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  • Bruzzer Ogden, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    Home teams win first round who do you think will be in the finals S Fork

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 10, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    Somebody want to give us an idea why 2A has a three day{one and done}tourney and 1A has a four day event for both girls and boys? If it can work for 1A, it can work for 2A. Come on UHSAA give these kids a little more reward than a one day slip up and your finished for the year. The oppertunity to play for three more days could double the tickets sold. Give these kids a break.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    The tournament is just an annoyance anyway. We know who will hoist the gold trophy in 2A.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    JD Books- I know right? Go Wasatch Academy!

  • Slammer Lehi, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    JD - I hope Wasatch Academy blows SS away! I think they will! What would you be willing to do if in fact SS doesn't win 2A?

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    I like WA over SS but sometimes grit wins out and I like SS grit.OK, WA has five college players in their starting line-up but team work and grit may pay off for SS. Going to be a great game; if one or both of them don't get upended before the mtg. But both teams are exceptional! Go 2A tourney!

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    Feb. 11, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    Wasatch Academy and South Sevier will be the best game in Utah History for small schools. I doubt that there will ever be 7 college players on the same floor together again in a 2A game. My money is on SS as they have been there before and have tournament history. Race is well....Race, and not much else needs to be said. He has dominated now for 4 years and stopping him now seems unlikely. I think that WA will limit Race as they have size and quickness but they can't stop Race completely and Clark will come up big. Clark is playing the best ball of his life has been playing like an MVP candidate since his return from injury. He is 100% healthy and has a lot to prove. Look for a great game and GO RAMS!!!!!

  • Hoopfan10 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    What about 3A, who do you guys have winning each of the first round games, and who are the sleepers?

  • Charford Hurricane, UT
    Feb. 12, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    The sleepers could be all of region 9. All teams are more closely matched than other regions. Look at the upsets tonight, any one playoff team can beat another. Round one could see number one and two seeds from up north fall to three and four seeds from down south.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    @ PG#1 Fan

    I don't know about there never being 7 college players on the floor again in 2A. Back in the early 80's Richfield had 5 of their first 6 all play college football. There is a lot of talent at some of the small schools.

    @JD

    I miss the old Richfield / SS rivalry games from the mid 70's to the early 80's. Those were some of the best games and the best rivalry in the state.

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    7 COLLEGE basketball players really????
    If SS and Wasatach reach the finals.... which Im sure they will.

    If your best Recruit of all them players is only going to SUU, thats really not saying all to much people.

    What other kids from SS are going anywhere???????
    And what kids from Wasatch are signed and going somewhere?????

    I would like to know!

    All I do know is......

    South Sevier is 18-3 right now
    0-3 when they played the big boys in Orem
    West Jordan. 6-17 may not make playoffs
    Bountiful- Very solid 4A team
    Foothill, Nevada, solid team,
    Fremont you beat yes, Fremont is also 1-18 right now.
    Race Parsons is very good, but whys he going to SUU then, a bad basketball team.

    Wasatch Academy 21-1
    Lost to 3A Judge after beating a solid Weber team.
    Have only watched this team once, but they are solid, Still super confused how that many african american kids can end up at a private 2A school in Utah.

    This surely will be a great 2A championship game.
    But 7 college basketball players, WHO??

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    PG #1 FAN

    What 7 college players do you see from SS and Wasatch??

    Race is the best player of them all, yes....
    But Signing at SUU doesnt credit his worth at all.
    Thats the worst basketball school in the whole state.
    I mean im sure he has a full ride, so who am I to say anything,
    But common, and also he's been playing against 2A competition every year for 4 years.
    That doesnt help your cred!

    Vs West Jordan 13 pts
    vs Bountiful 10 pts
    vs Foothill Nevada 24 pts

    Some decent competition and look what happens ha

    But still this will be a wonderful competitive 2A Championship game!

    Just in case you little town ppl wanted to know!
    Lone Peak is the #1 team in the nation on MAXPREPS
    #3 on ESPN TOP 25
    #3 ON USA Today poll.

    They are 21-1, lost to the #2 team in the country in Florida.
    If you wanna watch the best PUBLIC high school basketball team in America, Go to the 5A tourney .

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    @PG #1 FAN

    Where in the world are you getting 7 college basketball players??

    I know race is going to SUU

    That is it!

    Please fill me in on kids who have signed and where there going.
    Since you mentioned 7.

    I thought Wasatch had like 3 underclassmen, so I dont see them college bound YET.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    If you dislike 2A so much, why do you even worry about it? Apparently there is no talent and isn't worth watching. By the way, SS and WA will meet in the Semifinals. Race is probably going to SUU because his dad played there. Why does it matter? Also, by the way, Race is going to be the 6th, let me say that again, SIXTH high school player in Utah history to score over 2,000 career points. I don't care what classification you play in that is amazing! Another thing, SS almost beat WJ, Bountiful is the only 5A school that really beat them. Yes, they wouldn't take state in 5A, but who asks that of a 2A team? Also, at least one other player from SS is playing college ball. Clark is playing somewhere, just can't remember the name of the school. Nope, it's not UCLA, but since when is playing college ball not good enough? Also, just because you attended a 5A school at one point and Lone Peak is now the #1 team in the U.S, that doesn't make you the authority on what players are good and what players are not.

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    For any 2A school to produce 2 players that move on to the next level is great. Most 2A teams don't have that many in the history of the school. Austin and Race have both worked hard to get the opportunities that lie in front of them. It is hard to get noticed in Monroe UT. I had heard that 5 players on the WA team are being recruited. If that is wrong, somebody with knowledge of the program should set the record straight. WA is a very good team that is talented and diverse. These teams are certain locks to play in the semi-finals. I think that Race and Austin are the 2 best players in 2A and talent ultimately prevails. A side note, I think that Coach Hunt moves on after this year. If SS wins out, he will be 46-4 over the last 2 years and with the cupboards relatively bare I think he will move on to another school and preserve his legacy. GO RAMS!!!

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    The difference will be that the farm boys from SS are used to hoisting gold trophies and the rest of the field isn't. In addition the coaching staff is the best in any classification in the state of Utah.

  • Slammer Lehi, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    SS:
    Parsons is a good player, but in 5A he'd be the number 3 or 4 scorer on a good 5A team. Against Bountiful he scored 10. 10 to 15 points per game is probably the right number for him on average in 5A. That puts him outside the top 20 in 5A. College recruiters know 28 points per game in 2A is relatively meaningless.

    That's why he's going to play at SUU - no other reason.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    @ Slammer,
    I guess you have a valid point, but can you really judge what a player would do in a season based on one or two games? If that was the talent level he played against every week, he would find a way to score more points, that's what he does. He had 28 against Fremont, and before you tell me how bad they are I already know, but it just shows how easy it is to argue a point based on one game. I realize he wouldn't be the leading scorer in the state if he played in 5A, but he would still be an all-state caliber player. He could walk on at any school in Utah if he wanted to.

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    SS...

    You sound like another die hard SS fan like your fellow blogger... JD books

    But U can argue that Fremont is that bad! 28, and he was playing at Home in little SS TOWN, I dont even know the name of the town!

    Now I agree he could walk on, but wouldnt make it anyhwere.

    But Like I had said, I think the kids a very solid player, but you little town ppl make it out to be some amazing kid.
    You didnt read my arguments either,
    West Jordan is 5A and wont probably make the playoffs. You lost to them.
    Bountiful has a solid chance to go deep in the 4A playoffs, they are not 5A.
    Fremont is going to finish 1-20 this year.

    So Im happy he has a full ride to SUU, but seriously 2A is that bad all around the state.
    I would love to see SS beat the Private 2A school who is clearly recruiting players, so Good luck in the tourney!
    Sure hope that its going to be online so I can watch the semifinal!

    I also liked, no one mentioned any other college players on theseteams otherthen Race

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    He should have been offered by BYU and he could have played there after his mission

  • nebocreek Nephi, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    I've followed 2A basketball for many years. During the time I helped as an assistant high school varsity coach, I began tracking some of the stats of the eventual state champion. I have found that over the past 16 years there has only been one team in that time that has won the state championship that didn't have at least three players average in double figures in scoring for the season. There have been many teams that had two players average double figures in scoring that played for the state championship but lost in the championship game. Right now according to the DesNews scoring stats- only Wasatch Academy has 3 players averaging in double figures in scoring. Maybe Race Parsons scoring average can compensate for the lack of the 3rd scorer-- but if a team can put the defensive clamp down on him and make the other players make up for his lack of scoring, they won't repeat as state champs. It seems as though havaing that 3rd scorer keeps the opponents defense honest and spread out.

  • Fanly City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    For 3A sleepers, I wouldn't be surprised to see all the region 11 teams advance.

  • Slammer Lehi, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    JD:
    You raise another interesting point - Shouldn't Race be returning from his mission already instead of playing as a high school senior? Isn't Race 20 years old or almost 20 years old? Hasn't he been held back by his parents TWICE pre-high school so he could rise above his Monroe, UT peers?

    Another reason he scores 28 points a game - a 19+ year-old playing against 15 to 17 year-olds.

  • The Crimson Knight Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    I have seen the future and this is how 3A turn out: first round, Delta 64 Ben Lomand 63 OT. Snow Canyon 62 Park City 55. Judge 78 Dixie 55. Payson 51 Bear River 44. Wasatch 61 Desert Hills 50. Spanish 72 Ogden 58. Morgan 77 Carbon 50. Cedar 49 Union 48 OT. 2nd round: Snow Canyon 66 Deta 57. Payson 55 Judge 51. Spanish 66 Wasatch 60. Morgan 43 Cedar 41. Final Four Payson beats Snow Canyon again 64-60 and Morgan beats Spanish Fork in double OT 91-88. Final Morgan 38 Payson 36. Champ is Morgan. 3A is wide open this year. Watch for sleepers like Cedar and Payson, both teams guard the heck out of you and play physical ball. Region 9 is down this year compared to last. Wasatch and Payson are very different teams then their pre-season record. (both play only 4A and 5A schools) Should be a fun week end!

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Feb. 15, 2013 5:56 a.m.

    If the game is a toss up go with the Coach. I would never bet against Scott Hunt (SS).

  • Charford Hurricane, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    @ binghamalum
    If you study lone peaks season, nobody in the state of Utah played competitively with lone peak. SS and Wasatch academy could compete with lone peak as well as any team in the state. They could not compete at the level lone peak is at, but they can compete with any other team in the state. 2A is not "THAT BAD" as you say. Lone peak is just " THAT GOOD"

  • Craig Rydalch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    Race Parsons has division 1 talent and has proven it both at South Sevier and in the summer programs. Anyone who questions this does not know what they are talking about and obviously has not seen him play. He is a talented kid and even a better person.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    I think it is debatable as to if Lone Peak could beat South Sevier. Until that is proven on the court a person cannot say one way or the other.

  • zelmob57 Vernal, Ut
    Feb. 15, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    So, someone please answer the question, how old is the Parsons kid?
    With respect to 3A hoops, region 10, with the exception of Union, appears to be weaker than last year, and we remember how that turned out with all region 10 teams losing to region 9 teams in the first round. I think Judge will prevail against Dixie but not a lot of hope for the other region 9 teams, although Union has shown potential. How is it that region 9 and 10 are matched again this year?

  • soggybottomboy richfield , UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    @zelmob57. Race Parsons is 19 years old, and a very good high school player. It is quite an accomplishment to score 2000 career points in high school, but Division 1 recruiters know exactly what they are doing. All you have to look at is field goal percentage, this tells the true story. Often Race takes 25 to 27 shot attempts in a game, this is about the same amount of attempts any 4 to 5 players would normally take in a game. I have never seen another high school player who has the green light to take such low percentage shot attempts and continue to shoot. Clark is the underrated player in South Sevier. Often Clark will take 1/2 to 1/3 the shots that Parsons takes and will score similar points. Race is not the player on South Sevier who has been held back. Last year 4 out of the 5 starters had been held back. South Sevier also is getting quite a reputation for recruiting outside players. This is getting to be a common practice at South Sevier and the other 2A schools know it.

  • wrkhrdhvfn Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    @ Binghamalum and @Slammer. Every high school kid that works everyday to become better and puts himself out there for others to watch, enjoy or criticize deserves our respect! You get all worked up over JD Books who most likely isn’t even from South Sevier. All Mr. Books does is play on your insecurities or jealousies which gets you to attack innocent kids who are just trying to play the game they love. Wanna-be coaches and analysts like yourselves who have nothing better to do than bash great kids and good basketball players should instead try to do something positive in kids lives. And if Books was from SS, he would realize he is only hurting SS fans and kids. But maybe that is his true intent. A little advice, if you wrestle with pigs, you just end up smelling like the pigs and the pigs like it. Good luck to all high school basketball players, keep dreaming and working towards your goals.

  • Tiger Fan Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    To binghamalum & Slammer

    You are always touting Lone Peak which they certainly deserve. I have watched them several times and they are as advertised. They may well be the best Utah High School team of all time. Great kids and players! And they are getting recognized for their success. (btw, Lone Peak has more than 1 player that started school 1 year later). For your info, two years ago Lone peaks Mika, who is a tremendous player, was at 2A Waterford. He was a good player then. Scored and dominated. Sadly his team didn’t even make it to the state tournament. South Sevier had many good players that year and were led by Parsons and they won the championship. Realize I said many good players at the 2A level.

  • Tiger Fan Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    You bash on Parsons and say he would be a 3rd or 4th scorer at the big school’s level. You may be right, but have you looked at what numbers kids like VanDyke , Hunsaker, and others have put up against Bountiful the past several years? Good coaches (Maxwell) and others can shut down dominant players if other players don’t pick up the slack. No disrespect to VanDyke or Hunsaker. They are both outstanding players! If you were really as knowledgeable as you try to come across, you would spend time watching AAU ball where kids like Parsons compete against and with your big school kids, instead of spouting off in a blog. I watched Parsons work out in a Fall Showcase with the Schenke kid from Weber, (another great player) and VanDyke to name just a couple, and Parsons not only held his own but was fairly dominant with mostly 4A and 5A kids.

  • zelmob57 Vernal, Ut
    Feb. 15, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    soggybottomboy, thanks for the info. I am far removed from South Sevier but do enjoy the way JD Books stirs the pot and gets an interesting dialogue started. When all is said and done, we can probably all agree that a great value of high school athletics is to provide a way to have our youth engaged in a structured activity to challenge them physically and mentally. It also provides numerous situations to reveal their character and provides opportunities to learn to strengten their character. The kids, with very rare exception, are outstanding people. Sometimes the adult followers can be somewhat tedious!
    As an unrelated clarification to my earlier post, I meant to state that I did not have a lot of hope for the other region 10 teams during the first round play-in games, not region 9 as indicated.

  • The Crimson Knight Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 15, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    I can end this debate right now. I've coached at a lot of different levels 2A,3A,5A. The top 4 schools at 1A and 2A can compete with the best in the state. ( I said compete with not always win) The problem is THEIR DEPTH! The first five or six can play but the 7th is a fat kid about 5'10 255 who plays center, or a kid with a mullet who's a better rodeo racer. Last year 3A was better than 4A. This year 4A is better then 5A with the exception of the Peak. Parsons is older, so what. How old is Emery? Their both good. Also, Wasatch Academy is legit.

  • soggybottomboy richfield , UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    @middleofnowhere, utah. The point is that S.S. holds kids back so that when they are seniors they will be playing against kids a year younger than them, so they have that advantage. They will do anything to win. If that means holding athletes back in school, then that is what they'll do.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    I am a lifelong SS fan and I bleed red and white. I am not ashamed that I give 100% to the rams. I think many are probably jealous of my fervor and that is why they bash me. The fact is year in and year out SS puts some of the best teams on the gridiron, diamond, wrestling mats, volleyball courts, rodeo etc., and certainly hoops. No matter hold old Race is, he is a great player and every 2nd grader on up wants to emulate him. The hoops fervor that the community feels certainly rivals Kentucky basketball and Alabama football. Race is not the only kid that has every been held back for competition reasons. Richfield does it, San Juan does it etc. I think Baker is also held back but does it really matter? Maybe folks from Monroe think I am hurting them but the beauty of it is next week in Cedar City, Race, Patsy and the boys will back up my bravado and will hoist another gold trophy. I urge Bingham alum to come to Monroe sometime to see how many red championship banners we have.

  • Slammer Lehi, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    JD:
    So by your logic SS hasn't played the LA Lakers yet so nothing has been proven with that matchup either, right?

    By the way, it's not your "fervor" that you're getting "bashed" about. It's about the ridiculous things you type onto your computer.

  • Odgen Sports Fan Ogden, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Crimson Knight – Your predictions were close, but you obviously did not watch many northern Utah teams. Bear River and Ben Lomond are really good teams. 3A has a lot of parity. All the games will be close on Thursday.
    JD Books – Your enthusiasm for SS is admirable, but you have blinders on. Lone Peak is the best team in the history of Utah and would beat SS by 30. I hope you know sports and basketball better than what your comments indicate.

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Oh boy I love these posts. I love everyone's passion, Jd books you to.

    Ok....
    1-how are you comparing SS to Lone Peak...?
    Is being ranked #3 in America not valid enough for you small town folks.?

    2-how does going 0-3 against better competition valid argueing your SS rams could compete with the whole state???
    Especially when WJ won't make playoffs in 5a....so if they beat you, why wouldn't all the 5a teams...?

    3-@crimsonknight
    4a is not as good as 5a this year, the reason I say this stuff, Lone Peak is the #3 team in the nation, and none of you seem to want to give them credit at all. SS could of played to Orem and LP in that Orem tourney, but lost all 3 games.

    4- Mika was also only 6'4 at Waterford and he wanted to play varsity, at LP he wouldn't have till junior year, but he grows to 6'9 and Quincy says, come back to LP.

    5-race parsons is good, signed at SUU......great, buttttttttt why suu if he's a top 2 player in utah according to you all.....?
    Replies are welcome

  • Odgen Sports Fan Ogden, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Look for Morgan to win it all. This is their year. Noone can stop Miles.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 16, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    I don't mind being bashed. Many Alabama football fans get bashed as well. @Bingham Alum makes good points however the real tragedy is that we will never know if Lone Peak and their fantastic 5 could beat the farm boys from Monroe. That is really all I am saying. It would be an ending suitable for the movies, i.e Hoosiers. I would be glad to drive up and give Bingham Alum and Slammer tours of the SS basketball facility so you can see the multiple red and white banners that are hanging there. The other shame is that D1 recruiters don't pay attention to the other D1 talent in our school, like in football or baseball.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    OgdenSF- Sorry, I know that Morgan looks like the team to beat, however, just like in football, Morgan can have a great regular season, but chokes in the playoffs. I'm not sure what it is, but they just can't win the big game when they are favored. For their sake, I'm hoping they can do it this year, but I'm just saying, when Morgan looks like the favorite...

  • hsfootballfan SLC, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    JD Books-

    You are right, technically we will never know if SS could beat Lone Peak. We will also technically never know if my son's Junior Jazz team could beat the actual Jazz.

    Here are the facts. SS has lost 3 games this year. One to a 6-15 West Jordan team, a 25 point loss to a good Bountiful team, and a 15 point loss to an out of state team that Lone Peak beat by 35.

    I know comparing point spreads is not always the best way to evaluate teams, but in this case it gives some perspective. Bountiful (who SS lost to by 25) has also lost 3 games this year. Bingham, American Fork, and Denver East. Lone Peak has played all 3 teams. LP beat Denver East by 20, Bingham by 35, and American Fork by 37 and 25. Which amounts to a 30 point average margin of victory.

    Might I add, after watching Lone Peak on three different occasions this year, they could AVERAGE 40 to 45 point victories every game if they chose. In all three games I watched, they were up by 40 after 3 before the JV finished the game.

  • TDowEsq Heber City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Is anyone giving Wasatch a chance against Spanish Fork?

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    Much is said about wasacth academy recruiting players. I dare anyone to count the number of boys who moved to Monroe to play basketball in recent years. Both programs have been greatly benefited by out of town talent.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    So, every year it seems that some smaller classification team that is doing very well within their division, seems to think that they could play with the big boys. And to be honest, sometimes they can. So in wrestling this year there will be a "super state" tourney next week with all the placers in 1-5A going at it to see just who is the best. Maybe basketball could do the same? Take the top 2 or 3 teams in each classification and put them in a tourney the week after state finals wrap up. Maybe we could get the dream SS vs. LP matchup? There is no better place to settle it than on the hardwood.

  • TDowEsq Heber City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 8:13 p.m.

    Super state for playoff in basketball is an awesome idea. Perhaps something like: 1A runner-up plays 2A winner, 2A runner up plays 1A runner up.... winners play 3A winner and runner-up.... winners play 4A winner and runner-up... winners play 5A winner and runner-up and then 1 game to rule them all. Perhaps the BCS folks can help us figure this out by lending us their super-computers and we can always add a human polling factor...

  • Odgen Sports Fan Ogden, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    Wasatch will definitely beat Spanish Fork. All of Reg 12 was overrated. As was evidenced by Reg 11 almost sweeping them. Ogden could of/should of beat them.
    Josey - Morgan will win it all. They have been beating everyone by big numbers and 3A is weaker this year than before.

  • joshloftin Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    First, go Wasatch Academy -- I am an alumnus and currently work there. Hopefully, I can clarify a couple of things.

    1. No current Wasatch Academy players have committed to Div. 1 schools. The seniors are all good kids (and students) who bring leadership and toughness, but none have been recruited. There are three underclassmen who start who will likely generate Div. 1 interest, Geno Luzcando (a junior), Cody John (a sophomore), and a freshman Koby McEwan. Yes, if WA and South Sevier play, there are potentially 5-6 Div. 1 players on the floor, but only SS kids are old enough to commit. (BTW, Race Parsons will make SUU fans very happy.)

    2. For those confused by Wasatch Academy's diversity, realize 35+ countries from 5 continents are represented at our boarding school. Very few of them are star athletes. For basketball, however, we have an amazing head coach who puts academics first, so players come to Wasatch Academy because they want to excel on the court and off the court. We feel lucky to have them.

    About the tourney: If (when) WA and SS meet, it will be an incredible game--watch it online. My prediction: Tigers win, but it's close.

  • Sportsfan#1 Spanish Fork , UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 12:33 a.m.

    Spanish fork will not lose to Wasatch. Wasatch doesn't have the shooters, size or athletes to keep them into the game.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    The multi classification playoffs are a great idea that has already been presented to UHSAA but they say no because it is a dead period and some schools are starting baseball.

    I too belive that it will be close between Wasatch Academy and SS but these farm boys have hauled hay and milked the cows together for years and that toughness will win out.

  • nebocreek Nephi, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    To say that private/charter schools don't "recruit" is stretching the facts. If you went to the 2A tourney it is very apparent. I know they don't "recruit" athletes they "recruit" students. But lets be honest, any coach at any of these schools want to recruit good students that know how to play basketball and just happen to be 6'8". I am all for letting them go after whoever they want-- just put them into their own league and let the other public schools schedule them as non-league games. The playing field is not level- especially at the 1A/2A/3A level. I think the UHSAA should at least make them play up 1 classification. Of the 16 teams in the 2A tournament- 6 of them were private/charter schools. Of the 22 schools in the classification 7 are private/charter schools. What ever happened to playing with what comes from your community/school boundaries, the good years the bad years -- The fact is that for the most part the BOT doesn't really much care about anything below the 3A level anyway

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Many on the various blogs have commented that SS recruits players. That is hogwash. How can anyone blame a kid who is willing to play basketball 365 days a year for wanting to go play for a coaching staff who is arguably the best in the state or play in a place where state championship banners adorn the gym or have a chance to hoist a gold trophy in hoops every year. Hunt can't control that, he takes what he is given.

  • football43 Morgan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    JD Brooks

    In the late 70's they had a tournament that included all classifications. At the time there were only 4 classifications. 4A champion West High (Scott Runia BYU), 3A champ Davis (Dean Hunger Hunger,Utah State) and 2A champ Cedar (Coby Leavitt, Utes) and the 1A school who I cant remember. It played out 4A, 3A, 2A and then 1A last. The championship game ended up with West beating Davis in an incredible game. I would live to see that type of tournament this year but I would bet it would end up the same. The only game I might switch is 2A might beat 3A this year. I think 2A is up and 3A is down a little.

  • Sportsfan#1 Spanish Fork , UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    Spanish Fork will not lose to Wasatch! Spanish has to good of shooters, they are to big and have to good of athletes. Sf by 9 and will see Morgan in the semis.

  • TDowEsq Heber City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    The S.F."Dons" may indeed beat the Wasatch "Wasps" (not to be confused with the excellent Wasatch Academy "Tigers" - which parenthetically, are worthy of the praise they've received in this thread). However, please note that one of the few losses that Dons suffered this year was against the team (Desert Hills) that the Wasps fortunately just defeated (NICE UPSET) on their home floor. The Dons loss to Desert Hills was a true road game... and that makes handicapping the Dons v. Wasps game difficult.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Wasatch does seem to be peaking at just the right time, so the game against SF might be a lot better than most think. The coach has finally gotten over his "senioritis" (playing seniors mostly) and has finally given some of the more talented players their shot, and it's working by way of more wins. I noticed this in the difference in the two games played against PC, the first, which PC won, Wasatch played their older kids and weren't very effective, the second game which Wasatch won handily, they played a few underclassmen who looked a little quicker and more decisive in their shot taking. Should be a good game.

  • Odgen Sports Fan Ogden, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    It doesnt matter who wins the SF/Wasatch game anyway. Morgan will clean the floor with either of them. They are the deepest team in the 3A. As JD Books says - Morgan will hoist the gold on Saturday.

  • TDowEsq Heber City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    It looks like Morgan will win 3A this year.... however, it is important not to get ahead of ourselves... Morgan will need to defeat a good Cedar side, beat the SF/Wasatch winner and then beat the winner of the other side of the bracket (which may be a familiar Region foe or Judge or Snow Canyon) before they can "hoist the gold on Saturday". However, I think it curious that Morgan's head coach scouted a couple of Wasatch region games these last few weeks (especially since Morgan defeated the Wasps in the pre-season and clearly has nothing to worry about from a 10-13 team!).... Perhaps coach Wiscombe is aware of history.... that Morgan may need to defeat the Wasps (which his teams were unable to do in the 2011 final, 2010 quarter-final, the 2008 first round, 2004 semi-final) to get to their first championship in 39 years. In fact, the most common team to reach the finals over the past 11 seasons has been... yep, you guessed it... the winner of the Spanish Fork/WHS game (WHS 52/SF 43), "hoisting gold" 4 of 7 times during that 11 year span. Go Wasps!!!

  • Sportsfan#1 Spanish Fork , UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Morgan is not a deep team it is a one man show! Better hope he(Miles) doesn't have a off day or they will be in trouble!

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    JD- Austin Clark is NOT a home grown farm boy ....He went to North Sevier, then Grand, then North Sevier again....then recruited to South Sevier....Reminds me do the days Wayne ball players "transferred" to South Sevier.

  • Charford Hurricane, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    Athletes transfer to different schools for many reasons statewide. Those who complain about it are always uninformed as to the truth, and usually trying to justify why their teams have lost. At any given moment we as adults can choose to be part of the problem or part of the solution. Lets choose to lift everyone up, encourage, praise, and recognize all for their efforts. Be mature enough to understand that someone wins and someone looses, and that's the nature of sports. Noone is to blame so let's stop looking to blame or find fault when the end result is not what we wanted. In the end, it's not about what we want anyway, it's about what the athletes learned along the way that matters. Lets teach the kids that excuses only serve to weaken ones character, and that taking full responsibility for winning or loosing defines the heart of a champion.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    @ JD Books

    How can someone enjoy basketball sooooo much when they obviously know sooooo little about it?

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    hahahahaha, JD books has no credibility whatsoever. Your team lost to one of the worst teams in 5A. No intelligent person thinks your little farm team would have any chance against Lone Peak. It's like reasoning with a 2 year old, they just don't have the capacity to understand when they are wrong so they just get louder. I do admit, your posts are quite amusing.

  • Crazy About Hoops Ogden, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Charford - Great positive comments that fit most situations. There are a number of unfair situations out in the sports world that are not done for ethical reasons. Lets not catagorize all transfers under the fair and positive catagory. Lets start with private schools who have no boundaries and public schools who do. Never has been fair. Some private schools have a different and new starting five each year, sometimes from overseas. I do realize that not all athletes in the public schools do not live in their boundaries, but most do. I know some students playing at private schools who live over 100 miles away and drive that everyday. Other states have separate leagues for private schools or have them play up a classification.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    The problem with the whole Private Schools have an unfair advantage arguement, is that history has shown that those schools don't win championships at any higher rate than the public schools. If you look at the results over time, there is no real advantage. However, when a public school that has a good team comes along (their "best team in years") and they end up getting knocked out of the tournament, they all cry foul.

    Every now and then, things align for a particular school, and they become dominant for several years (ie the football teams from Millard, or the wrestling teams from Delta during the 70's and 80's). The same thing can happen for a private or charter school, but the reality is it doesn't happen any more frequently.

    In a lot of cases, when those schools do end up with a blue-chip athlete, they usually lose them quickly to a larger school (ie Waterford and the Mika kid).

    Speaking of Waterford for example, they have been around for about 20 yrs, and they have one state title in basketball and one in baseball. The numbers just don't support the arguement.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    South Sevier does not recruit. They excel on the hardwood, gridiron and diamond on their own. The baseball team looks dominant this year.

  • bearfan tremonton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    Wow you guys are really overlooking Bear River in 3a. They lost to Morgan by 1 point twice. Morgan out shot them by more than 30 free throws in those games. Get good refs the win. They went into 5 overtimes to loose their other two losses in region 11. They missed an undefeated region season by the total of 4 points, missed 2nd place in region by 1 point and 1st place by 2 points. In pre season they beat 5A North Ridge, region 1 second place team, who beat Davis twice. Anyone can win on any given night. I'm just saying watch out for Bear River. You might get caught off guard. I guarantee Morgan doesn't want to play them again.

  • The Crimson Knight Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:05 a.m.

    Here's predictions from vegas baby! 4A here we go
    East (17-6) vs. Murray (13-10), East 71-62
    Play-in winner vs. Orem (19-3),Orem 54 Provo 47
    Maple Mountain (13-9) vs. Mountain Crest (15-5) Maple Mountain 65-61 OT
    Herriman (12-10) vs. Highland (14-8), Highland 56-50
    Lower bracket
    Springville (16-4) vs. Roy (16-6) Hardest game!!! Springville 85-84 3OT
    Westlake (8-14) vs. Bountiful (19-3) Bountiful 77-50
    Woods Cross (13-8) vs. Olympus (16-5) Olympus 67-60
    Sky View (15-8) vs. Timpview (17-3), Timpview 65-50
    4A is the best classification in the state this year with only the exception of Lone Peak. Orem, Bountiful, Springville, Timpview, Roy and Skyview are almost as good as Brighton the second best team in 5A.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 5:06 a.m.

    An average 5A team would dominate the 2A ranks. That is just a fact and no amount of delusion can change that.

    btw LP would probably beat SS by 60+ if they wanted to.

  • Jon Doe LOGAN, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    First off arguing over 2A is dumb. Lone Peak would whoop any team in the state no questions asked. You can't compare SS with them.....They aren't even on the same playing field. I agree with bearfan that bear river will be a tough team. When Wade wants to play he can light it up...His better games have been against Morgan which is why they were close. Still Morgan wins 3A.

  • Risher21 Lehi/Utah, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    @thecrimsonknight - It is hard to try and compare what classification is better when the last time any of these teams would have played is in the pre-season. I know that records can make it look like 4A is better but you have to remember that Davis, Weber, and Northridge are beating up on eachother and so they are all going to have their fair share of losses. Region 2 is terrible. Then region 3 has 2 good teams but still a down year for them and then region 4 had to play against Lone Peak. AF is a really good team and Bingham has depth. All I am saying is that 5A is beating eachother up, (with the exeption of region 2) they all have at least 2 to 3 good teams. 4A has 1 region with 3 good teams (region 8 - Orem, Timview, Springville). Bountiful, Mt. Crest, and Olympus all had cake walks in region. Not to say 4A isn't as good as 5A, I just think it is a lot closer than people realize. I do however Like your predictions for 4A and I think that it will be Olympus vs. Orem in the final. Olympus upsets.

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Bingham is finally going to part ways with Coach Dubach !

    Thank you, will they please hire a coach who knows how to build a program, he has plenty of talent, the sophs just went 23-0, and 8 of the 15 kids are freshman,

    So common Hicks!

    But again
    5A Lone Peak
    4A- I dont get why none of yah are giving Region 5 a chance, when you pick both maple mountain and springvile to upset there teams.
    This class is going to be up in the air becuase how many MEDIOCRE teams there are in the 4A classification.

    Can you all say... down year in utah high school basketball,
    Weber won Region 1 in 5A- Lost to 2A Wasatach Academy.
    West Jordan wont make the playoffs, Beat 2A SS
    Lone Peak beat Brighton by 40 points-They won Region 3
    Hunter is 10-0 in region plus champs-Will lose first round to Syracuse

    Alta beats Bingham
    Weber beats West/tville
    Syracuse beats Hunter
    AF vs Jordan should be a good contest
    LP kills WJ/OR CH
    Davis beats Kearns
    Brighton beats PG
    Northride beats Viewmont

    Alta/Weber
    Syracuse/AF
    LP/DAVIS
    Brighton/Northridge

    Weber/AF
    LP/Brighton

    LP/Weber

  • Charford Hurricane, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    Crazy about hoops.

    I agree some situations are not fair. I said kids transfer for many reasons, fair or not. But it still doesnt benefit anyone to focus on fairness. Its overcoming whats unfair, get up everyday and fight anyway, figuring out how to win regardless of the circumstances. If private schools recruit then public schools need to figure out how to compete. Juan Diego and hurricane played three yrs in a row for the state football title. Juan Diego won all three yrs on the last play of the game. Hurricane came back a fourth year and won the title. Hurricane hasnt recruited at all. In fact they have lost great kids to Pineview, and Dixie for several years. STILL a state championship caliber team. It comes down to leadership. Hurricanes football coaching staff is 1st class. South sevier high basketball coaches are the best in the state.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    sportsfan1- so, since you were bagging on Wasatch not having the shooters or athletes to play with Spanish Fork, does that mean they were just handily beaten by a really bad team? If my team were beaten by 10 pts, I wouldn't want to say the team who beat them weren't athletes or good shooters. Maybe Wasatch took off their cowboy boots to play this game huh?

    What is up with Binghamalum being able to sneak the slur "hicks" past the moderators. He's done this before and honestly, I am offended by it. I know a lot of people who wished they could live where I do, they are mostly from SOJO.

  • satch Highland, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    When was the last time a region 2 team got out of the first round of the state playoffs?

    In the 5A I think AF has a great shot at making the finals. They have some height and good players. I think they line up well in that bracket. On the other side of the bracket, several teams could have fared better had they been seeded in the top bracket. Brighton comes to mind.

    I wouldn't be surprised if region 4 won all four of their first round games. Region 2 is toast.

  • jlcougar72 Orem, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 8:38 p.m.

    Orem vs Timpview in the 4A State Championship game. Should be good!

  • TDowEsq Heber City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    Congrats to the surviving 3A teams. One thing is certain, Wasatch is the best sub-500 team left in the tourney.... Go WASPS! Down year? I don't think it is a down year for Utah high school hoops. Lone Peak #1 in the land (RESPECT)! Excellent teams throughout all classifications and overall high caliber young men, coaches and schools. It would be nice for Utah high school hoops to get the recognition of Utah high school football.... we have more work to do.

  • The Crimson Knight Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 22, 2013 12:30 a.m.

    Here we go 5A predictions! Sad to say but everyone is playing for second place as Lone Peak will win out, and win out handily trying to be in the top four to compete for the MAXpreps National Championship.
    Bingham (14-9) vs. Alta (13-8) Alta 72-62
    West/Taylorsville vs. Weber (19-3) Weber 61-48
    Syracuse (13-8) vs. Hunter (14-7) The Cuse 58-57
    Jordan (17-6) vs. American Fork (15-8) AF 77-76 OT
    Lower bracket
    Davis (16-5) vs. Kearns (15-8) Davis 71-59
    West Jordan/Copper Hills vs. Lone Peak (22-1) Lone Peak by 50
    Pleasant Grove (14-9) vs. Brighton (18-5) Brighton 78-65
    Viewmont (12-10) vs. Northridge (13-9) Northridge 61-59
    National Final 4: Lone Peak v Whitney Young. Lone Peak 72-70.Findlay Prep v Monteverde Mont 81-77
    National Championship: Lone Peak 102 Monteverde 98 2OT! Lone Peak avenges their only loss and wins the National Championship!

  • Slammer Lehi, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Crimson Knight:

    Where do you get the info that MaxPreps will host a 4 team National Championship playoff?

    Curious.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Go Rams! Only one more game to win and then you will "hoist the gold trophy".

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    JD- SS has to win 2 more right? Or are you saying that if the beat WA that the state will just give them the trophy?

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Feb. 22, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Yes, they technically have two games to win. The fact is, whoever wins the SS WA game tonight will be the state champs. No question, the other bracket is nowhere near as good.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Yes, I am sorry, they have to win two games and Emery gave SS all they wanted this year.

  • For Sure Lindon, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 6:03 p.m.

    JD Books

    Everyone keeps making a big deal about Parsons scoring 2000 pts. How many of these points were actually meaningful? His coach has left him in games that were blowouts to pursue this mark since he was a sophomore. There is a huge cost associated with this mark like lack of playing time for teammates and a team that really suffers when Race struggles. Look no further than the Orem tournament for evidence of that. Anyone that has followed this program can attest that it is, and has been, all about Race Parsons since he was a 16 year old Freshman. Tonite Wasatch Academy will expose South Sevier and show why a one man team loses when it really counts. McEwen and John are great defenders that are both quick, fast and athletic. This could be a blowout win for Wasatch Academy

  • WeberCatBasketballFan Midway, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    I just have one question... where are all the boys, region 9 boasters now? All northern region teams in the finals... 3/4 of the semi-final teams... northern.

  • zelmob57 Vernal, Ut
    Feb. 22, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Congratulations to Wasatch by one who stated they would not make it past their first postseason game. They played solid, disciplined ball and seemed to consistently improve as the year progressed. Kudos to players and coaches!

  • sports wife Gunnison, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 11:25 p.m.

    Good Luck Gunnison Bulldogs! :)

  • GrandDad Moab, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 12:03 a.m.

    Let me set the record straight.Fist off Austin Clark first played for Grand as a Freshman then went to live with his mother playing his sop year at North Sevier then she rented out her house and moved him to S. Sevier for his junior and senior season.He also averaged basically the same amount of points as Race did as a freshman and a sophomore. Then when he got to South Sevier he got to watch Race shoot a lot. I believe he would have done much better as an individual player at either N. Sevier or Grand than he ever did at S. Sevier. He was the most talented under used player in the state, because it was always about Race.Not taking anything away from Race, he is a fine player. However, I agree with "for sure" about a one person team it hurt them in the end. It's a good thing for AAU ball where Austin could actually play his true position, which is a guard not a power forward or center and could actually get seen. I believe he is going to a junior college in Wyoming after turning down numerous other offers.

  • Slammer Lehi, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    Congratulations to Wasatch Academy for making it to the 2A finals. Also congratulations to South Sevier for being a perennial contender!

    JD Books:
    Please entertain us one more time this weekend with your logic and excuses on this one. Please, please, please...

  • Odgen Sports Fan Ogden, Utah
    Feb. 23, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    Congrats to Region 11. They were way overlooked. Good luck to all 3 of them. 3 teams in the top 6 of the state. Bear River shot better than any HS team ever Friday night.

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    My guess is that there will be some coversation in the up coming months about what to do with private schools. Utah better wake up.

  • TDowEsq Heber City, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Congrats to Bear River and Morgan. Two excellent teams will play tonight and it will be a good one!
    Thank you for an awesome post season run Wasps... we are so proud of you and the growth you've made this year as men and as a team.

  • 2afan Layton, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    Carver,there is nothing to talk about or wake up to except those who are fine to play the private schools except when they win. As has been stated numerous times private schools have not dominated titles. While I was rooting for SS they aren't even in the hunt no pun intended without transfer Clark. No one in the informed community takes these anti private school attacks as anything but poor excuses. That said, if WA wins title I hope they move to 3a by special petition like LCA did a few years ago. And while LCA was forced down these last two years they do return to 2a next year.

  • EJB BLANDING, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Gunnison, who is playing in the 2A state title was beaten by San Juan, South Sevier, North Sevier, and South Summit during the regular season.Now these teams are sitting and watching a team they beat play in the title game. Wasatch Academy also beat them twice. I can't help but wonder what made the difference, the coaching or the boys. Either way congrats to Gunnison and may they continue to improve to beat Wasatch Academy.

  • For Sure Lindon, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Grand Dad is right on. Clark would have been better off statistically had he stayed at Grand or North Sevier. Fortunately he did play AAU ball and had the chance to showcase his numerous skills. I am still confused as to why the SS coaches didn't try to take advantage of Clarks versatility last night in the loss to WA. Had they moved him to the perimeter on offense it might have changed the game. Moving Race to the post and Clark to the perimeter would have helped them both score more points. The SS coaches have 1 plan and when that doesn't work it is game over. Good luck to WA in the finals, they are a truly talented team. If #24 for WA is really a 15 yr old Freshman he will play in the NBA someday. That kid is really good.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Feb. 23, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    Wow, Desnews really doesn't want me to comment anymore, so I will be as kind as possible so that my point can be made. Gunnison made it to the championship tonight because they were on the right side of the bracket. And it is my personal opinion that Wasatch Academy will defeat them by a margin of forty points in tonight's match-up. Thank you.

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    2afan, how wrong you are. To this point in time there has been very little to talk about. Any one who watched last nights game between SS and WA was looking at talent, not created by a good coach, but by years of coaching. Those WA players have been tuned for years and the door is open now for the other grazillion players outside this country waiting to get here. So let's get real here. 2afan, have you seen WA play? Mark my words, this is the start of big change by the UHSAA.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    Slammer....perennial contender? How many schools have hoisted two gold trophies in the history of their schools, let alone 2 out of the last 3 years? Congrats to Wasatch Academy on the win, they game planned to stop one of the top five players in any classification and they were able to do it. Hunt will look to the next generation of dairy farmers, elk hunters and hay haulers to start a new run next year. The lower grades at SS are loaded with talent and have already hoisted gold trophies at various jr. Jazz tournaments all over the state. There are more parsons in the bloodlines coming up.

  • 2afan Layton, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    Carver, I share your angst with WA but nothing is going to change nor should they at the UHSAA. My hope is that WA will move up to 3a where they will face stronger competition .

  • 2afan Layton, UT
    Feb. 23, 2013 7:21 p.m.

    Oh and yes I have seen them play

  • The Crimson Knight Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 24, 2013 5:33 a.m.

    Heres my top sixteen teams in state regardless of classification. Wish we could have a sixteen team tourney post classification tourney.
    1-Lone Peak
    2-Brighton
    3-Orem
    4-Bountiful
    5-Timpview
    6-Weber
    7-Springville
    8-American Fork
    9-Wasatch Academy (should not be 2A, they would have done fine in 4A)
    10-Alta
    11-Morgan (best 3A would be fine in 4A except for region 8 where they would struggle to even make tournament.)
    12-Davis
    13-Mt Crest
    14-Bingham
    15-Pleasant Grove
    16-South Sevier (Just to make JD happy)
    I'd like to hear some of your predictions if this tourney could happen. Who did I leave out? state your case.

  • Slammer Lehi, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    JD:

    You're making the players sound like livestock....

    Have some respect!

  • YEE HAW GUNNISON, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Huge shout out to the boys for GV for making a run at the title when no one else believed. And dont worry all you haters out there, I am not going to tell you GV could compete with any classification in the state. We are who we are... a small town team doing it the traditional route. I guess in our case we have a good run every 14 years :) But the ride these boys took us on this tourney will never be forgotten in our community.

  • Speak English - USA West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    I will say this right now; if Lehi, Riverton, Layton, or Copper Hills played in 2A or 3A, they would be hard to beat. I guess what I am saying is that in a tough region in 5A, teams that do not make it to state because they are beat up all region season would still be better than a 2A or 3A champion.

    I know you can argue that Wasatch Academy beat Weber, and that is a quality win. But if they had to follow up that win by playing Davis twice, Weber again, Northridge, Layton, and Syracuse they would get killed! South Sevier lost to West Jordan, a team that was 7-16 this year. Over the course of a long region season, there is no way the smaller teams could do it. No way. Can you imagine how badly beat up South Sevier, WA, or Morgan would be playing Lone Peak, American Fork, Bingham, Pleasant Grove, and Riverton if they replaced Lehi as the 6th region team?

  • YEE HAW GUNNISON, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    The continual banter about 2A schools beating 5A and 5A school dominating 2A is funny to listen to. Just the facts.. in 2A schools you will be very lucky to find enough basketball talented kids to even field a competitive varsity team at the 2A level. In order to do that you have to rob the very best players from juniors and sophomore and sometimes freshman to build a varsity team. By doing so, thinning out an already razor thin JV and freshman roster. We are very grateful for the kids that dedicate themselves to basketball but yet still being responsible to give the same dedication and loyalty to baseball and football. Once every ten years we get superstars at our level and this discussion crops up. Very rarely could a traditionally homegrown 2A school compete at a higher classification. 2A folks.. be grateful for the unique environment we have to develop athletes and young men in our small communities. College basketball scholarships are not the end game for high school athletics.

  • chenderson1207 LAYTON, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    @TheCrimsonKnight I think Northridge is top 16, cconsidering they lost to Bountiful by 1, lost to Weber by one in OT, barely lost to Alta, and beat Davis twice. They are pretty solid.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 24, 2013 8:49 p.m.

    YEE haw- I agree with you, but I would still like to see the state adopt a super state tourny where all the classifications finalists were put into a tourney and let them play it out and see who wins. I'm sure that most year 5&4A teams would win it, but every few years I think a smaller school would win it and earn some bragging rights.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Josey,

    That super tourney idea has been floated to the powers that be at UHSAA and they nix it because of baseball starting.

  • Risher21 Lehi/Utah, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    It's not only about Baseball but they also have a moratorium, where the coaches aren't allowed to coach their players for almost a month after the tournament is over.
    I wish they would do what California is doing this year. They are calling it the super 16, where they take the best 16 teams from any classification (they could have all teams from a single classification if they wanted) but they take the best 16 teams from the state and they have a tourney. These teams from what I understand don't even play in their respected divisions state tournament, just this double elimination super 16 tourney. But like you all have said and what i stated they have reasons that they don't do it here in Utah.