Ah, Universal Background checks.Recent polls show 90+ percent
supported them.Unconstitutional? Unreasonable? Obviously not a
crazy proposal as it was once fully supported, even pushed by the NRA.What good are current background checks when they are so easy to get
around?I find it hard to understand why the GOP would rather stand
with the (current) NRA position than that of their constituents.Man,
the gun lobby must be giving them obscene amounts of money to have them go
against the overwhelming will of the people.
Universal backgrond checks equal gun registration. It is none of the Govs.
busniess how many guns I have and nobody elses either. Gun registration is the
natural step to confiscation. No compromise on the second.
I am a gun owner and strong supporter of the Second Amendment. While I have
many reservations about banning 'Assault' weapons and high-capacity
magazines (which makes no sense, such magazines jam more often than 10-round
magazines, and I can switch out a magazine in less than 3 seconds), I do NOT
have a problem with background checks on gun purchases, and absolutely support
closing the 'gun-show loophole'. A universal background check is not
going to prevent any law-abiding citizen from purchasing a gun. In those
instances where a person has been denied, there is an appeal process in place.
@mokohat "Gun registration is the natural step to confiscation."Wow, that's quite a leap of logic you just made. If registration
comes right before confiscation, tell me why the government hasn't come to
confiscate my car yet? Or my boat? Because I've been registering those
things for years. Maybe they lost my registration.
Just curious, how many of the "ganster-thugs" who are responsible for
most of the "gun violence" bought there guns from a gun show???
NONE!!!! This will have zero effect on reducing gun violence but make everyone
feel good about doing "something".
An "F" from the NRA is an "A" grade from people with any more
than zero sense.I applaud the courage of these Senators. It's
a shame neither of our Senators from Utah share any of it.
Obama10 -- how about some supporting documentation for that claim? As a former
cop, I can tell you from personal experience that you are wrong.And
-- just for the record -- probably 2/3 of active gang bangers are legally
allowed to carry guns because they have never been convicted of a felony. They
might have dozens of misdemeanors -- some violent -- but without a felony
conviction, their guns must be returned to them.
"My problem with background checks is you're never going to get
criminals to go through background checks" -Wayne LaPierre, NRA executive
vice presidentObama10, you and Mr. LaPierre don't seem to get
that universal background checks have never been about disarming organized
crime, or gangbangers cruising Compton, or hardened criminals in general. That
problem will have to be addressed another way. However, what universal
background checks will do is make it harder for petty criminals to get guns, and
harder for others with a record of known violent crime risk factors (e.g.,
certain mental illnesses) to get guns.This isn't about
"feel(ing) good about doing 'something,'" it's about
taking proactive steps (even if they are incremental ones, though I believe this
to be much more than incremental) to improve on the status quo with regard to
I'm thinking some people have been handling the lead in their bullets a
little to long, and have got it into their brain, which is the only reason they
can't logically understand regulation vs. lawless free for all.Please remember to wash your hands w/soap and cool water after handling your
The shooter in colorado purchased 6,000 rounds of ammunition before he went on
to kill Americans watching a movie.All guns purchased in the Sandy
Hook shooting, killing 20 children in school were legally purchased.You can by pass any back ground check if you go to a gun show and purchase a
gun with cash.It's time to do this.
@mohokot"Gun registration is the natural step to confiscation."Seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy, after all I had no interest in
the gov't confiscating your guns until now that you've demonstrated a
level of paranoia that makes me question why you should be allowed to have guns.
The left's ultimate goal is confiscation of guns. All types of guns. From
law abiding citizens.They just cannot do that until they get a list
of all guns and gun owners. That is now being attempted, disguised as innocent
sounding "universal background checks."If it was about
keeping bad guys from getting guns, the feds, or Utah would have prosecuted SOME
of the 2,000 plus prohibited persons who tried to buy guns in Utah last year but
were turned down by background checks. When actual prosecutions are in the
single digits, that proves that they do not care about using background checks
to disarm criminals. So, it must be some other purpose.If they can
devise a system that only confirms that a purchaser is NOT on the list of
prohibited persons, and no record is kept after that, go ahead. Just remember,
illegals can get fake ID of all sorts within hours, and crooks will do the same
and also evade background checks, by using "straw purchasers."NO background check expansion should be passed, unless those voting for it
admit it is merely a tool to build their confiscation lists.
@ Brrave RobinTalk about leaps, Guns vs cars, boats or whatever toy
you might be trying to impress us with. None of those are under assault, Guns
are. But you knew that. Outstanding comparison. How far down did you have to
dredge for that? So astounding and to the point I am speechless. Fruit and nuts
and you know how that works.
@atl134 It is called the Constitution and the Second Amendment. Something that
always gets in the way of Liberals. Obviously you have no interest in that
either! But we knew that.
"NO background check expansion should be passed, unless those voting for it
admit it is merely a tool to build their confiscation lists."Well, I would vote for universal background, along with 90+ % of the rest of
the population.However, I cannot ADMIT that it is a tool to build a
confiscation list because I dont see it that way.Additionally, I am
not concerned that the US government will take arms against me, therefore I see
no reason to keep a tank in my garage.You are entitled to your
beliefs, but that does not make them sound.
2 points: 1. How would universal background checks have stopped
what happened at Newtown? They wouldn't.2. So if I want to
sell my old shotgun to my neighbor and get a new one....how do I as a private
citizen run a background check on him?
@mohokatActually I'm pretty sure it was the NRA that suggested
our focus on gun purchase limitations should be based on mental health issues.
Regardless, I don't want a ban on all guns, I just want it to
be harder for criminals to get guns and I feel the way to do that is to go after
gun sales and make sure there's background checks on all gun purchases. The
Supreme Court ruled that total gun bans are unconstitutional but even Scalia
suggested that that doesn't mean there can't be regulations on guns.
@atl134 Respectfully, I do not have a problem with keeping guns away from
criminals and mentally ill people..Background checks on all gun sales? If I
transfer ownership of a gun to my son and neither one of us is a criminal I do
not want to have to go through a federal web to make that happen. Universal gun
check is that! Universal gun checks is gun registration. That is the first thing
a corrupt government needs to start confiscation. I believe we now have in place
a corrupt government. One word that rings out is Infringed. "Shall not be
infringed". My right specifically spelled out in the Constitution. That is
what all this is is an infringement. Law abiding gun owners having to jump
through hoops(infringed) because of a few nut jobs.
How does one propose "keeping guns away from criminals and mentally ill
people" without a background check?
Our government has sent guns to Mexican cartels, and WMD's to Egypt.Federal government, being the employee of the American people, should
be the ones having a background check, but our commander doesn't seem to