Of course a big part of the "future fights" refers to the debt
ceiling.I heard a line on Fox yesterday where a "financial
expert" explained that "raising the debt ceiling gives Obama the ability
to spend more money". And some wonder why Fox news viewers get it wrong so
often.The concept is not that difficultSpending must be
voted on by congress. And it is. Money is then spent (spending
approved by congress).Then the bill must be paid. Raising the
debt ceiling allows you to pay the bill. Period.You may not like
what your spouse bought on the credit card, but you still have to pay the
bill.Congress, specifically the GOP, wants to hold back the credit
card payment on things that were purchased earlier. (and a big chunk of it, THEY
As Joe Blow stated, not raising the debt ceiling is the same as sitting down and
eating a meal, then refusing to pay for it. Congress controls spending, not the
president. If you think the country is spending too much money, look to
congress. The president does not control the purse strings.
Article 1 section 7 of the United States Constitution, paragraph 1: All Bills
for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives;... Since this "fiscal cliff" bill deals with taxes (Revenues), in
order for it to be Constitutional, it is required to have originated in the
House of Representatives. Since it started in the senate, it is an
unconstitutional law. But then so was the "Obamacare" law -- it was
judged to have a tax provision in it by the SCOTUS and also originated in the
senate. Our national legislators are violating the oath they swore to uphold
the Constitution of the United States -- but I guess that oath doesn't mean
@ Lone Eagle. Excellent point! Is the "constitution hanging by a thread"
I have a prediction.I see the left and right voters coming together in
short time, maybe within the next 10 years, and revolting against all
politicians.I see the federal government dwindling to manage just a very
small piece of this nation.What will trigger this event?Total
bankruptcy of the nation.It's coming...
You guys must be livid that Mitch McConnell would so blatantly disregard the
constitution by spearheading this illegal legislation.Why does the
GOP not have more respect for this sacred document?
Lone Eagle, congress did attempt to originate this legislation. But Boehner
could not get the votes for it. So the House then stated they were waiting on
the Senate to do something first. The Senate had already passed a bill a few
months ago, but the House refused to bring it up for a vote. So the Senate had
to go back and start over. And they did. And it passed. So now congress can
keep spending money the same way they have been.
Anyone else notice how the elected officials from Utah voted on this bill?4 voted against1 voted forIf you think Matheson was
the single vote for you would be wrong. It was Hatch who voted yes while
Matheson voted no along with Bishop, Chaffetz and Lee.
He signed the bill in Hawaii? That's just not right.
Actually, the bill DID originate in the House. The House passed a bill back in
the summer that went to the Senate but never got consideration there until now.
What the Senate did is, basically, was to finally take up the House-passed bill
and then replace almost all of the text of it by the amendment process. The
bill then went back to the House, which agreed to the Senate amendments in the
vote held last night.
@Joe BlowFox news does not get it wrong very often. They are not
afraid to tell you the truth about Pres. Obama. During the campaign I heard Fox
talk more about Obama's poor economic record than any other network. They
warned us of the new taxes that were hidden in "Obamacare" that no one
else wanted to talk about. You are right that Congress is in charge of
spending. From 2008 -2010 Obama had Democrats in control of both Houses. That
is when he passed the stimulus which gave over a billion dollars to bankrupts
companies such as Solyndra, Ener 1 etc.. He also got "Obamacare" passed
which caused him to lose the House of Representatives. Of course I did not vote
for him I voted for fiscal responsibility and the main stream media ignored his
record and helped him get back into office.
JoeBlow is correct...except that those who rate nations and set interest could
care less about the excuses. All they see is the USA printing money and
spending like they had something in the bank.My wife may be a nice person
but the mortgage company, the car loan company and the credit card company
don't care why we aren't paying the bills.So it goes with
America. When "the full faith and credit of the United States" becomes
a meaningless phrase, we won't care that congress followed their own
spending rules.Once again congress and the president sent a message to the
world that we are fiscally out of control.
MorganHI am the first to say that the Dems are big spenders. Many
on the right will agree with me. The dems have and will continue to spend us
into oblivion.As you said - "You are right that Congress is in
charge of spending. From 2008 -2010 Obama had Democrats in control of both
Houses. "But lets look at the complete picture. From 2001-2006
Bush had Republicans in control of both houses. Yes, he cut taxes, but increased
spending. The GOP let house, senate and president got us into wars that they
did not fund, then gave us all a check for surplus taxes while cutting tax
rates.I will not (and can not) defend the record of the Democrats.
But, if I could only get those on the right to see that their beloved GOP is
equally guilty, I would be happy.Bottom line - both GOP and the Dems
have dug a hole. One can argue who dug more, but the differences are minute
regardless of who is worse.Now the right will proceed to tell me how
Obama is worse (while closing their eyes, plugging their ears and chanting la la
la la la la)
@lone eagle your right they are suppose to originate in the house and all
the representatives of the house should be thrown out for abdicating their
responsibilities to the senate. The house failed to meet its most basic
Both parties are responsible for the current budget mess. Both parties have
voted for and passed legislation over the past 30 years to cut taxes and
increase spending. Both parties are owned by lobbyists who fund their election
campaigns and then get special treatment in return. Both parties are filled with
career politicians who have made millions of dollars for their
'service' and will continue to make millions more with their lucrative
pensions. Who is to blame for this? All of us! Why do we continue to
accept the status quo? Surveys show Congress has an approval rating in the low
teens, yet a majority of the members get re-elected.Here are some
ideas to change the status quo.#1 - Term limits for members of
Congress#2 - Eliminate pension for members of Congress#3 -
Congressional district boundaries determined by non-partisan board#4 -
Members of Congress lose their salary if they fail to pass a budget on time#5 - Public funding of campaignsIf members of congress
weren't so concerned with getting re-elected they might start doing what is
best for America even if that means passing unpopular legislation.
Matt4226 & Joe Blow-Excellent comments and spot on. We won't get
control of our goverment and change our predicatment until we change how our
politicans are choosen and what type of compensation they receive. We need real
leaders and Amerian patriots to stand up and say, do and create groundwork for
the following:1) We serve for a limited time2) We get paid no more
than the average of our contstiutents3) We get no pension, other than what
we contribute while we serve4) Our campaign spending is limited so that
all can run, not just the wealthy or those who sell out to the deepest
pockets.These things would represent real change and restore
democracy to the greatest country on Earth.
This deal could have been pulled off a month ago and ended the uncertainty
during the Christmas season. I'm tired of these guys always coming down to
the last minute. They continue to kick the spending problem down the road. But
what should we expect from the circus we call congress. Poor old Boehner then
gets dressed down by Cristy for lack of spending for Sandy victims. The
republican party is a mess.