Excellent letter and thoughts. Thank you.
Great letter. Parents have the most influence, and need to own that. When they
do, they teach their children to own their own behaviors, successes, and
failures as well. No claiming the successes, and blaming the teacher, the youth
minister, the neighbor, or society for the failures.
Nope, the government will take care of me from cradle to grave. I have no need
to try to excel in anything, no need to work hard, no need to achieve. Obama is
my hero, I shall not want! He maketh me to lie down in my government paid for
housing development, he feedeth me with food stamps. He giveth me free
healthcare and I shall not want. Obama is my support and my rod! Yea, though I
walk through the valley of the shadow of mean Republicans, I will not fear, for
in Obama I trust.
One of the biggest problems with any educational system is because of the scale
of the task, largely all kids are treated the same. Its how the system works.
We have two boys. The oldest - very laid back, and took his
education very much that way. Never put 100% forward. Played sports, did ok,
but wasn't motivated by competition.Second sone. Highly
competitive. When he gets lower grades than his peers in class, which
doesn't happen often, it makes him mad. In sports, he excels far beyond
his skills. Did my wife and I do much different between the two.
Not much, but yes, they are different kids. Why do I mention this.
The educational system is built around a one size fits all model. It is left
to the parents to try to get their kids to fit into how they are being taught.
If those parents don't value education, or don't have the skills to
help their kids cope in a system not setup for them, even the most loving
parents will fail.... as will their kids.Schools need to get
smaller, more intimate, and allow parents to get more interconnected.
I disagree with the letter writer.We didn't go wrong when we
started "handing out trophies" to everyone. Please.We went
wrong when parents valued the dollar more than raising our children. How many
parents here in Utah both work to support their SUVs and 4 wheelers while the TV
raises their kids? How many young people get married before really even dating
or knowing their spouse which results in broken families? How many times do
parents let their kids run rampant through churches, restaurants, and schools
without any consequence? How often do parents try and buy their kids'
affection through video games rather than being parents? Here in
Utah, we're notorious for not wanting to "hurt" their feeling and
rely (and then later blame) our childrens' shortcomings on the teachers?
When, in reality, parents are merely friends to their kids instead of
parents?The problem isn't with soccer trophies. The
problem is with parents being poor parents. You cannot and should not rely on
your bishop, elementary school teacher, or TV to raise your children. Sell that
SUV, live in a smaller home, actually date around, grow up, etc so you can raise
So Mountainman finally let us know his real thoughts.I kinda figured
anyone who has enough time to sit around all day and type comments here has to
be either retired or on the dole full time.At last. The truth is
@ One old man. Actually I do work. Its just that I am so excited that now I do
not have to be responsible for my own life and there is no need for me to work
anymore! Its always someone else fault from now on!
Maverick and Blue Devil -- thank you for some good comments filled with wisdom.
You are both spot on.
@Mountanman:"Nope, the government will take care of me from cradle to
grave."This is what you have to promise to get elected. Free
cell phones, food stamps, housing, college tuition, amnesty, healthcare, etc.
The Democrats have had this figured out for decades.Republicans
think you can run and be elected on concepts like self support, hard work,
patriotism, love of country. No. Amature mentality. Romney goofed.
@The Real Maverick:"I disagree with the letter writer. The problem is
with parents being poor parents."I think that's what the
letter writer is trying to say.
Congratulations, Mountain. But when you say, "Its always someone else fault
from now on!" that's what you've been pointing out all the time.
So what's new?The only problem is that your finger is usually
pointed in the wrong direction. If you'd turn the radio off and start
studying what's really happening out there, I'm sure you would find a
lot of blame on all sides and not just your blind side.In fact,
anyone who is capable to looking and thinking should understand that the fault
is very widespread. Fault is shared by everyone who has some power. Sometimes
they try to do what they think will be a good thing -- only to discover later
that it wasn't. Sometimes the are motivated by greed. Sometimes
circumstances get in the way.But people who fail to do their
homework to learn who is REALLY responsible are only adding to the problems we
all face. You might do yourself -- and the rest of us -- a big favor if
you'd make an effort to become fully informed and then post comments.
Oh Old Man,You lecture Mountanman on truth in posting? You are the
one that posted that Obamaphones, as they are referred to by their recipients,
are not paid for by the government or taxes, which is completely untrue. They
are paid for by the Federal Universal Serv Fund fees on land lines and cell
phones. It is a tax, that the federal government has saddled the phone companies
with collection of. You need to learn to check multiple sources to
get a full and accurate picture of the truth before you post. Your beloved
Politifact is biased and provides only half truths. Try reading more sources and
more variety of sources. Don't just trust one book either. Even Christians
read more than just the Bible.Government is so sneaky. You need to
be better informed so they don't fool you again.Now that you
know the truth are you ready to join the conservatives? We will welcome you. We
are completely inclusive. We won't check your race, age, or gender, I
promise. You just have to love the truth, love your fellow man, and love the
Mountainman, why don't spend you new found time then doing something
constructive rather than spewing anger and hate so much. I don't think I
have seen yet a positive comment, or a suggestion. Nope, it has always been
Obama's fault. Seems actually you have been blaming Obama the whole time -
which by its inverse means that you also hold the government responsible for
everything. Really, if you go outside, you'll find no one is
keeping you from being successful. The country is filled with examples of
people who have come from the lowest economic conditions, and succeeded. Many
of the last centuries most wildly successful companies have been founded by
non-college graduates. Dell, Microsoft, Oracle, Jet Blue...... Your future is your own. We are all dealt cards that we have to figure out
how to win with. Some choose to play their hand, other choose to complain, and
complain... and complain. No problem was ever fixed by hating and
complaining it to death.You got it all figured out.... mentor
someone who hasn't figure it out it. But blaming Obama for every aspect of
your life... does no one any good.
WRZ - the free phones thing has been going on since the 1920's. Obama
wasn't even born then.... Amnesty... last president to grant that was
Reagan.... free healthcare .... another Reagan deal when he mandated all had to
be served at the Emergency room door. Food Stamps - yes their use has grown...
and is worrisome. But demands on the churches Bishops warehouse is also
rising. And college tuition.... not everyone can get that. My son was
denied because of my income. So lets stop the silly little tales that we are
taken care of cradle to grave. Ask the family in my ward whose
father died of cancer, and is now loosing their house to medical cost driven
bankruptcy, even though they had insurance. If we were taken care of like you
describe, things like that would not happen.But lets not disrupt the
narrative in order to find real solutions to our educational challenges. This
would ruin the victim party we all seem to enjoy so much.
@ one old man. Please go to work, and work hard! We are going to need your taxes
to support us. So much to redistribute so little time! Me, I am tired of working
when there is no need to do it anymore! I am going to the unemployment office
and get signed up for a free check! I hear Obama and the Democrats are talking
about extending them, again! Can't wait for Obamacare to kick in! Whoop
To "UtahBlueDevil" actually you are wrong. The fees were originally
meant to connect phone lines to farms and communities that were distant from the
big cities. The customer still had to pay for their phone use. The phones were
You mean I get a free phone too? Wow! Now I am excited!
One has to believe that Mountanman is one lonely person with their attitude, and
obviously very bitter. However, I wish they were true to their word and quit
their job - they say they do work - and start living off the government to see
just how pleasant that is. I'm sure that's what people who need
government assistance are saying: Ah, I've dreamed of this my whole life,
being so poor that I need government assistance. By all means,
Mountanman, give it a try!
Mountanman says: Me, I am tired of working when there is no need to do it
anymore! I am going to the unemployment office and get signed up for a free
check.So, are you flat out lying here? If not, let us know how it
works for you. If you are lying, all your credibility is lost.
Yes, Mountanman, please do quit your job and have a great time on welfare.
I'd enjoy hearing a report from you after a year. You can tell us how
cushy it was living on the equivalent of less than minimum wage. Fun!
@Redshirt1701 - common... lets get off semantics. The program is funded by the
same funds. This is hardly an Obama program. And in fact moving to cell
phones has cut the cost to the fund dramatically. From Forbes
Magazine;" Eligibility and type of program may vary from state
to state – and this is why there is a flurry of confusion about the
program being a product of the Obama administration. In Florida, for example,
cell phone service was added to the existing program – in 2008, the year
that Obama was elected to office. The conclusion from many folks was that it was
a new federal program. It was not. It was an expansion of the existing program
and implemented on a state by state basis."Google it... it give
a good description of the Lifeline Program. But again, the narrative is that
this is an Obama program, and even Forbes, not a left leaning publican, rejects
that there is any free cell phone program started by Obama.As a
former Republican, I know there is plenty to argue with the administrations
about its policies, enough so that using these fabrication issues shouldn't
be necessary. Lies just discredit the messenger.
To "UtahBlueDevil" so what you are admitting is that the original
program has outlived it purpose. What was a means of getting phone service to
rural areas is now being abused by state and federal government programs to buy
cell phones for people.
I disagree with the assumptions that even start this line of thought. Of
course, competition is about losers and winners. Yet, education is not about
winners and losers--it's about individuals growing and learning kinowlege
and attain skills that help build them into mature human beings. Do you want to
tell the kid that struggles as he works hard to master reading and math skills
that he's a loser? Do you want to tell some kid that is smart and
everything in school comes easy for him because he was born smart that he's
a winner, without really having ot anything? This leads to high ability low
achieving depressed kids or unsure adults with low self-worth. Andy, why?
Because we as a society must have our winners and losers clearly defined?
It's not a shift. It belongs with the parents primarily. Everyone must do
their job and not shift the blame. When parents take on children, it entails
more than a B&B.
@UtahBlueDevil:"... the free phones thing has been going on since the
1920's."Are you saying we've had free cell phones
since the 20s? I don't remember cell phones being available to the public
since about ten years ago. But whaddo I know?"Obama wasn't
even born then..."Nor was I."Amnesty... last
president to grant that was Reagan"You've never heard of
Obama's 2-year stay from deportation program for illegals, with unlimited
hasn't really fully kicked in yet."college tuition"Student loans have all been taken over by the feds... who will offer
forgiveness for those who go to work for the government some day."Ask the family in my ward whose father died of cancer, and is now loosing
their house to medical cost driven bankruptcy..."I guess
Obamacare came just a little too late for them. Sorry."But lets
not disrupt the narrative in order to find real solutions to our educational
challenges. This would ruin the victim party we all seem to enjoy so
much."The real solution is for parents to take interest and get
involved in their kids' education.
Homer, We should be less inclined to label certain skills as winners
and others as losers. We need to appreciate the abilities of all kids. However,
part of self esteem comes from accomplishment. Not all, but part. That
can't be faked by false praise. Kids know the difference. We need to help
them find their strengths and develop them and truly appreciate them.Mountanman - Thanks for all the smiles you put on my face today!!!Where is old man? He seems to vanish when his false information is challenged.
This is pure FOX fiction. The only kids getting trophies for showing up a re 5
years old, and why not? Geeeez.The truth is that as soon as the kids
get a little older there is hyper-competivism that easily gets out of control. I
don't think people that repeat this FOXism actually have kids or have been
to a high school footbal game lately. It's life and death, scholarchip or
serving fries. It's taken much more seriously than when I played football
in Hight School.Oh but there's alwasys the war on Chirstmas as
We all know how to fix the situation. It's funny how we can have such a
poor educaational system when everyone knows how to fix it. Students see no
need to work hard and parents want the full resposibility put on the teachers.
They want teachers to educate their kids so they will be perfect little members
of society but they don't want to pay them to do it. Having spent my life
as a teacher I have grown very negative.
I liked the emphasis on the children themselves making an effort. Parents can
provide a secure emotional background and can persuade and encourage their
children to do their level best, but the schools are blaming the parents for the
individual performance of their charges.A student does best when he
does his best: sounds redundant but more people need to recognize that.
Students do best of all when they pay for there own education, which can't
happen until college days however. Meanwhile let teachers and parents talk
about what their education is costing and that they'll be paying for it,
belatedly, in taxes for their working lives and beyond - so make the best of it