the case, I understand your questioning. For those of us who do believe he is, we are duty-bound to follow him. It's a spiritual thing that can't be described in scientific black and white but is based on a testimony of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Just my opinion.

    (see Doctrine and Covenants 1:38 *. . . my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.*)

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    Feb. 23, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    @Chris B.

    No need to take this personal. When BYU says that it will not play sports on Sunday, you are free to disagree and you don't have to take it personally. BYU is NOT trying to stop the Big 12 from playing on Sundays, they are NOT trying to stop the U, or the Jazz or even its graduates from playing on Sundays.

    BYU is trying to represent the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Church's values and teachings, and its prophet.

    You can mock them for doing so if you choose, but it won't look good on you.

    So, don't get hung up on this if you're not LDS. Move on with your life and your beliefs.

    I'd like to see BYU join the Big 12, however, the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side.

    Generally, when it comes to sports, it's the winning teams who get the press. Sure you'll get more if you do it in a big conference, but it's winning that builds teams and legacies, not affiliations.

    Interesting article, thanks!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 23, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    "Where did God say sports are bad on Sundays?"

    See very concerned's comments.
    Below is a quote from a prophet named Spencer W. Kimball from the 70's who gave a talk entitled, "We Need a Listening Ear."
    "Brethren and sisters, once again I call to our attention the fourth commandment given by the Lord to Moses on Mount Sinai: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy” (Ex. 20:8). Let us observe it strictly in our homes and in our families. Let us refrain from all unnecessary labors. Sunday is not a day for hunting or fishing, nor for swimming, picnicking, boating, or engaging in any other sports."

    It doesn't get any clearer than that.

    I could give you 5 other direct quotes from prophets. LDS people believe in prophets, and this is as direct of council as it comes.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Feb. 23, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    Its clear that college sports and pro sports are a business. If the teams hold their games on Sundays, tons of workers have to work on that day - concession workers, clean-up workers, the paid coaches, the paid trainers, etc. For the TV games, add in all of the workers who help create the TV broadcast. By going to the stadium or watching on TV you are helping cause all of those people to work on Sunday which interferes with their chance to commune with God and focus on God for that day. The scriptures (including the Bible) say don't even let your servant do the work on Sunday. By giving the schools or the TV people our attention and/or money for the day they become our "servants" so to speak so even if a fan is not working by going to the stadium he is causing a lot of other people to have to work on Sunday by going to the stadium or watching on TV.

    @Chris B. - Do you believe that it is a clear Biblical principal for Sunday not to be a day of business?

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 25, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    "Therefore, they are set.
    BYU's access to the playoff is as good as anyone elses.
    The BCS is dead."

    Bluto, I agreed with most of your post however you're dead wrong here. BYU is not in one of the five conferences controlling this new playoff therefore they would not be selected for a playoff position under any circumstance. They could go (12-0) beating No.'s 2-13 and it wouldn't matter one bit because their invitation would cut one of the five conferences out of additional revenue.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    BYU should not and will not ever play on Sunday. Having said that I have seen plenty of LDS people at Disneyland on Sunday - including myself - but the BIG 12 issue is an image thing that reflects poorly on the Church as a whole so Sunday football is out.

    Secondly BYU is in a world of hurt with football going forward. Independence makes it all but impossible to attract any decent teams to Provo and I can see recruiting drying up in the next few years for the Y simply because the good players want to be in a BCS conference. It may end up being that BYU drops football within 10 years. Times are changing.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    @patriot "Secondly BYU is in a world of hurt with football going forward. Independence makes it all but impossible to attract any decent teams to Provo"

    Yes, of course, since next year alone BYU only has Texas, Georgia Tech, BSU, and Utah coming to town (roll my eyes).

    "I can see recruiting drying up in the next few years for the Y simply because the good players want to be in a BCS conference."

    If it's true that all the good players to be in a BCS conference, than how is it any different now than when BYU was in the MWC?

    BYU's fine and will continue to be fine. Independence is a great fit for a football program like BYU's, and I personally hope it will continue.

    So thank you for your concern, but I have no doubts that BYU football will be around for a long time.

    Go Cougars!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 25, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    "BYU should not and will not ever play on Sunday. Having said that I have seen plenty of LDS people at Disneyland on Sunday - including myself - but the BIG 12 issue is an image thing that reflects poorly on the Church as a whole so Sunday football is out.

    Secondly BYU is in a world of hurt with football going forward. Independence makes it all but impossible to attract any decent teams to Provo and I can see recruiting drying up in the next few years for the Y simply because the good players want to be in a BCS conference. It may end up being that BYU drops football within 10 years. Times are changing."

    Duh, the Mormon faith is about appearance to about 80% of so called "active" members.

    Remains to be seen. I think BYU has some quality brands coming to Provo this Fall though I'm curious as to how many they can get as things like the ACC adding a conference game continue to happen.

    Regarding recruiting, this year's class was nothing to write home about. If this becomes a trend you're correct, they're in trouble.