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Charles Krauthammer: It's nothing more than an Obama power play

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  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Dec. 9, 2012 6:22 a.m.

    "and then demanded that Congress turn over to the president all power over the debt ceiling."

    Thank you Charles, for pointing out the unconscionable power grab by President Obama. Where would he get such an idea?

    Well, maybe he got it from a bill introduced by Mitch McConnell in 2011 doing just that.
    Mr Krauthammer conveniently left that part out.

    And then, Mr McConnell filibusters his own bill which would force a vote on it.

    This would be a great comedy skit, except that it is true. And that these are the leaders of our country.

    This proves once again that the best way to get Republicans to be against their own ideas is for Obama to take up the cause.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 7:02 a.m.

    Well said Dr. and the truth in every way. We are dealing with a would be dictator.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 9, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    Boehner and McConnell aren't playing politics and trying to grab power for the Republicans? Really?

    I still wonder why partisan drivel like this makes it into print. This is nothing more that political cheerleading. Charles would serve us all better if he used his powerful intellect presenting ideas, and supporting them, than this ongoing school yard bashing of the other side.

    With Mitch McConnell's now failed threat to make Obama a one term president a foot note in history, perhaps the loyal opposition can spend more time trying not engineer the failure of the president, and more on providing leadership that demonstrates they are the party that deserves Americas trust next election cycle.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 9, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    As many astute Americans have always known about Obama, it all about power and control with him. He is a controller and he wants as many people as possible to be dependent upon the state aristocracy. To be dependent on something or someone takes away that person's power and control over their own lives, it just another kind of slavery to the state aristocracy. This same kind of state aristocracy exists in Cuba, N. Korea, in the former USSR and E. Germany. That's why Obama never met a tax he doesn't love, it gives him control of the wealth in America. Control the wealth and you can control everything! That's why we have Obamacare, it give the state control of your health. This is the "fundamental change" Obama promised to bring to America and he is making great progress.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    Chuck continues to amaze me with his bad articles that couldn't be further from the truth. Dnews, you could do so much better. You're truly doing your readers a disservice by continuing to publish this guy.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Is Chuck living in Washington State now because (he is clearly on something)? His statement "If Obama remains intransigent, let him be the one to take us over the cliff. And then let the new House, which is sworn in weeks before the president, immediately introduce and pass a full across-the-board restoration of the Bush tax cuts" shows such a disconnect from reality that I'm reminded of election night when Mitt didn't bother to write a concession speech even though statisticians like Nate Silver (who predicted the electoral count accurately) had been saying for weeks that Obama would win.
    The fact is, or should I say the reality is, if we go over the cliff, Republicans in the house will be blamed. It is time for the DN to drop Charles Krauthammer because he, like other talking heads like George Will, have lost touch with the real world and are only serving as enablers for many Utahns to remain outside reality.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    Charlie is kind of a negative nellie.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    Power grab?

    The hypocrisy in this article is mind boggling.

    Let me get this straight...Republicans, contrary to the wishes of 70% of Americans, are threatening to tank the economy if their millionaire friends don't get a tax cut... and _they're_ talking about a "power grab?"

    Lets remember how we got here in the first place:

    Tax cuts, which reduced federal revenues by hundreds of billions of dollars each year, but which produced zero economic stimulation,

    Plus,

    Two unfunded foreign wars, the costs for which are thousands of dead Americans, tens of thousands of seriously wounded Americans AND about two trillion dollars.

    Will conservatives _ever_ admit that the deficits they like to thump their chests about today were created by policies they enthusiastically embraced ten years ago?

    Are our memories really that short?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 9, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    VST - so my opinion on this opinion piece... you felt compelled to comment on my comment? Do you not see the irony of that. I respectfully pass your own advice right back to you.

    You see, I see the DN, as owned and published by the LDS church, should rise above such poorly though out partisan "stuff". There are many conservative writers I quit enjoy. They most often try to make a coherent argument worth debate. I usually enjoy Bennett's contributions, and Alan Simpson is one of my favorites.

    You see, some actually like political debate - find it a great method of coming to reasonable solutions. But stuff like this "opinion" which elevates itself just barely above "i know you are, what I am".... I think the DN could do much better.

    But there you go VST, my opinion.... feel free to when ever you see my post to skip right on over them, as you so kindly advised. Or comment about it... that is what this is all about.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    UtahBlueDevil has hit the nail on the head: The DN, as owned and published by the LDS church, should rise above such poorly thought out partisan "stuff". I would have stopped reading the DN long ago but I am a member of the LDS Church and feel I have a badly-behaving relative who needs correcting. If the Church divests itself of the DN I will stop reading/commenting. But our Church is a worldwide church (and this is a worldwide website), so until the DN lays off the hard-right-wing partisan opinion pieces (frequently not based in reality) that I feel will only drive away reasonably intelligent investigators, I will comment.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    Can we get something straight here in this "national conversation"? If tax rates go up from current levels on any income bracket it's called a tax hike. If rates are allowed to remain at current levels it's not a "tax cut". It's simply allowing rates to stay at current levels. I don't understand how so many people are allowed to get away with saying that allowing rates to stay the same is a "tax cut". It's not.
    I don't personally care if tax rates go up on "the rich" since "the rich" voted overwhelmingly for Obama but let's call it what it is: mob rule. When individual rights to equal protection are sacrificed to the whims of the mob then it's called mob rule and it's what our Founders were most afraid of.
    But I say let rates go up on the rich. It won't help the economy and it may not necessarily increase revenue to the Federal Government (not that Obama really cares about that crucial point) but it will make a lot of unhappy people feel better about themselves

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    When Republicans announced they were going to wipe President Obama off the face of the earth, it was nothing more than a power play.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 9, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    The Republican House was elected to represent the people of the United State. The House originates all budget bills, unless Obama has already destroyed the Constitution. The President has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution. Why then is he demanding that the House pass his legislation? The President has no authority to legislate.

    Obama's true colors have come out. He is walking down the same road as every "would be" dictator has walked. He thinks that his tantrums have merit. All that he has proven is that he can lie on the floor and kick his legs in anger. We tolerate such behavior in a two-year old, but we expect just a little more maturity from the President of The United States.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    UtahBlueDevil hit the nail on the head when he/she said "the DN, as owned and published by the LDS church, should rise above such poorly though out partisan "stuff"." The Church owns the DN and as long as it does (and as long as I am a member) I will hold the DN to a higher standard than other newspapers.
    The distinct lean to the right (as VST admits above) and steady diet of opinion pieces from such reality-challenged authors like Charles Krauthammer and George Will does not, IMO, serve the interests of the worldwide church that owns it.
    I must add here that the continued censorship practiced by the DN moderators (which, in many cases, extends far beyond their stated policy and into refusing to publish comments they disagree with) also is of great concern to me.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    The GOP already has Faux News carrying its water, misinforming the weak-minded, and thereby influencing them to vote against their self-interests. It does not need the DN to do the same through its poor choice of editorial pieces.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil I am still laughing. You say there are quite a few conservative writers you enjoy.Then you mention Bennett and Simpson. That tells me how much of a leftie you are to call those two conservative.

  • The Taxman Los Angeles, CA
    Dec. 9, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    Mike,

    "Why then is he demanding that the House pass his legislation?"

    I haven't heard the President make such a demand. Please direct me to a (legitimate) source where I can read the quote.

    But since you raise the above question, I think it fair to ask why so many Republicans (and the talking heads who represent them) are demanding a plan from the White House? As you pointed out, if the Constitution is working properly, isn't it the job of the House of Representatives, working with the Senate, to craft legislation that will pass both bodies and be signed into law by the President? Why is Congress not doing its job, and who is Congress is holding up the show? Is the House even in session right now? If so, what are they doing that is more important than solving this (fiscal cliff) problem?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 9, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    @ VST. Its as predicable as the sun rising each day. Whenever Dr. Krauthammer writes his opinion, the liberals who can not refute his position, always attack him and call him names and demand that DN stop publishing his articles. If a conservative don't like want someone in the media says, they just don't read it or they change the channel or read something else. Not liberals, they DEMAND that opposing voice be silenced, shouted down or banned! If a liberal disagrees with a conservative, liberals call it free speech but if a conservative disagrees with a liberal, liberals call it "hate speech". Go figure!

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 9, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    "Is the House even in session right now? If so, what are they doing that is more important than solving this (fiscal cliff) problem?"

    What is more important?

    Apparently sowing fear and voting against the disabled is what's more important.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    @Mountainman - you also forgot the ultimate argument ender liberals use: calling you a racist. That ends every argument. You're a conservative and or a Republican therefore you are a racist and your opinion has no merit.
    So anyway, President Obama wants to raise tax rates on Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson and Kobe Bryant etc etc. How does that help anyone's life? Is that really somehow going to make my life or your life any better? We're still going to have a massive deficit and huge unfunded liabilities but we'll all feel better because those evil rich like Paul, Al, and Kobe will have lighter wallets.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 9, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    @mohokat - make that two of us laughing. You considering Alan Simpson a "leftie", well that says plenty.... either you have no idea who Alan Simpson is and his body of work, or you live on the very far extreme of "conservative". In either case, if you categorize me and Mr. Simpson as lefties, I welcome your derision with pride. I take that as a compliment and validation.

    Mr. Richards, you once again contradict yourself. In one post, the lack of a budget is Obama's fault, then here today, you claim Obama is acting extra-constitutionally by engaging in this budget process. You need to decide one way or another.

    Moutainman - if we could have as many words as Charles has, it would no challenge to refute his opinions with facts. Alas 200 words limit doesn't provide much opportunity for real data. For example, Charles debt to GDP ratio numbers are way off, the problem is actually way worse - and has been for over a decade. US debt to GDP has been above 60 for a long time, and toped 102 percent.... much worse than most european nations. His numbers are just wrong.

    But lets go back to calling people "lefties".

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 11:18 p.m.

    @JoeBlow:
    "Thank you Charles, for pointing out the unconscionable power grab by President Obama. Where would he get such an idea?"

    It's in his DNA.

    @1aggie:
    "Is Chuck living in Washington State now because (he is clearly on something)?"

    If he is, he is merely following the example of our president who tells us he was on something in college with his friends.

    "The fact is, or should I say the reality is, if we go over the cliff, Republicans in the house will be blamed."

    Republicans will get the blame because the media will see to it.

    The truth is, if you are looking for the truth, the House is supposed to decide what funds the president will get. It's called 'checks & balance.' If the president decides what the government should spend the checks and balances of the Constitution go out the window... becoming a figment of someone's imagination.

    "It's is time for the DN to drop Charles Krauthammer..."

    Typical Democrat response... if you disagree with someone just eliminate them. Put a gag in their mouths.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    @Blue:
    "Let me get this straight...Republicans, contrary to the wishes of 70% of Americans, are threatening to tank the economy if their millionaire friends don't get a tax cut..."

    Those 'millionaire friends' are the ones who create jobs. What Republicans are trying to do is to save the country from another recession.

    @There You Go Again:
    "When Republicans announced they were going to wipe President Obama off the face of the earth, it was nothing more than a power play."

    Not so. What it was, was a try to oust a socialist from controlling our government. Didn't work... which seems to say that Americans want socialism.

  • Mr. Bean Ogden, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 11:47 p.m.

    @The Taxman:
    "As you pointed out, if the Constitution is working properly, isn't it the job of the House of Representatives, working with the Senate, to craft legislation..."

    Excellent point, Taxman. All money/funding bills are to originate in the House. Boehner should get on with it, pass a bill and send it to the Senate. Then, if the Senate disagrees, work it out with them. The president should stay out of it. Oh, wait. The Senate is controlled by the president's party. Well, there goes our 'checks & balances' system.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    "Deseret News were to cave into your personal wishes, simply because you do not like those columnists, that would NOT be freedom of the press."

    No, what you describe would be freedom of the free market and Freedom of Speach. Showing displeasure in what a commercial entity does is not restriction of expression. Freedom of the press refers to government intervention, regulation, and control by governmental entities. Publically disagreeing in how a business runs itself is not Restraint of Press.

    The "Church", not only because of federal regulations about non-profits and politcal speach, but also because it represents a diversity of people who believe in the same tenants of faith, has been most vocal about non-partisanship. As an agent of the church, the Deseret News should follow the admonishions of its owner.

    I beleive the Church should stay away from and not affiliate itself with the dirty world of partisan politics - advocating for issues instead. Telling the DN so in no way constrains DeseretNew's abiltiy to publish whatsoever it likes.

    And yes, I think members of the Church have the right to speak out when they disagree with a position taken. That is called Freedom of Speach.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    We are letting these Lying politicians on both sides ruin America right before our eyes.

    Obama clearly doesn't care about Freedom and Capitalism.

    Republicans should not give an inch on his plan to destroy America and plunge us further into debt.

    Hold the line. Let Obama reveal who he really is to his blind democratic party.

    And those of you who are not blind are the real problem. You see clearly that you are destroying America. Please stop while there is still time.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    I have no doubt that if we go over the "Fiscal Cliff" that it will be the GOP's "fault". Why? Because they made unresonable demands? Because they were unwilling to work with the other side? No. Simply because with the help of their friends in the media, the Democrats will be able to pin the blame on them no matter what.

    As the last four years have proven, nothing bad can be attributed to failed Obama policies. The abysmal economy was all "Bush's fault". The high unemployment rate, the spiralling debt, and every other negative economic number can be pinned on the GOP. The buck never stops anymore at the oval office. Obama will still be blaming Bush in 2016.

    As the last election has proven. That is the new reality in America. We might as well get used to it. We already went over the cliff on November 6.

  • CPA Howard Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
    Dec. 10, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    The House should do its consitutional duty and pass a budget and sent it to the Senate. Let the Senate decide if they will send it to the President. No more negoitating with the president before hand. The president can't demand anything from congress Republican or Democrate. Let's either live by the consitution or start over again and let the people of this country decide what type of government they want and are willing to fund.

    Also how is a lawfully passed tax exemption in the tax code is a loophole? Deductions and Tax credits have 2 purposes, to encourage a behavior or discourage behavior. The term loophole is used by those who don't like what some one is doing. Congress passed the deductions that oil companies are legally using because when they were passed we wanted to encourage oil drilling. Currently companies that have their sustainable energy projects on line by the end of the year are able to take a tax credit in the current year for the investment. Isn't that a loophole for the alternative energy companies or is it acceptable because it's for green energy and not oil?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." So said James Madison, the father of the Constitution. Words have meaning. However, to most Democrats and Republicans, and many unfortunate Americans, the constitution is in the way for the progressive model of government, which is loss of liberty. We have now arrived at model of society that is more associated with Egyptian slavery, then American liberty. We can indeed ask our leaders what the great Russian writer Dostoeevsky asked, "You, the would be future savior of mankind, do you despise man or do you respect him?" I think it is quite obvious that our political leaders despise mankind. They view most Americans as helpless. Indeed, they are! If America is to survive, we must find like minded people who believe again, like Thomas Paine, that "...Americans have within our power to begin the world again."

  • Joe Moe Logan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    MikeRichards notes that the Constitution calls for the House to write budget items. It's also important to note that the reason for this is precisely because they are elected EVERY two years by local constituents, making them more responsive to the will of the individuals in their districts. After all, money policy is EVERYTHING in government. And recall, the people of the nation (again) put Republicans in that position this past election. They have not just A seat at the table, but THE seat at the table. But the Constitution also allows the President to veto, giving him a seat at the table also. That is part of the reason why it has become common for the president to propose a budget to the House.

  • Joe Moe Logan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    As for politics, of course the Pres. is playing politics, of course Boehner is playing politics, of course Krauthammer is playing politics. It's a political system and process. It's the DEFINITION of politics, for Pete's sake. What matters is that the people don't get screwed. Which is almost certainly going to happen, but we've asked for it so we'll just have to take our lumps and learn from it.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 6:13 a.m.

    @ Blue Devil I did not say that Simpson was a lefty. I meant that he is not a Conservative ( a moderate at best)and you thinking that he is must mean you are a lefty