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In our opinion: Benghazi fallout

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  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    Kerry was running interference for Obama to help pave the way for his nomintaion for Sec. of State.
    The administration knows exactly what happened and is stonewalling. Clinton's head ache? Does that trump executive privledge? Either way stonewalling. The truth is Americans were dying and Obama is still lying.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Dec. 22, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    No Deseret News, the whole problem was Susan Rice. She misinformed the American Public on National TV. She was just "stupid". How can you blame the State Department for bad policy and the congress for lack funding, when we all know because McCain and Graham told us so, that the problem was Ms. Rice. How can you be so blind DN? The real villian here is our Ambassador to the United Nations. You know she works at thet evil international body that seeks to take away U.S. soverignty at every turn. Don't believe me, Look at that disability treaty they tried to foster on us. Thank God for the Utah congressional delagation for putting those dangerous dissabled persons in their place and thwarting the UN's attempt to control Utah Schools.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 22, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    Agree. There ought to be a House cleaning, starting with the UT delegation.

    CNN Anchor Soledad O’Brien asks, “Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?”
    Chaffetz answers, “Absolutely. Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have… 15,0000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in touch economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.”

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Dec. 22, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    The report on Benghazi came out this week, and the State Department took it in the shorts, causing three resignations of high level types inside a week. "Stonewalling" should be made of sterner stuff. In fact, it WAS under GWB, when one could never tell where the lies ended and the ignorance began. I'm sure mo noticed, and protested at the time, given that thousands of deaths and injuries resulted.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    I think the bigger issue is that the Administration lied to the American people repeatedly about the nature of the attack. The President lied on the David Letterman show. Susan Rice lied on 5 Sunday talk shows. It's surprising how many Americans are comfortable with that. What else will they lie to you about? It's disturbing because there was no reason to lie - all Susan Rice had to say was that we are still gathering intelligence to determine the nature of the attack. That's all. But for some reason they chose to blame it on an irrelevant video- possibly to make Americans more comfortable with giving up their first amendment right to free speech.
    If this had been the Bush administration it would have been non stop coverage on the alphabet channels. But it was a Democrat administartion so of course it's " nothing to see here folks- move along". Chilling.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 22, 2012 12:00 p.m.

    Re:Redstatepride

    Rice suggested that the protest was used as a cover by extremists who had a plan. It turns out that she was half-wrong, and the attackers -- who did cite the video as a justification -- acted without a spontaneous protest covering their tracks. But the larger "Benghazi-gate" narrative was based on a bunch of partial readings of Obama statements and an obsession with the word "terrorism."

    If you actually go back and read Obama's statements he talks about Libya and Egypt and the unrest in general terms. He even applies the phrase "act of terror."

    Despite the GOP's best attempt to make this look like a big conspiracy and cover-up there is liitle supporting evidence. The larger issue, addressed by the investigation is the lack of security in the first place and changes that need to be made.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    @truthseeker - maybe you should ask Rudy Guiliani what Susan Rice said about the Benghazi attack on Meet the Press because he called her out on it on the spot using the exact expression to describe what she was saying.
    But OK, we'll accept your explanation. When Ambassador Steven's dead body was dragged through the streets of Benghazi he was actually (as Hillary said) being taken to the hospital by concerned Libyans. We'll pretend that Obama and Hillary didn't use the return of Ambassador Steven's casket as a photo opportunity to perpetuate the "offensive video" propaganda. Let's pretend Libyan officials didn't tell American officials within hours that the Benghazi attack was carried out by an Al Quaeda affiliated group. We'll forget all that.
    There still is a question of why 7 hours after being advised of the attack on American soil the administration still had not rendered any assistance. I'm sure you can spin that also.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    "What the nation needs now is assurance that what should never have happened in the first place will never happen again". Why are they saying this now. Attacks have occurred on our consulates in the recent and close to a hundred people have died. No doubt mistakes were made but to suggest the State Department needs to overhaul its procedures to assess risks when they have been doing this for over a century is a bit brazen and blatantly political. Where is the Editorial Boards demand that assurances be made that innocent school children "never again" die.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 22, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    You know, it is instances like this that shows how rapidly people will decline and defer to their most base instincts. The idea that this was an issues specific to a particular administration only highlights how little people understand how our government functions. The vast majority of these personalities directly involved span multiple administrations working in the state department. If there was gross incompetence, there has been so for many administrations.

    Case and point. Some 10 years ago we have a catastrophic bridge collapse on a national highway span in Milwaukee. The problem with this bridge, and many others, had been present for a long time. But budgets and priorities had been other places. Likewise with the recent series of gun violence that has captured the nations attention... just because there had not been an incident for a long time did not mean there danger of events like these were not present.

    Policy is often a reaction to the issue de jour. Embassy security has been under funded for decades, because we have been lucky. It's like driving drunk... you get away with it until something very bad happens. Something very bad happened... and only now will it get attention.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 22, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    Re:RedStatePride
    Rather than relying on blatantly false sources, perhaps you should spend a few mins and actually read the Benghazi report yourself.

    From Adm Mike Mullen and Thomas Pickering's report:

    "With the clearing of smoke, Ambassador Stevens’ rescuers found him within a room in the safe area of Villa C, did not know his identity, pulled him out through an egress window, and sought medical attention for him. Although the Ambassador did not show signs of life upon arrival at the BMC, doctors attempted to resuscitate him for some 45 minutes before declaring him deceased, by apparent smoke inhalation."

    "The Board determined there were no warnings from Libyan interlocutors."

    "The Board found no evidence of any undue delays in decision making or denial of support from Washington or from the military combatant commanders. Quite the contrary: the safe evacuation of all U.S. government personnel from Benghazi twelve hours after the initial attack and subsequently to Ramstein Air Force Base was the result of exceptional U.S. government coordination and military response and helped save the lives of two severely wounded Americans."

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    Chaffetz should get on the trail of the 26 dead Americans (children) and quit trying to be the fox nes congress right wing extremist guy.

  • Truthseeker2 SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
    Dec. 22, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Are you censoring my posts again DN?

    Adm Mike Mullen and Ambassador Thomas Pickering headed a panel to examine what went wrong in Benghazi. Did DN editors read the unclasified version of the report before writing this editorial? My guess is "no."

    DN, instead chose to mischaracterize John Kerry's comments about "mistakes" ---meaning multiple---as if the Administration is brushing Benghazi off as a "mistake"--singular.

    I understand DN is trying to appeal to a certain type of (ill-informed) reader, but i would expect higher standards.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Dec. 23, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    To get "to the bottom" of this issue, you must go to the top. Anyone with any brains at all knows Obama is responsible for this whole mess; it was his policy that created the problem, it was his order to send out Susan Rice to lie to everybody. Let's stop kidding ourselves, Obama is easily the most dishonest president in history--sadly, the press lets him get away with it, even defend his lies. This must stop.

  • CTM SAN ANTONIO, TX
    Dec. 23, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    As a former State Department employee, I can tell you in a minute what the underlying problem is: funding. The Department has been forced to conduct worldwide diplomacy with ever decreasing funds. I visited my daughter at her post in Asia recently and was shocked at the lack of security there. When I asked "Where are the Marines?" I was told there was no funding for security that high. While Diplomatic Security does bear some responsibility for the lack of security in Benghazi, the the bulk of the blame lies squarely at the feet of the entity that approves, authorizes, and in recent years has cut funding. That entity is the US Congress. It is disingenuous of Congressmen such as Chaffetz to deny adequate funding for the Department of State and then when something happens try to pass the buck.

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Dec. 23, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    @Mike in Cedar City:
    "No Deseret News, the whole problem was Susan Rice. She misinformed the American Public on National TV."

    Susan Rice told what to say by higher authority... someone in the White House. They didn't want the Libya fiasco to interfere in any way with the then upcoming election. They got caught with their pants down. Now they are trying their best to obfuscate the situation, hoping it will eventually go away.

    And to think... we have this guy for the next four years.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 23, 2012 9:12 p.m.

    "Susan Rice told what to say by higher authority... someone in the White House. They didn't want the Libya fiasco to interfere in any way with the then upcoming election. They got caught with their pants down. Now they are trying their best to obfuscate the situation, hoping it will eventually go away. "

    This is the goofiest logic ever. Just like in the Susan Powell case, or even the sad events of the last two weeks with the shootings, in the first few days after any of these events, the facts a fuzzy, sketchy, inaccurate, and often filled with speculation. Alfred, what, do you think the mayor of Newtown is involved in some kind of cover up because they have been slow to release details and motive of why the attacks happened.

    The problem is we have a crowd that spends their days trying to find, wishing for anything, hoping to uncover any detail that can make the current administration look bad. Where this is little, drama is added to make themselves feel better. It is silly. It is too bad that there is a whole crowd out there just wanting bad to happen, so they can be happy..

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Dec. 23, 2012 11:43 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil:
    "This is the goofiest logic ever."

    The goofiest logic is thinking Rice decided on her own what to say on five talk shows. She was instructed what to say. Obama had announced Al Qaeda was on its heels and terrorists were down and out after Osama's death. He had even remove the word 'terrorist' from the lexicon. He couldn't afford to have terrorism raise its ugly head near an election.

    "Alfred, what, do you think the mayor of Newtown is involved in some kind of cover up because they have been slow to release details and motive of why the attacks happened."

    Rice wasn't slow to release details. If the administration didn't have the facts it shouldn't have representatives making facts up on talk shows.

    "The problem is we have a crowd that spends their days trying to find, wishing for anything, hoping to uncover any detail that can make the current administration look bad."

    And what did the Democrats do to Mitt to make him look bad? Accursed him of causing the cancer death of a woman, firing people, shipping jobs over seas, hiding his money in the Caymans, etc.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 24, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    The biggest problem is and was Obama. Americans were dying and Obama is still lying,

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 24, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    "And what did the Democrats do to Mitt to make him look bad? Accursed him of causing the cancer death of a woman, firing people, shipping jobs over seas, hiding his money in the Caymans, etc."

    Alfred... you are letting the lowest of the Democratic Party set your moral tone? That is the bar you want to use. Should the Left use all the skin heads and white supremacist as their moral compass too. I surely hope not.

    And to your accusations about RIce, she was briefed by state department people, who had it wrong. The net loss of life caused by having the root cause of the attack wrong - O. No one extra died. If you really want to go down the path who which administration lied more than the other, and caused the greatest cause of death... I think that is not a battle you want to get into.

    @mohakat.... ummm.. yeah. Americans are dying. Would you like to compare the number of deaths in the first terms under Bush or Reagan... or perhaps Nixon to Obama. I am willing to have that debate with you. I would do your homework first though.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 24, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    @Utahdevil Those deaths you are refering to were they at Embassies or consuls? Did they have relief within a few hours and refused to send that relief. And please address the lying part. Nice try. Again I say in reference to Bengazi. Americans were dying and Obama is still lying!!!

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 24, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Utah blue devil,

    Obama is still lying and golfing.

    He for sure is living large in the White House and digging our country into greater debt.

    Nice job trying to defend his nonsense.

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Dec. 24, 2012 11:44 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil:
    "And to your accusations about Rice, she was briefed by state department people, who had it wrong."

    The president shouldn't be letting public announcements go out without his stamp of approval. After all, he is head of the government. Truman said it best: 'The buck stops here.'

    "The net loss of life caused by having the root cause of the attack wrong - O."

    It's not the deaths that are at issue. It's the lies perpetrated by the president and his people as to the cause of the attack. The obvious reason for the lies was to downplay that terrorists are still active despite Obama's insistence that they have been put back on their heels. He needed the image of a terrorist conqueror to improve his chance of winning a second term.

    "If you really want to go down the path who which administration lied more than the other, and caused the greatest cause of death... I think that is not a battle you want to get into."

    You're a bit confused, UtahBlueDevil, Lying didn't cause the deaths in Benghazi. The lies came after the deaths to obfuscate the real reason.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 26, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    So let me understand this....

    1) Generals from the bases in Italy said the fastest they could get troops prepped, briefed and to the scene was 12 hours - and yet you all cling that nothing was done.... a FACT proven wrong by the recently report. Have any of you even bothered to read it? You all I've in an imaginary world if you think the US could have deployed troops from Italy to the scene in a matter of hours = regardless of which administration was in control. WHy don't you ask Reagan administration officials what they were able to do about the attacks in Lebanon that killed over 500 marines. I know, will avoid inconvenient parts of history.

    2) Your upset that after the fact, misinformation or wrong information about what happened was initially released - this in the face that the previous administration lied in the UN, with prepared comments, that resulted in the deaths of over 4,800 Americans, 10,125 Iraqi military, and over 50,000 civilians... per US records. This is excusable.... but bad information about events that had 4 dead before we were able to get feet on the streets..

    4 versus over 65,000.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    UtahBlueDevil you are letting the lowest of the Democratic Party set your moral tone every time you blindly apologize for Obama; even when it is obvious to everyone else that Bengahzi was a massive failure and deplorable coverup and that the administration repeatedly lied through its teeth.

    The defense department watched it unfold on video drone

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence said: "UtahBlueDevil you are letting the lowest of the Democratic Party set your moral tone"

    So the truth is the lowest one can go?
    I think not, The lowest is the repeated lies being told by people who have bever served their country and entertain gullible others who have never served, with fantastic stories of conspiracy and super troops.

    To the right wing posters only you and your radio entertainers believe the nonsense you espouse or your sit on their hands congressional republicans would be all over it, still.