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Hamblin & Peterson: Advent refers to Christ's 2nd Coming

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  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 15, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    Well presented explanation of a religious historical tradition that seems to offer comfort and hope to believers. Why is it not a big thing with Mormons.

  • donn layton, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    RE: Advent isn't biblical — the first plain references to it appear late in the sixth century?
    The 2nd advent is the Christian hope, whether it be Pre-Millennial or at the Consumption(A-Millennial).

    1Thess 4:17,” Then we who are alive and remain shall be ‘caught up’( L. Raptured) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall ‘Always be with the Lord.’

    (1 Cor 16:22 NIV ) "Come, O Lord"; it is a prayer for the early return of Christ. The Aramaic words are divided differently (Maran-atha, "Our Lord has come"), it becomes a Creedal declaration and is supported by a Greek equivalent in Revelation 22:20 "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

  • Verdad Orem, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    Peterson pretty clearly wasn't saying that the idea of Christ's second coming isn't biblical. He was simply talking about "Advent" as a feature of the Christian liturgical calendar.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    "Well presented explanation of a religious historical tradition that seems to offer comfort and hope to believers. Why is it not a big thing with Mormons."
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    Mormons are more Protestant than they realize or wish even to consider. The fallout from the 16th Century Reformation included abandonment of much of the liturgical calendar that included Christian holidays, feasts, and the seasons of Advent and Lent. These were deemed Paganized corruptions of Christianity for which there were no Biblical antecedents. Followers of Luther held to some of the traditions but Puritans attempted to cleanse the Church of all things Roman, including Christmas which in the New World was not celebrated in New England. That was part of religious heritage of Joseph Smith's ancestors.

    This is the first time I've heard that Advent is the Latin equivalent of the Parousia.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 6:45 a.m.

    Advent indeed. Ancient myths about the "coming" of a savior predisposed several cultures to find fulfillment of those "prophecies" time and time again, in one charlatan after another, including Jesus of Nazareth as well as the following (not even a complete list):

    Simon of Peraea
    Athronges
    Menahem ben Judah
    Vespasian
    Simon bar Kokhba
    Moses of Crete
    Serene
    David Alroy
    Nissim ben Abraham
    Moses Botarel of Cisneros
    David Reubeni
    Sabbatai Zevi
    Jacob Joseph Frank
    Menachem Mendel Schneerson
    Simon Magus
    Dositheos the Samaritan
    Tanchelm of Antwerp
    Ann Lee
    John Nichols Thom
    Arnold Potter (Mormon, "Potter Christ")
    Jacobina Mentz Maurer
    William W. Davies (Mormon)
    Cyrus Reed Teed
    Father Divine (George Baker)
    Sun Myung Moon
    Charles Manson
    Yahweh ben Yahweh (Hulon Mitchell, Jr.)
    Iesu Matayoshi
    Jung Myung Seok
    Claude Vorilhon
    Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda
    Inri Cristo
    Apollo Quiboloy
    David Icke

    Utah's very own Brian David Mitchell, "the One Mighty and Strong", based on a reading of the biblical book of Isaiah by Avraham Gileadi.

    David Koresh (Vernon Wayne Howell)
    Maria Devi Christos
    Sergei Torop
    David Shayler

    ... the gullible will keep looking for the advent, and will continue being fooled.

  • redhat Fairfax Station, VA
    Dec. 20, 2012 2:46 p.m.

    Professors Peterson and Hamblin are doing a very good service to describe how other Christian faiths worship and /or prepare for the key events that are prescribed on their yearly liturgical calendar. As a non-Mormon who has very regular contact with members within my own family and within their wards, it is disconcerting how unconcerned most members are about how other traditions practice their faith. Is it because they believe those faith traditions are still in "deep apostasy" and it is important to simply "stay away". President Hinckley recognized much truth in other faiths-perhaps he was hinting that Mormons should be at least aware in how and why others worship as they do.

    The Advent article was well written, clear and correctly described important aspects of what Advent is about. One important aspect they did not mention is the that the days of Advent "waiting" are times for increased personal faith in Christ, more focused prayer, fasting and repentance as well as almsgiving. While the activities of Advent are not "necessary for salvation" as the article puts it, it seems to me those activities are a part of any Christian's salvation journey to the Father