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In our opinion: Christopher Dorner: He's no folk hero

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  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:13 a.m.

    Many support guns.

    But are against a background check.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 13, 2013 5:56 a.m.

    It is ironic that Dorner was a staunch Obama and Hillary supporter. If he had been a supporter of conservatives, what would the left say? All quiet on the left today when one of their own goes viral in their hatred toward the establishment! No political spin from the left today? Several innocent people dead and no calls for more gun control today? No claims of blatant racism today? Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 13, 2013 6:08 a.m.

    "One of the most disturbing phenomena of modern life is the tendency by some to feel sympathy for criminal acts. This tendency dates back at least to the Great Depression,"

    Sorry but Say what? Man's history of cheering the noble criminal goes way back beyond that. Take Robin of Nottingham woods - who stole from the rich - to give to the poor. Or even the crowds who would gather for Klan lynchings, where people were hung and burned for the simple crime of being black. The Klan was viewed as the protecters of a life style, holding public parades, all the while just being a bunch of lawless thugs intent on terrorizing a particular class of people.

    The means that Dorner used are clearly unacceptable - and wrong. There is no debate in that. But one has to wonder, with a history of LAPD being out of control, how much of what he claimed was true. Alas, we will never know as he was allegedly died being burned in a cabin in the mountains... and any chatter of investigating his claims will surely silently fade away..

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 13, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    New low Mountainman..who possibly knew or cared who this guy voted for? PS..Al Sharpton had over an hour show yesterday tracking the ongoings including this mad mans demise.

  • omni scent taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    Mountainman: in his manifesto, he said George H. W. Bush is one of his favorite presidents of all time, and Chris Christie is his top pick for president in 2016. I'm sorry that the facts conflict with your worldview of conservative = good, liberal = bad.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    It is natural the many Americans will favor the underdog when only the side of the government is known. While we have a tendency to favor little over big as part of being human, the distrust of government is constantly being pounding into our minds by our main media. That along with the bad reputation of police in policing their own makes the Dorner case suspect.

    While we need to allow public servants to do their job without undue interference from the public, the information about the Dorner case should be given to the public because of the notoriety already given it. To withhold this is as bad for the police reputation as if the police were at fault.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    "It is ironic that Dorner was a staunch Obama and Hillary supporter"

    Well THAT changes everything - NOT. Makes absolutely no diff to me. Guy got what he deserved regardless of who he voted for.

    And BTW? Universal background checks still make as much sense today as when the NRA called for it and ran ads for in the past.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    MM -- What?????

    Where did you get that "information?"

    Documentation please.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Dorner was not an underdog. He murdered uninvolved, innocent people and is by definition a terrorist. Anyone lionizing him is tragically misguided. He pushed back race relations because of his own inadequacies.

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    [One of the most disturbing phenomena of modern life is the tendency by some to feel sympathy for criminal acts.]
    [One law enforcement officer was killed and another wounded. These are people sworn to uphold the law and protect the public.]

    Just out of curiosity... How is this any different than the American colonists opening fire on and killing British Law Enforcement in 1775?

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Hemlock:
    [He pushed back race relations because of his own inadequacies.]

    Only for people who were already racist.

    Seriously, how backward do you have to be to still talk about "race relations"?

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Mukkake

    The "British Law Enforcement" were not the same as police officers. They were army men. Also they weren't attacked while they were in their homes and completely innocent. This is cold-blooded murder. That was a war and they were just as prepared if not more prepared than our troops. The victims in this case were practically defenseless.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    Mountanman
    Hayden, ID
    It is ironic that Dorner was a staunch Obama and Hillary supporter.
    5:56 a.m. Feb. 13, 2013

    ===========

    What Tin-Foiled-Hat on-line rag are you reading Mountanman?

    I didn't even hear anything that outrageous on Glenn Beck this morning on my way into work.

    BTW - since YOU brought it up,
    omni scent is right [making you - once again - squarely wrong]
    I too read his manifesto, and George H. W. Bush is one of his favorite presidents of all time, and Chris Christie is his top pick for president in 2016.

    You better be willing and able to back up your outrageous claims with verifiable facts and data.
    This ISN'T talk radio.

  • Diet-Mormon Cache county, USA
    Feb. 13, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    It's amazing the way people are shot down by the DN moderators.
    We have some folks that are clearly off the reservation and trying to evoke flat out war on this site.
    Then there are folks who state simple truths that don't defy any comment rules.
    The DN is taking big brother to a whole new level.
    Pro gun rights, anti dorner out.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    FYI
    Mountanman
    Hayden, ID
    5:56 a.m. Feb. 13, 2013

    ConservativeTreeHouse - perhaps?

    Anyway
    I really loved this line from his manifesto:

    "In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook massacre."

  • common sense55 Springville, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    He mentioned many celebrities/politicians on both sides of the aisle. The problem isn't with his political preferences, it's that a mentally disturbed man was pushed over the edge. Crazy people exist on both sides of politics, but to address the issues, we need to stop thinking that a person's political views make them prone to act out with violence.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    common sense55
    Springville, UT

    ...The problem isn't with his political preferences, it's that a mentally disturbed man was pushed over the edge. Crazy people exist on both sides of politics, but to address the issues, we need to stop thinking that a person's political views make them prone to act out with violence.

    12:20 p.m. Feb. 13, 2013

    ============

    Agreed.
    There are mentally distrubed and Crazy people who go over the edge from time to time on both sides of politic aisle.

    Now, back to business and the issues that deal directly to the matter:
    Where are we with that back-ground check legislation conservative Republicans refuse to address?...

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    @Mountanman
    "Several innocent people dead and no calls for more gun control today?"

    Obama demanding a vote on gun control legislation last night wasn't enough for you?

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    LDS: "Where are we with that back-ground check legislation conservative Republicans refuse to address?..."

    Background checks would certainly have averted this problem...

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Feb. 13, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    CNN panel quoted in saying, this Dorner thing, is like watching a Denzel Washington movie.
    They are actually excited to watch this take place.
    And they want gun control.
    This is why People dislike folks on both sides of the isle.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 13, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    Remind me again how having no assault weapons would be bad for society??

    So odd that in a pre-dominantly LDS culture there would be so many on the side of arming everyone as a solution to society's ills.

    Don't shoot the little birds...or anyone else.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Christopher Dorner - ex-LAPD - Feb. 12, 2012
    Adam Lanza - Sandy Hook Elementary - Dec. 14, 2102
    Jacob Tyler Roberts - Portland Mall - Dec. 11, 2012
    James Holmes - Aurora Colorado Movie Theater - July 20, 2012

    ==========

    Common denominators,
    1. Mentally ill.
    2. Legal access to Assault rifles.
    3. No back ground checks.
    4. mass Shooting rampages.

    Some will blame the guns.
    I blame our current stupid "No Questions asked" access to them.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    @pragmatistferlife
    “New low Mountainman..”
    Actually; the intolerant left blaming Sarah Palin for the shooting of Gabby Gifford's was the all time low
    Mountainman brings up a valid point - when the left was so quick to blame conservatives for Gifford, the IRS bomber, the holocaust museum shooter, etc (even when the perps were clearly not conservatives) - it is rather amazing how the media has silenced any discussion of Dorner's left wing rants
    Yes Dorner included some Repubs on his “like list”, including Jon Huntsman – but his manifesto and writings were largely radically left – loaded with charges of racism (because he was caught lying) and most of his swooning was over lefties like Dianne Feinsten, Chris Matthews, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien (sic), Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera (sic), Anderson Cooper and even Ellen DeGeneres and Charlie Sheen

    Unfortunately this bias is also consistent with the media ignoring Floyd Lee Corkins, who just pleaded guilty to attempted murder for his shooting at the Family Research Council

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Feb. 13, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    I am disappointed. It is disingenuous to omit information. If you read his manifesto, Dorner has strong praise for Obama:
    "I think you’ve done a "heck" of a job with what you have been dealt and how you have managed it."

    Bill and Hillary Clinton:
    "You’ll make one "heck" of a president in 2016. Much like your husband, Bill, you will be one of the greatest.

    Joe Biden:
    "I’ve always been a fan of yours and consider you one of the few genuine and charismatic politicians."

    Chris Christie.
    "You’re the only person I would like to see in the White House in 2016 other than Hillary."

    Bush Sr.
    "(T)hey never give you enough credit for your successful Presidency. You were always one of my favorite Presidents (2nd favorite)."

    He only briefly mentions McCain as "honorable" and Bush Jr. as a "C" college student. He would have voted for Huntsman. He lists"Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, and Anderson Cooper," Of all of these, Scarborough, Huntsman and Bush Sr. were never considered hard-core conservatives.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    A coward who murdered innocent people.

    Nothing less...

    Nothing more.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    This guy was obviously a bad dude. But I have to wonder why anyone thinks it is ok that the police intentionally burned this man alive.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    Schwa: I am no proponent of Christopher Dorner, nor the horrible things he did. However, I think you raise an interesting question...but possibly for a different reason. Why did police earlier open fire on a vehicle that "looked like" Dorners? Did the people inside brandish firearms, or evade the police? Is there more to this whole story than meets the eye? What else did Dorner know/do that isn't being told?

    "Is it more childish to believe in conspiracy theories, or to claim they don't exist?"

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    @JoeBlow: "Universal background checks still make as much sense today as when the NRA called for it and ran ads for in the past."

    Background checks border on unconstitutionality. Checks can be made but guns cannot be denied anyone. Says so in Amendment II to the US Constitution. If you'd like me to provide the quote, I will...

    '... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Feb. 14, 2013 6:46 p.m.

    Anyone hear of Claude Dallas. Lived a fairly nobadi life in Owyhee County Idaho. That is south of the Boise area and the southern 100 or so miles have no towns just a big deseret. Anyway two what I hear were arrogant Fish and Game officers came to his camp he told them were to go and shot them. Got charged with two counts of Voluntary Manslaughter and not murder and escaped 5 years later from prison.

    Some people say he was a folk hero for what he did. Two people are dead because of him and other people are dead because of Doner. Like Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer people make them some kind of celebrity. Morbid nothing heroic about him whatsoever.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    LDS Liberal, He did state in his manifesto that he was a staunch Hillary supporter but would vote for Christie if she wasn't running.

    His political beliefs and who he liked are totally irrelivant to what happened.

    After reading his manifesto, I would say he got railroaded by the LAPD. Cops do tend to protect their own.

    That said, what Dorner did was wrong and he apparently reaped what he sowed. He should have persued LAPD through legal means. LAPD firing him also wrecked his Navy career.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    wrz
    Ogden, UT

    Background checks border on unconstitutionality. Checks can be made but guns cannot be denied anyone. Says so in Amendment II to the US Constitution. If you'd like me to provide the quote, I will...

    2:57 p.m. Feb. 14, 2013

    ============

    ...but guns cannot be denied anyone.

    Are you serious?
    Convicts, Felons, rapists, child molestors, mentally ill, drug dealers,gang members, ect.?

    You seriously believe and support these people the right to have guns?

    You are extreme wz - see the other Deseret News postings yesterday.

    FYI -
    1. can not be Infringed, means can not be confisgated.
    2. What part of a "well-regulated militia" as part of that 2nd amendment did you not read or comprehend?

  • Oldy Glocks Orem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 6:38 a.m.

    Ned Grimley: Nothing seems to be mentioned about investigating the cause of his mindset.
    His prior treatment within the LAPD was his cause. Whether it was real or imagined is not important but why is there no clamor to have a real investigation of the LAPD and other departments across the nation.
    Without finding the true cause of his mindset, we have left the door open to create more such actions. He obviously was willing to give his life to force an investigation of what he saw as a corrupt force of brutality. Without this being a primary concern, we are no better than those who created his demons.