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Letters: Entertainment industry should take some of the responsibility for the violence in America

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    America should take some responsibility for the violence created by the entertainment industry. We're consumers; we buy this stuff. And these arguments are obfuscations; side shows that try to deflect attention from the violent nature a free for all gun culture instills in our society.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Violence has a reason. And that reason is usually hate. While depiction of violence might trigger a persons method of violence the true cause for the violence is hate.

    The political hate pumps on TV and radio are probably the root cause of much of today’s hate. The competition between the warring factions of businessmen is fierce to the point of using every opportunity to create fear and distrust of the others.

    It is not so much that the propaganda dispensed calls for violence but that it plays upon weaker minds, taking away proper judgment and creating a lethal weapon out of a person himself.

    Other hate pumps may be the failures of the economic system, personal relationships and a thousand other things. All of these need our attention if we are to actually reduce the incidence of violence in humans.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    The entertainment industry will cop to this 16 seconds after Wall St admits to being Greedy, self-absorbed clowns who nearly wrecked the global economy.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 10, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    "It is time for the entertainment industry to take responsibility for creating and adding to violence in America. "

    Well Lisa, Welcome to American Capitalism. The entertainment industry is doing what they believe will make them the most profit.

    So, we either live with what they produce and vote with your pocketbook, or regulate them.

    What do you propose?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 10, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    Personally I think it's about time the greeks and others took some responsibility for violent trash like the Illyd, or the Odyssey. and how about Jewish epic the old testemant?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    I can't remember ever being forced to attend a movie or being chained to a chair and forced to watch television. Personal choice is what we should be discussing. Just because someone in Hollywood used his agency to produce a violent product does not mean that we have to use our agency to buy that product.

    Let's put the real blame and the real responsibility where it belongs - with the individual. Many of us living in Utah have been advised to spend Monday evenings with our families and to use that time to grow together as a family. We have also been advised to use part of that time to help our children understand how to make proper decisions - and the natural consequences that follow every decision that we make. In our family, we used some of that time to discuss movies, music and other entertainment.

    If no one supported violent movies and violent TV shows, just how long would those types of entertainment continue to be produced?

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    Lisa, I do disagree pretty strongly. Surely you know that depiction does not suggest advocacy, and that it's perfectly possible for violent images to be used to attack actual violence. I would agree that Hollywood films promote a completely unrealistic fantasy about what constitutes heroism. But let's make something like Taken 2 the poster child for Hollywood violence, not a film like Django Unchained, a deconstruction of violent narratives.

  • Deserthiker SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    We should remember that the entertainment business is just that- a business. All the stuff about art from directors and producers is great but, first and last, movies must make money to keep being made. They'll keep making violent movies as long as the moviegoing public keeps throwing money away to watch them. As a public we mourn the deaths from violence, demand that something be done to stop it, then tune into ever more violent television programming and buy tickets to ever more violent films. We live in a violence-soaked culture of our own making.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    @MikeRichards

    "Many of us living in Utah have been advised to spend Monday evenings with our families and to use that time to grow together as a family."

    How's that working? That same group warns against the dangers of pornography. Utah has the highest internet porn rate in the country, with the "family values", Utah County crowd, leading the State.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Feb. 10, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    There is another intersting side to this coin. HOw often do we hear the majority of Eagle Scouts and Seminary and Institute graduates go on a mission and get married in the temple. That is true, However I wonder is the reason that is true is because the type of people that graduate from Seminary and INstitute and are EAgles are the types that would go on missions and get married in the temple.

    Same for violence, It may have an effect However I wonder if the same type of people that watch pornography and violent movies are the same type that are violent. Just happen to watch movies that depict what they do in real life. Not everyone that watches violent movies is that way. Just wonder if the same type of people that watch violent movies are more inclined to violence anyway.

    After all Ghenghis Kahn, Adolf HItler, JOseph Stalin did violent movies cause there violence?

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    So Lisa, you've seen some graphic, disturbing scenes on TV, were you tempted to go out and commit violent acts? Probably not. It is my opinion that those that are tempted to react from these imagines are already unstable, have mental health issues or both. Not sure you can 'blame' movies, video games, TV or music.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    OK --
    I blame Bugs Bunny and the 3 Stooges.
    There, you feel better.
    Do you really think Hollywood is responsible?

    How about the $$$
    Copmpanies only make those movies because they make money.

    Are you suggesting "Socialism", and limit free market capitalism?
    Good Luck getting the Right-wingers to support you there.

    And to answer the letter wroter question:
    Which stars are willing to take up this "cause"?

    I don't know - but Bruce Willis is a hardcore Pro-Gun Advocate,
    so you can count the Pro-Gun people out.

    Mike Richards --
    You are once again suggesting making Family Home Evening an American requirement.

    I'm still against you for it.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 10, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Mike Richards...I agree with the need for personal responsibility.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    Liberal,

    As you know, God chooses one spokesman at a time to represent Him to the entire world, just as He has always done. Few people listen to God's prophets. That does not excuse anyone who ignores God's spokesman. God's spokesman was instructed to present FHE to the world. You may feel that the Prophet only speaks to fourteen-million people. God disagrees with you.

    God gave us agency and He will require an accounting from each of us on our use of that agency. Using the excuse that Hollywood offered a product is not a reason to misuse our agency. Since the time of Cain, mankind has misused agency. All are accountable. None are exempt. Passing the blame to those who produce and distribute products not only shows contempt for the great gift of agency but also is an admission that we are incapable of controlling ourselves.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    Movies don't kill people.

    Guns do.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    Nice attempt at deflection Lisa but still to buying it. shall we get back to talking about sensible gun regulation then?

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 9:54 p.m.

    @mike richards
    why are you trying to lay this at the feet of "liberals" hatred for all things hollywood is clearly a right of passage for most conservatives. I do appreciate that you finally recognize in at least this one area that you need to respect others free agency to bad you fail to extend beyond this one issue.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    Spring Street,
    My 7:08 comment was a response to LDS Liberals' 3:50 p.m. comment.

    There are both liberals and conservatives who are guilty of producing violent or sexually suggestive movies and television shows. There are both liberals and conservatives who are guilty of producing movies that mock the family, that mock religion, that teach children to mock their parents. There are very few producers who make movies that show good functioning stable families that solve problems without violence. There are few producers who make movies showing men and women happily married.

    We all know better than to support those producers who degrade society, but few have the personal courage to boycott those movies and television shows.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Joe Blow: "Well Lisa, Welcome to American Capitalism. The entertainment industry is doing what they believe will make them the most profit."

    If that were really true, then they would create far less violent movies and far more family friendly movies because the latter make far more money at the box office than the former.

    They also wouldn't fight tooth and nail to prevent editing of their movies so that they are better suited to a much wider audience (i.e. make more money).

    Hollywood certainly likes making money, but if they have to choose between a little less filth for a bit more money and keeping the filth in and making a little less, they seem to vote for the filth every time.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    Mike,
    You want Free Markets, and are against Socialism.

    Then,
    You do a complete 180, and want Government to get involved, and ban violent movies from Hollywood.

    Which is it?

    BTW - Socialist coutries CAN and DO censor sex and violence in the media.
    So, Are you for or against it?

  • L White Springville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Mr. LDS Liberal,

    There you go again, making up things and telling lies. I've read Mike Richards' posts and I cannot find a single reference of any kind where he wanted the government to do anything about the movie industry. Why do you make up stories? Why do you tell those kinds of lies? Is there any other word that describes changing someone's words to mean the opposite of what he wrote?

    I agree with Mike Richards. He told us that each of us has the responsibility to control what we do. You told us that he wanted the government to regulate the movie industry. Would you be kind enough to cite exactly where Mike Richards said that? If you can't, you owe all of us an apology for distorting words.

    I believe that posting has some responsibility and that one of those responsibilities is to tell the truth and at the very least to not change the words that someone used.

    Why would anyone leave the responsibility for watching a movie up to the government? When has the government ever helped the family do the right thing?

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    It's not either/or. Violence (and sex) in the media is both a response to consumer demand and a voluntary choice of producers to stimulate demand. It is both a reflection of societal mores and an attempt to shape societal mores.

    Whether violence in the media causes increased gun violence in society is an open question. Back in the good old days of my youth, Hoppalong Cassidy and the Lone Ranger shot plenty of bad guys; nowadays, it's just more graphic and extreme. Certainly it's possible that some people play out what they view, but most don't.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Feb. 11, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    @Mike Richards – “As you know, God chooses one spokesman at a time to represent Him to the entire world, just as He has always done… You may feel that the Prophet only speaks to fourteen-million people. God disagrees with you.”

    Mike,

    I generally agree with you on the whole “personal responsibility” thing. And while I don’t believe in censorship, it seems quite clear (numerous studies back this up) that repeated imagery impacts our minds for better or worse, as any good psychologist will tell you (and as the effectiveness of advertising suggests).

    So they can deny it all they want, but Hollywood is definitely playing a role in our moral decline.

    That said, your quote above just sent chills down my spine. I can never quite reconcile the dictatorial horrors this mindset (by implication) is capable of allowing, with your faith’s views on agency.

    But assuming you’re right, how can you (or anyone) know for certain that God’s current spokesman is not some guru in India or a grandfather on a Native American reservation?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    There was a time once when movies and television shows featured good people doing good things. I just watched "Shenandoah" with Jimmy Stewart. It contained violence, but the story was uplifting.

    If I remember correctly "Driving Miss Daisy" and "A Trip to Bountiful" raked in millions.

    I remember, too, the head dog at FOX TV network telling everyone a few years ago that he and his network were "not only going to push the envelope, but burst through it."

    I question if this is what Americans really WANT in entertainment, or if we have simply become too culturally stupid to object to being fed a constant stream of garbage.

    I vote with my dollars and refuse to attend a movie or watch a TV show that's not worth watching. I also write and email sponsors to let them know that I will not buy any of their products as long as they are sponsoring such and such program.

    It does little good, but I feel better.

    What would happen if others like me -- and I know there are millions more -- did the same? Could we actually make a difference?

    We might. Shall we try?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 11, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    @ Tyler D.

    Why not ask God who his prophet is? When you're ready to accept His answer and act on it, He will lead you to someone who can teach you how to find answers to spiritual things. When you're ready, please contact me and I've send two representatives authorized to represent Jesus Christ to help you learn how God answers honest inquiries.

    As to "repeated" exposure to Hollywood's offerings: Why does anyone ever have to have multiple exposures to any media? We know right from wrong. There is a spirit in each of us that is sensitive to right and wrong. That spirit cannot be fooled by the appetites and passions of the physical body. It knows what lifts us and it knows what can destroys us. With that knowledge we are perfectly capable of choosing what to accept and what to reject.

    God does not force us. Prophets do not force us. We are free to choose for ourselves what we do with our lives. We are also free to enjoy or suffer the natural consequences of our choices. Self-control is how we avoid unwanted consequences.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    God does not force us. Prophets do not force us.

    =============

    So why do you want to force us?

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Feb. 12, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    Yep, Billy the Kid, John Dillinger and Al Capone watched too much violent TV as kids.
    Get real - RoadRunner cartoons show violence all the time.

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Since sandyhook, Around 1300 gun deaths in america. In Japan ZERO. Japan has acess to the same video games and movies as we do, but the difference is they have common sense gun control laws. So much for your theorie.!!

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    @Mike Richards – “When you're ready, please contact me and I've send two representatives authorized to represent Jesus Christ to help you learn how God answers honest inquiries.”

    I don’t know Mike… if I’m going to convert to a religion it would only be because it would help me be a better person (e.g., more kind, compassionate, ethical, responsible, sensible, etc…). Would you say you are a fair representative of what your religion has to offer in that regard?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 12, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Tyler D
    Meridian, ID

    touché !

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    Open Minded Mormon/LDS Liberal,

    You're still twisting words, aren't you? In your constant attacks of Mike Richards, RedHat and me, you resort to total fabrications. How does that square with your choice of "names"?

    How does using self-restraint equate to "force"? When Christ said to be perfect, was that "force" or was it an invitation to leave all self-glory behind? You have told us in post after post that government is the answer to society's problems, even as you mock anyone who reminds us that the Lord expects us to overcome all appetites and passions, including the "passion" of watching violent movies.

    There is only one way that violence will ever leave society and that's when people - people like you and me - overcome the natural man and choose to live a righteous life - without being compelled.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    Dektol
    Powell, OH
    Yep, Billy the Kid, John Dillinger and Al Capone watched too much violent TV as kids.
    Get real - RoadRunner cartoons show violence all the time.

    Have you tried to enjoy those old Bugs Bunny and Road Runner cartoons with your kids? The Bugs Bunny ones are so edited, to cut out the gunshots, that they don't even make sense.

    Seems like the left has had their way with censorship.

    But long live the realistic shoot-em-up video games, and graphic 'sax' and 'violins' in movies!

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    @ J Thompson 6:39 p.m. Feb. 12

    Oh, boohoo. Beck, Hannity, & Rushie use the same tactics and you more than likely think they are valiant crusaders for all that is decent. Untwist that!

    If we were to truly & honestly live w/o being compelled; Thats means no, none, zero Organized Religion, right?