I say bring the "fiscal cliff" on. It may be THE only way we will get
any significant spending cuts as long as Obama is in the White House. Obama and
the Democrats get something they want; more taxes and the Republicans get
something they want and the country needs; significant mandatory spending cuts!
The 47% get to pay taxes along with the rest of us, sounds fair, doesn't
it? Everyone gets to sacrifice for our country, not just the "rich".
The defense department cuts should be increased. The Bush Cheny Iraq contractors
have plundered enough.
@MountanmanI obviously see and frame it differently but I actually agree
with you on being fine with going over the fiscal cliff and staying over it.
Going over the "cliff" may be our only option. It is revealing that
something concocted as so odious that the Congress could not and would not let
it stand, may now go into effect because there is no ability to get things
done.Common sense and working together have gone out of vogue.
Wrangling and posturing are preferred to doing things to save the country. A
few are so sure they are right that they would risk the country to prove it.
It's not about WHAT is right, it is about WHO is right.Imagine
if that is how things functioned where you work? This level of rancor is why
our bond rating was cut. If I were comparing sovereign debt, I would think hard
about this as well.I know I am getting old. I keep looking for the
grownups in the room and realize that, at least on my side of the political
divide, most of them have either retired or have been retired by the young
turks.Sadly, some view partisan loss as a worse outcome than damage
to the nation.
MountanmanHayden, IDI say bring the "fiscal cliff" on. ============ It must be the end of the world.Mountanman and I finally agree.Although for reasons diametrically
opposed.I say bring it on, and let America see the suicide
bomb the GOP constructed and set to go off after the 2012 election, and then
hoped to magially defuse once their guy got into office to save the day -- and
then didn't.This could go down as a new chapter in America
history as: The BACK-Fire heard around the World!
It's frustrating that the MSM carry the water for the President so much.
He's the alleged leader of the Country and he hasn't shown any
willingness to lead on the spending/ debt crisis facing the nation. Was it my
imagination or did he not promise to cut the Federal deficit in half in his
first Presidential campaign? Wasn't it him that promised to go through the
budget line by line and eliminate all unnecessary spending? I'm sorry but
all he knows how to do is campaign. He is incapable of leading a nation. I mean,
the man gives a eulogy at a funeral and gives a speech about himself. Could he
possibly be anymore self-absorbed?
Is there a photo of boehner available where he doesn't look like he's
about to cry?
Going "over the cliff" won't be the problem. But staying over it
will be. The economy is fragile, we need economic growth that will not likely
occur unless the 98% have the funds to stimulate growth, and the deficit will
not be reduced without the 2% who have most benefited from the tax structure for
the last 10 years, paying a little more. Economys are quite a bit about public
confidence. That confidence will be restored over time if we take steps to hold
taxes down on middle class consumers and find some solid grownd to cut costs.
And cuts should not just be placed on the backs of seniors and the less
fortunate. The military and defense industry must be restructured to meet the
needs of this new century, and we must abandon these necon notions of a new
Let's just eliminate the defense department after all who is there to fear
in the world anymore? North Korea is as harmless as a kitten and China is just
overblown. Russia is our best friend. We don't even need a military.
Instead lets just use that money to give it freely to whom ever wants it -
illegal or otherwise and then join hands, smoke that new legal Marijuana and
watch American Idol. Maybe we could kick it all off with a HUGE rock concert
where free pot and free love are everywhere? Sounds like something right out of
Ah, GREED.The new American ideal.
With Boehner unable to muster the votes for even his "Plan B" option,
which was intended to give him some leverage against the Democrats, the
Republican leadership in the House has suffered a serious set back.At this point it appears Boehner has no other option but to wait until the
Senate and Obama come up with a "take it or leave it" offer, a position
now much more to their liking, and then be forced to present it for a vote in
the House. The President and Harry Reid need to convince enough House
Republicans to support it who don't want to be tarred & feathered with
failing to avoid the fiscal cliff, which doesn't seem too hard to do, at
this point. Republicans are on the run.Boehner's dramatic Plan
B failure is in the same ball park as Romney's sobering election day. The
paralysis among the House GOP is really something to behold. Obama's hand
got much, much stronger, the House now appears open for a Democrat-Moderate(or
vulnerable) GOP majority to govern.
I wouldn't view it as apocalyptic but most of us better get used to living
the standard of living of say Bulgaria...
GW Bush started not 1, but 2 wars 12 years ago.Congress never came
up with a plan to pay for it.In fact - as stupid as it seems now -- they
came up with the idiotic idea to actually CUT revenues and taxes, while in fact
exploding the spending.I've been blaming GW Bush and the GOP
for the past 12 years,I'm STILL blaming them for the mess we're
What? Expiration of the Bush tax rates will cause the middle class to pay more
in taxes? Then why were we told those tax cuts were only for the rich?