Unconstitutional?Didn't we hear this same claim about
Healthcare reform?How did that work out...?Using the
word unconstitutional has become popular in regards to anything Obama does. But
history has proven that is not the case.
@Pagan"Using the word unconstitutional has become popular in regards
to anything Obama does."That's because a lot of what he
does is unconstitutional such as providing amnesty to certain categories of
illegal immigrants violating equal treatment under the law. Even his election
as president appears to be unconstitutional until his citizenship can be
'That's because a lot of what he does is unconstitutional....' This claim is proven wrong. As I had mentioned and given an example.
Let me explain again since you are making the claim with zero evidence.
Obama's actions were proven constitutional by the Supreme court in...Healthcare Reform.
Pagan,First, welcome back! Haven't heard much from you until
just recently. Hope you are well.so when the COURT says Obamacare
is OK you agree that it is constitutional, but you disagree when a COURT says
BO's action are unconstitutionalLet me explain again since you
seem to have misunderstood the article. The COURT said BO's actions in
bypassing the senate were unconstitutional.
@Pagan:"Obama's actions were proven constitutional by the Supreme
court in... Healthcare Reform."Obamacare has nothing to do with
granting amnesty to a certain class of illegal immigrants. Regarding
unconstitutional conduct, the US Constitution requires all citizens be treated
equally (equal protection under the law). Granting amnesty to a certain class
of illegal immigrants (kids up to age 30) violates equal treatment. Amnesty for
these people also violates immigration laws passed by the US Congress. On this
issue alone Obama could/should be impeached because, in his oath of office he
vowed to uphold the Constitution and see that the laws of the land are
faithfully executed.On your point, the Supreme Court did not hold
Obamacare to be constitutional. It held that the governmnet cannot compel
anyone to buy anything under the Commerce clause (individual mandate)...
specifically health insurance. The Court did hold that the government can
collect a penalty for failing to buy insurance under constitutional taxation
Is this surprising at all? I am not sure Obama even knows what the Constitution
is. And, Mr. Bean is correct, Obama Care was not deemed constitutional. What
surprises me is how people defend him. I seriously do not get it. There are
definetely wayward children on both sides of the parties, but this guy is as
Un-American as you can get for being the POTUS. How can people not see this guy
is playing celebrity, enjoys the publicity and benefits of being POTUS. Really,
who wouldn't? But we need someone who is a real President who truly puts
country first, not just individuals, individual groups and or minorities. So
before you lefties get on your horse and start riding, this same advice goes for
the house and senate.
Pagan, as these other posters pointed out, it was the court that said his
appointments were unconstitutional. Please reread the article.
Sending billions, and WMD's to the Muslim Brotherhood is constitutional?People make fun of Manti Teo, and his false girlfriend, but will beleive
Obama is the annointed one.Go figure.
I'm beginning to think that Obama studied constitutional law to search for
weaknesses or loop holes that he could use to his advantage.
While I agree that these pro forma sessions — some lasting less than a
minute — are a sham, I am glad that the court ruled Obama's actions
as unconstitutional. It is just a shame that our elected officials are playing
such games instead of doing the jobs we send them to do in Washington. The fact
that both sides are doing it is no excuse. Just like it is no excuse that Obama
out of frustration take's it upon himself to rule like a king without
regard to constitutional powers.The system in Washington is broken
and gets very little done. The point is not if these pro forma sessions are
legal, the point is that the Senators give themself a 3 week vacation instead of
battle things out like they are supposed to do.While watching the
news yesterday, my 9th grader commented that if congress would sit on some hard
metal chairs, maybe they would bet things done faster.
If this stands, so be it. But with these rules in place, grid lock will be the
rule of the day, and at some point, the shoe will be on the other foot when a
Republican administration will want to get things done - and through silly
games, will now be just as confounded in doing the peoples business.Just look at the ATF. 6 years without a leader. And the results we have
now.... a gun debate out of control because for all purposes there is no longer
any legal authority able to manage the laws we do have. Same with judges, and
other appointments. The administrative branch will be neutered anytime you have
a divided government.
Good job Senator Hatch!
So 171 recess appointments by Bush were okay.Obama has made 32.(Source, Congressional Resource Service)One was ruled
unconstitutional because the House claimed they had been "in session"
when the appointments were made -- even though none of them were actually in
Washington.I guess it makes as much sense as anything else the GOP
old man,so when the dems used the same rules to claim they were in
session to thwart bush it was OK and bush had to abide by it, but when the
repubs tried the same thing, BO could just ignore it? typical dem double
standard.And it is the senate, not that house, that has advice and
consent powers. Just further evidence how little liberals know about or care
for that old rag called the constitution."wingnuts" more
hate speech from the DNC and MSNBC?
Its very apparent that Obama is playing to the letter of the law and not the
intent of the laws and its about time he be forced to obey them to the fullest
intent and meaning. His intentional and criminal acts of defiance cannot be
tolerated any longer, including using his postilion of vengeful prejudices to
subvert state rights and laws by DOJ and spy agency's with no
jurisdiction.The supreme courts makes mistakes all the time and the
HCA was very much one of their most heinous mistakes in the history of the
existence of this government. Especially when the supreme court judge involved
was a very close and personal pal of Obama with very biased and wrongfully
applying his ruling. They didn't even read the Health care Act so how can
there be any semblance of judicial investigation or affirmation of this law. The HCA can still be repealed by the congress and make the supreme court
ruling and irrelevant issue Which is what has to be done if we don't want
to bankrupt this country and every semblance of persoanl accounts in federal
trust and custody.
@My2Cents:"The HCA can still be repealed by the congress and make the
supreme court ruling and irrelevant..."This will not likely
happen since it would have to be Republicans and they would need to control all
three branches of government... which is an unlikely scenario. That the
Democrats had total control is how we got the ACA in the first place. I'm
afraid ACA is here to stay in some form or another. The Supreme Court had a
great opportunity to kill it by Roberts screwed it up."...Which
is what has to be done if we don't want to bankrupt this country and every
semblance of persoanl accounts in federal trust and custody."This country is already bankrupt. We're on a high right now but will be
feeling the results big time in the coming years. God help us.
All you liberal posters who called for John Swallow to be put on administrative
leave while we investigate should be calling for the same for the president. But no. Double standard is what it is all about.
HE should do the only logical thing---fire/terminate the court!
"...during that time, GOP lawmakers argued, the Senate technically had
stayed in session because it was gaveled in and out every few days for so-called
pro forma sessions...".We got um...even though it
was only on a technicality...So what...we still got
revealing news here is the hide and seek working conditions of the congress.Work T, W, TH...Anytime they don't want to work during
their 3 day work week, they gavel out... yet are technically still working...Anywhere else that would be FRAUD.However, nice work @
$175,000 per/yr with benefits no less...if you can get it.F, SA, SU, M they raise money for re-election after re-election after
re-election.It's a tough job, but someone has to do it...Finally..."...The three-judge panel, all appointed by
Republican presidents..."A 3-judge republicon panel always tops
a Democratic Administration...Howls of laughter from
republicons...But what about the ACA ruling?Howls of
laughter from Democrats...But wait it gets better..."...Either the Senate is in session or it is in recess...".We left recess in Elementary School?Didn't we?Not