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  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    If the GOP is not extreme, then why is that party responsible for most of the increasing deficit? Why are they so hateful toward senior citizens and others who make up that awful 47%? If they support personal freedoms, why are they considering banning smoking in cars by parents of children riding in the cars? (Although I guess we could argue that we are protecting the children.)

    If the GOP is not extreme, why do they jump and then ask for permission to come down when the Eagle Forum squawks?

    That letter was right on the spot.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Lest we lose our way in our discussion of political extremism, we need to understand that its usage in American English refers to, "Any political theory favoring immoderate uncompromising policies."

    Immoderate (beyond reasonable limits) and uncompromising are unfortunately pervasive qualities across our political landscape but nowadays seem particularly apt in describing the political maneuvering of the far right and its affect on key issues of our nation.

    To flatly reject any and all federal efforts at reasonable gun control seriously curtails any solution to the critical issue of gun violence in America.

    To categorically reject a path to legality for undocumented immigrants (absolutely no amnesty for anyone) or to insist that the Mexican border be completely sealed prior to any negotiation on immigration is to totally undermine any possibility of immigration reform.

    And under a façade of ideological gamesmanship, to absolutely insist on no change to taxes in negotiating a reasonable and comprehensive national financial package is a known nonstarter, sadly seeking political gain at the expense of our national interest.

    That, my friends, is extremism.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    Extreme..? Lets see... who is it that wants mandatory invasive sonograms? Who wants a "personhood amendment" that would ban most forms of contraception? Who is it that won't permit reasonable gun controls in the face of the slaughter that is goin on? Who is it that thinks that the oil companies, and corporations should be subsidized and excluded from paying taxs, while the poor can't be permitted a decent minimum wage? Who is it the grinds their heel in the face of the poor while hiding behind the concept of "personal responsibility"? Who was that pushed the notion of trickle down economics, while pushing deregulation the financial sector that led directly to the crash of 2008? Who is it that thinks that a treaty to assist disabled persons overseas will marginalize school children in Utah? Who was it that was willing to risk the full faith and credit of the United States by blocking action on the deficit limit? Not extreme? If you think that, you must be from a different universe. Who is it that thinks that 47% of us are deadbeats. Well, let me clue you in, it ain't the democrats.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Many Germans were saying the same thing in the 30s. Nazism isn't "too" extreme.

    Difficult to change when you have your head so far into the clouds claiming that you are RIGHT and that you NEVER should compromise. All totalitarian movements pride themselves on their lack of compromise.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    Please Mr. McDonald, which of these positions do you find "extreme"?
    Fred L. Greer

    OK, let’s start with abortion,
    you oppose any and all abortions – even for rape, incest, life of the woman = extreme.

    deficit spending – Bush, TARP, 2 unfunded wars, Medicare D?,

    media bias, - FauxNews. Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck?

    excessive executive orders – please?

    open national borders – Obama has had more going home, than coming in.

    We support: a strong military, - and start offensive wars of aggression and make up lies to justify it.

    free markets (capitalism), - offloading to Communist Red China,

    above all, the U.S. Constitution – Patriot Act?

    Extremism?

    Archie Bunker was less extreme than today's GOP.

    Try being honest with yourself.
    Before the Republican Party vanishes to a mere dot of singularity.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Extreme or moderate doesn't matter much when it comes to Republicanism, which consists of: bought-and-paid-for government, buyer beware, short-term exploitation of our resources, no concern for the environment, glorification of guns, and most of all WAR. Republican party exists to keep the military-industrial complex in business by occupying 27 foreign countries and bombing small countries to rubble, while charging all costs to the taxpayer's credit card. An extreme Republican is just one who is extremely in favor of these things.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    Reference the writer's list of issues:
    abortion - Okay, I hold similar views.
    deficit spending vs. the national debt - Again, I hold similar views.
    media bias - You have to be kidding. Yes, some national media sources tilt left but Fox (a huge national media source) is pedal to the metal on the right.
    excessive executive orders - No. Read your history. Obama has been slow here. This is a myth.
    recess appointments - he got his hand slapped on some but other presidents have used recess appointments.
    open national borders - Again, you have to be kidding. We got to where we are over several decades. Obama's record here is much better than his predecessors. Not perfect, but better.
    increasingly bloated federal government – This one always comes down to which side of the govt. you want to bloat. As in the next point – a strong military.
    voter identification – I kind of agree but I think it is a losing issue for the GOP. We look like we are trying to stop people from voting who should vote (never a good stance).
    free markets (capitalism) – Obama could do better.
    I am out of space.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    My view of political extremism is when a person criticizes his opposition in the most virulent ways for doing the same things that he himself is guilty of.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    Please continue down the same path, GOP. Insist that you aren't extreme and that everyone "agrees" with you.

    Worked great in November, right?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    Pres. Obama could cure cancer, balance the budget, end all wars, and raise the dead....and some Republicans would STILL view everything he does as wrong, bad, and evil.

    THAT is called extremism.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Here are some of the stupidest comments I have ever seen. Do you really know people who believe these things? Where are the masses of republicans who want these programs you claim they want? They don't exist. I live in the most conservative state in the union and hang out with conservatives and I hear no calls for such programs, and policies.

    Do your liberal chums hang out together and imagine what the republicans are thinking? I know you don't hang out with them because you don't even know them.

    Do the majority of liberals really believe these lies? If so there is a totally delusional class of people.

    And as a side note, How is a sonogram invasive to a person who is seeking to have dilation instruments, scalpels, and suction hoses inserted 8+ inches deep into their body?

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Extreme?

    republicons calling for a fillibuster on Chuck Hagel...

    Chuck Hagel is...

    A Republican decorated Viet Nam Veteran...

    A Republican wounded in action...

    A former Republican Senator from Nebraska.

    A Republican successful businessman.

    So, we have for the first time in the history of our country a presidential nominee for secretary of defense has been fillibustered.

    I'd call that extreme.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    The unstated position where many of their caucus want to drive us into the debt ceiling limit without increase which would destroy our economy.

  • Crusader Layton, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    In the case of the Tea Party, extreme would mean unwilling to compromise.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    Actually, Mike in Cedar City gave a pretty comprehensive list which should suffice.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    The letter writer represents the views held by 30% of the public and 90% of the editorial staff of this newspaper and FOX.

    Bully for you guys.

    Meanwhile, the rest of the nation sees important work to be done and is getting down to business.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    @Mike in Cedar City
    Cedar City, Utah
    Extreme..? Lets see...

    Agreed.
    Add to it…

    “Legitimate” rape victims spontaneously abort.
    God intended rape victims pregnancies.
    Rape victims should make lemonade from lemons.
    The earth is 6,000 years old.
    Global Warming is a hoax.
    Reproduction and Evolution should not be taught in school.
    No weapon restrictions, and no Back-Ground checks.
    Muslims can't have freedom of religion [a Cultural center].
    Birthers.

    And the GOP rakes Gov. Bobby Jindal over the coals for saying that the GOP needs to stop being the Party of Stupid.

    Extremeism.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    Meanwhile --

    I have to laugh everytime I hear the GOP extremists saying the reason the GOP is getting smaller and winning less is because the GOP is not extreme ENOUGH !

    THAT is the definition of extreme.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    Chuck Hagel is a third rate politician with terrible principles. we do not want him, is that clear? A balanced budget, less government, lower taxes is the only way to prosperity.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    To flatly reject any and all criticism of Hollywood’s glorification of violence (while Obama simultaneously profiteers from campaign donations from those who profiteer from violence) is a guarantee of further violence in America.

    To categorically reject any restriction on abortion, as expressed by the Democratic Party platform, even restrictions on late term of gender based abortion, is extremist.

    To claim to be pro-choice while simultaneously eliminating conscience clauses allowing doctors pharmacists and hospitals to opt out of providing abortion, or demanding insurance paying for abortofacient drugs is dramatically hypocritical because there can be No choice if No is not an option

    And under a façade of ideological gamesmanship, to absolutely insist on no reduction in spending for any entitlement program, sadly seeking political gain at the expense of our national interest.

    That, my friends, is extremism.

    This letter is absolutely correct, as evidence by the wildly hypocritical wailings of the usual suspects.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Feb. 14, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    @Mike in Cedar City
    9:12 a.m. Feb. 14, 2013
    Cedar City, Utah
    Extreme..? Lets see...

    ==========

    Agreed.
    Add to it…

    …women don't get pregnant from "legitimate rape."
    …even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that “God intended to happen."
    Victims of rape to make “Lemons can be made into lemonade.”
    Global warming is a hoax.
    Evolution is a theory and should not be taught in school.
    Sex ed should not be taught in school.
    no restrictions on assault rifles, and no Back-Ground checks.
    Muslims can not have religious freedom and build a cultural center in NYC.
    Birthers.

    Extremism.
    Most Americans do not agree with it.
    Most Republicans do not agree with it, but for some reason.

    No wonder Gov. Bobby Jindal said if the GOP wants to start winning election, they need to stop being the Party of Stupid.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    LDS Liberal: "Pres. Obama could cure cancer, balance the budget, end all wars, and raise the dead....and some Republicans would STILL view everything he does as wrong, bad, and evil.
    THAT is called extremism."

    You could have said the same thing 5 years ago about Pres. Bush and a whole bunch of Democrats. I suppose you considered them all extremists at the time as well. Right?

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    Badgerbadger: "How is a sonogram invasive to a person who is seeking to have dilation instruments, scalpels, and suction hoses inserted 8+ inches deep into their body?"

    An earlier (what I thought was) delicately worded reply seems to be lost in moderation. I'll try to be even more judicious now.

    The difference lies in personal autonomy, choice, and consent. The wand ultrasound procedure in the Virginia law is dictated by the state. The woman has no choice. She has a choice vis-a-vis the other items you mentioned and can freely consent to their use. By making the ultrasound procedure a mandatory precondition for another legal procedure, the state has coerced or extorted consent. The woman is not willingly giving permission for the physical intrusion (we're not talking the familiar external jelly on the belly ultrasound here) mandated by the state. The ultrasound procedure is not medically indicated and its government-mandated use seems punitive for the patient rather than in her interest. That qualifies as extreme.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    @ Counter Intelligence

    I’m sorry, but I fail to see how claims of extremism among others somehow make it acceptable for the Republican far right. As Menachem Begin of Israel said to Egypt’s Anwar Sadat, who excused himself for attacking Israel on the Sabbath, “Deceit is deceit.”

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    Badgerbadger: "Do you really know people who believe these things? ...Do your liberal chums hang out together and imagine what the republicans are thinking?"

    I listen to Glenn Beck and Kyal2K on my commute. I occasionally wander onto TheBlaze, TownHall, and used to read WorldNetDaily regularly. I have conservative facebook friends who post regular screeds. I read the DesNews and its comment boards. Unless these media are completely populated by insincere trolls faking opinions, I think I have some sense of the range of Republican viewpoints, from fullbore libertarian Randians (Ayn or Paul) to the Mitt Romney who once ran to the left of Ted Kennedy. You probably have moderate to centrist friends of the George Will or even Kathleen Parker or David Brooks variety, but the extremists exist (try reading the unmoderated comments at TheBlaze sometime). And that's not even getting into the hardcore supremacists and hate groups.

    In the bell curve of political opinion, I would imagine you and your circle hew close to the peak. However, there are folks a standard deviation or two away from the mean and many seem to be disproportionately defining the issues on your behalf.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    Badgerbadger: "Do you really know people who believe these things? ...Do your liberal chums hang out together and imagine what the republicans are thinking?"

    Continued...
    There is a phenomenon called Poe's Law (originally applied to creationists but often more generally to conservatives now) that says that extreme conservatives are impossible to parody because one of them will always come up with something crazier than you can make up*. My liberal chums don't have to hang out together and imagine what Republicans are thinking. They are eager to tell us. And they often exceed our imagination. Akin, Mourdock, Gohmert, LaPierre, Nugent, Bachmann, Limbaugh, and on and on. They may not be representative of the Republican Party as a whole, but they have a way of being the ones getting the airtime and defining the issues for the party.

    * In bipartisan fairness, I should concede that liberals can also pull a Poe, like the CNN talking head who asked Bill Nigh if climate change had anything to do with the approaching asteroid. But nobody seems to take the extreme left as seriously as the extreme right.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:59 p.m.

    Re:CounterIntell
    "To claim to be pro-choice while simultaneously eliminating conscience clauses allowing doctors pharmacists and hospitals to opt out of providing abortion, or demanding insurance paying for abortofacient drugs is dramatically hypocritical because there can be No choice if No is not an option"

    Pharmacists provide abortions?

    I wasn't aware of that.

    BTW
    The "morning after pill"--Plan B and Ella are not abortifacients. They prevent ovulation.
    RU486 is classified as an abortifacient drug and can only be dispensed by a Dr. Pharmacists do not dispense RU486.

    Under current law, a pharmacist who is opposed to the morning-after pill can refuse to sell the pill but they must direct the customer to another provider.
    Hospitals are not required to provide abortions.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    Repubs aren't extreme. They're total nutjobs.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    Lagomorph,
    Wow, post of the month goes to you. Devastatingly comprehensive refutations and very courteously written.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    Lagomorph/Mike

    How many ways can you be wrong?

    Virginia doesn't require the internal ultrasound by state law. 90% of abortion clinics require it for medical reasons, but not because the law requires it.

    I ask, "Do you really know people who believe these things?"

    You answer, "I listen to Glenn Beck and Kyal2K... I occasionally wander onto TheBlaze, TownHall, and used to read WorldNetDaily regularly. I have conservative facebook friends who post..."

    So no, you don't know any of these people, but you claim your occasional dabble in the cyber world means you do. Not the same thing as knowing them. Not even close.

    And last of all, my favorite:

    I asked, "Do your liberal chums hang out together and imagine what the republicans are thinking?"

    Your answer, "...I would imagine you and your circle hew close to the peak."

    So the answer is yes, you do imagine, because you just said you do. Probably the most honest part of any of your posts, except that you go on to pretend that imagining is the same as knowing.

    Your imagination is way off.
    And so are your extremist claims.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    Re:Lag/Badger

    Va. Gov. Bob McDonnell signed a controversial mandatory ultrasound bill into law Wednesday afternoon, making Virginia the seventh state to require women to have an ultrasound procedure before they can legally have an abortion.

    A previous version of the bill would have forced women to undergo an invasive, likely painful transvaginal ultrasound procedure if she was too early into the pregnancy for a more typical transabdominal one to detect fetal age. After that bill sparked widespread protests, McDonnell and House Republicans worked together to write a new bill that would allow women to opt out of the more invasive procedure in favor of an external one.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Truthseeker

    Thank you for confirming that trans-vaginal ultrasound is not required by law.

    I sense you have never had one, since you refer to them as 'likely painful'. They are not in the least painful, nor are they like rape in any way. For someone seeking an abortion, this pre-op test is nothing compared to what they are about to experience. Abortion is not for wimps, and it is not an easy way out. It is a desperate way out, with lifelong consequences.

    To all you men, don't try to talk about the discomfort of women's procedures. You have no clue. In return, we women won't talk about the discomfort of men's procedures. Deal?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    re:Badgerbadger

    For some women (especially young women)they can/could be painful. Actually, I have had more than one vaginal ultrasound in my life (to monitor a medical condition).

    Women's medical decisions should be left up to women--in consultation with her healthcare providers and family members, period. If I were a Dr. who performed abortions--I would probably want to perform an ultrasound (not transvaginal) just to confirm the age of the fetus. There might be other reasons to recommend ultrasounds, even transvaginal ones to a pt., BUT THESE DECISIONS SHOULD BE between the woman and her Dr.

    These laws are an insult to women.
    1) they assume women don't know what they are doing.
    2) they are meant to make it as mentally, emotionally and physically as difficult as possible to get an abortion.

    I used to believe pro-life people when they said they were concerned about life. But no more. When they strongly oppose sex education and expanding availability of contraceptives (which reduces abortion) their objectives became more clear.

    and
    I have had one abortion (termination of pregnancy) when my baby, for unknown reasons, died at 26 weeks.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Badgerbadger
    Murray, UT

    ==========

    The topic is GOP not extreme.

    Republicans want to ban/outlaw all abortions, even in cases of rape.

    Republicans have also said:

    …women don't get pregnant from "legitimate rape."

    ...that a woman's body can somehow spontaneously abort a rape pregnancy.

    …even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that “God intended to happen."

    ...victims of rape should make “Lemons can be made into lemonade.”

    These are all Republicans, these are all extremist views.

    BTW - a D&C procedure due to a miscarriage would also be illegal if Republican laws were passed.
    The laws are to general and broad brushed, without taking into account or allowing for the life and health of the woman.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    @one old man:
    "If the GOP is not extreme, then why is that party responsible for most of the increasing deficit?"

    Wait! Obama has increased the nation's debt more that almost all presidents put together.

    "If they support personal freedoms, why are they considering banning smoking in cars by parents of children riding in the cars?"

    You're mistaken. Democrats are behind this... consisting of little old ladies in tennis shoes.

    @Ajax:
    "To flatly reject... gun control..."

    Sorry, Ajax. In the final analysis no one can be denied owning/possessing arms. Says so in the US Constitution (Amendment II). Doesn't matter how crazy or inept they're found to be.

    "To categorically reject a path to legality for undocumented immigrants... or to insist that the Mexican border be sealed..."

    There exists a path to citizenship... go home, fill out immigration forms, learn English, and get in line.

    "... insist on no change to taxes in negotiating a reasonable and comprehensive national financial package..."

    Obama's plan to raise taxes now and do the cuts later is sheer trickery which Republicans are on to. 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    @Mike in Cedar City:

    "...corporations should be subsidized and excluded from paying taxs..."

    Corporations don't pay taxes. Any assessed 'tax' is added to the cost of goods and services and passed to the consumer.

    "... while the poor can't be permitted a decent minimum wage?"

    We are in a global economy. We must compete with countries who don't have minimum wage laws. Who do you suspect will win that struggle?

    "Who was that pushed the notion of trickle down economics..."

    Trickle-down is found in almost all economy texts and described as a viable/useful economic theory.

    "... while pushing deregulation the financial sector that led directly to the crash of 2008?"

    Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, who were mostly responsible for the 2008 crash, were (gasp) Democrats.

    "Who was it that was willing to risk the full faith and credit of the United States by blocking action on the deficit limit?"

    The limit has to be addressed at some time. Better sooner than later. Democrats want the debt piled onto children and grandchildren.

    "Who is it that thinks that 47% of us are deadbeats."

    Romney's assertion was wrong... it's more like 55%

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    Just a reminder: the question here is not whether individual Republicans are extreme, but whether the party, on the whole, is extreme. Of this there can be no doubt.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 4:19 p.m.

    @Truthseeker
    "Pharmacists provide abortions? I wasn't aware of that."
    Please don’t play daft. Pharmacists provide abortofacients and several states (such as Illinois) have eliminated conscience clauses specifically to require pharmacists to dispense abortofacient drugs regardless of their personal choice.
    BTW
    Ella may be classified as emergency contraception rather than an abortifacient; but it is chemically similar to RU486 and can be used as an abortifacient drug to kill a fetus after fertilization: it IS an abortofacient when used as such.
    (But I suspect you WERE AWARE of this already, but would rather feign indignation in order to avoid reality)

    @Ajax
    “I’m sorry, but I fail to see how claims of extremism among others somehow make it acceptable for the Republican far right.”
    They don’t: but being called an extremist by someone who is even more extreme is not much of an insult. Gorechov calling Reagan an extremist is laughable. The far left has no moral credibility to be calling anyone an extremist.

  • migraine Indianapolis, IN
    Feb. 15, 2013 6:32 p.m.

    I continue to enjoy the sudden about-face from Republicans claiming to be serious about deficit spending. Tax cuts = deficit spending every time, unless you have a surplus or you cut spending too. No, tax cuts don't pay for themselves, except in rich Republican fantasies. Republican majorities in both houses of Congress and the presidency gave us the Bush tax cuts, turning budget surpluses into deficits. Didn't want to 'fess up to the costs of those tax cuts, though, so they set a 10-year time limit, and then were "shocked, shocked" last December at the budget crisis that inevitably erupted when their tax cuts expired. Where's our 10-year prosperity from those Bush tax cuts? The GOP wouldn't even put the costs of their wars into the published annual budget.

    Now suddenly THESE people are the self-declared prophets of fiscal responsibility. Even today, they continue the brinksmanship on every random artificial deadline (remember which party was the one with people proposing default on the US debt?), and proclaim austerity at the one time (recession/depression) that it's most destructive, rather than actually working for progress on employment and jobs. Shameless...

  • Miss Piggie Ogden, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 7:02 p.m.

    @Kent C. DeForrest:
    "Just a reminder: the question here is not whether individual Republicans are extreme, but whether the party, on the whole, is extreme. Of this there can be no doubt."

    Republicans are conservative which, by definition, is... er... conservative (traditional social values). Nothing extreme there.

    On the other hand, Democrat values are extreme... for example, the killing of the unborn, commonly referred to as abortion. I would call that very extreme, and I think the unborn who will never experience life would agree.

    Same with gay marriage... very extreme and goes against the Mother Nature's Law.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 16, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    I live in a part of the world where the LDS faith is considered "extreme". And when we sit down with out neighbors and friends and they learn that we are mormons, they often react that we don't live our lives much different they they live their own. Those things the separate us are dwarfed by those that bind us.

    Politics is largely the same. Republicans view democrats as extreme, and yet on the majority of policy, there is little difference. Abortion, the hot issue - pew research found that the vast majority of those who call themselves democrats don't approve of abortion. Only a fringe of Republicans believe abortion to be wrong in all cases, even when the mothers life is at risk. Only a few democrats believe in abortion on demand.

    The same can be said on most issues. Democrats don't want to save every tree, Republicans don't want scorched earth. In North Carolina you will find republican and democrats hunting and fishing side by side.

    Lets remember its only the parties who benefit from false devices. They seek to create difference where there is little. Lets not play their game.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    to What in Tucket? 1:47 p.m. Feb. 14, 2013

    "A balanced budget, less government, lower taxes is the only way to prosperity."

    So, you are saying to Vote Libertarian.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    per Ernest T. Bass ... "Repubs aren't extreme. They're total nutjobs."

    Best Post EVER!

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 11:36 p.m.

    @ Counter Intelligence - "...being called an extremist by someone who is even more extreme is not much of an insult. The far left has no moral credibility to be calling anyone an extremist.

    What if a middle-of-the-road Independent like myself were to openly express the opinion held by the majority of Americans that the Republican far-right is dangerously extreme, would that be a problem for you?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    The tea party wing of the GOP is extreme enough that IT is most likely what lost them this presidential election.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Feb. 17, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    @ cjb

    Having a huge and ever-increasing dependency electorate, that looks upon Obama as "Santa Clause", is what really lost the last election for the GOP! Anyone who thinks Mitt Romney is an extremist, is a non-realist who cant tell the truth, or a complete moron!

    As for the definition of extremist? Anybody who supports partial birth abortion is extreme! Anyone who wants to deny citizens their constitutional 2nd amendment rights is an extremist! Anybody who feels foreign enemy combatant/terrorists, are entitled to US constitutional rights is an extremist! Anybody who can't stop spending "Santa Clause" money, when the country has a 1 billion dollar deficit, is an extremist! Anybody who supports or believes in special laws, regulations, and rules for one segment of society, based on race, gender, or "sexual orientation", is an extremist! Funny? These all sound like Democrat extremisms!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Unfortunately, most democrats and republicans are shams for Constitutional government. Both would refer to the Consitution and our founding fathers as either outdated or extremists. Words have meaning. Partisanship arises because what was once simple to understand and conduct (The constitution) is now just something in the way of what both want, Socialism. Socialism aborts God and demeans humanity, all in the name of social justice, whatever that means. Government, in its limmited and specified form, will rid the partisanship, the whining, the excuses, and the wasted time spent on futile and useless debate over issues that were settled over 200 years ago.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    As long as the tea party is at the helm yelling crazy commands.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    Actually, if Obama could balance the budgit while abiding by the
    constitution, I would be more than willing to put his face on Mount Rushmore. But then again..., I guess I'll just stick with my original opinion, a socialist thru and thru! P.S. Socialism is evil!

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    @Badgerbadger:

    I stand corrected that Virginia did not pass the mandatory invasive ultrasound provision. However, SB484 mandates external ultrasound and further states, "If gestational age cannot be determined by a transabdominal ultrasound, then the patient undergoing the abortion shall be verbally offered other ultrasound imaging to determine gestational age..." Since fetal age in the first trimester is often difficult to determine, "other" ultrasound (undefined, but presumably invasive) is needed. This isn't much better. Regardless, the fact that the original bill was even proffered is evidence of extremism in the GOP.

    As to rape, refer to Utah Code 76-5-402.2. In an earlier post I noted that by making ultrasound conditional, consent was coerced or extorted, not freely given. The intent of the Virginia bill seems designed "with intent to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain." The shoe fits.

    Finally, I used "imagine" because I was referring specifically to you in that sentence. I don't know you, so I have to speculate based on the evidence you provided in your comment. The word limit here prevents itemizing all the sources I use to survey conservative opinion, but I don't have to imagine what conservatives generally think, just you.