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  • briggsy81 Saint George, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    Can somebody tell Tom Holmoe to stop embarrassing Cougar Nation?

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    Would somebody please tell the major college football "haves" that they are a complete joke?

    There's no logic or fairness in giving a bottom dweller in any conference a greater share of playoff revenue than programs that have been perennial Top 25 teams.

    The only people who should be embarrassed are fans who support this kind of greed.

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    What did I tell you?

    Going Indy was a bad, bad decision!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    It is what it is. You gotta play the big boys week in and week out to get the big boy money.

    byU "fans":

    You are hear by banned from using the term "perennial top 25" in referring to your football program. You are either a top 25 team or you're not. I know that my "perennials" come up every year. Has byU football been ranked in the top 25 every year? No.

    Glad we could clear this up.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Who cares? Doesn't BYU get $4 mill a year from having their own ESPN T.V. deal anyway?

    Correct me if I'm wrong . . . But I didn't think finances were an issue for BYU.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    The BCS isn't dead; it just had a name change. Its not too late to get in on the big money. Join the Big East as their 16th team.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    @utahcountyute

    "You are hear by banned from using the term "perennial top 25"

    What does that even mean? "hear by"? We can't "hear' it? Huh?

    As far as "perennial" is concerned, well according to Webster's one of the definitions of "perennial" is "recurring regularly". Well BYU certainly "regularly" is in the top 25. They finsihed in the top 25 for 5 of the last 8 years and were at one point ranked in the top 25 this year and 3 years ago even though they didn't finish there. That's pretty much the definition of "perrenial" or "recurring regularly".

    I'll tell you what we should ban. We should ban utah "fans" from claiming that playing teams like colorado, washington st or cal somehow adds "strength" to their schedule. Those teams are horrible. we should also ban all utah "fans" from somehow claiming the accomplishments of great schools like usc, ucla, and oregon somehow make utah good when in fact utah hasn't had a winning record in any sport at all in the pac12. Just being beaten up by great schools regularly doesn't make utah a great school.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 6, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    The $200k bowl payout shouldn't be an issue because all that really matter is more exposure.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    Ducky

    Thanks for the clarification.

    I know, and not having a conference and losing to San Jose State and the team you are bagging on is much better. lol

    "were at one point ranked in the top 25 this year and 3 years ago even though they didn't finish there"

    So does this year count or not? hmmmmm I guess it all gets figured into byU "fan" fuzzy math to determine said perennial top 25ness.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 6, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    Y-Ask-Y?

    "What did I tell you?

    Going Indy was a bad, bad decision!"

    Even if the ONLY thing you cared about was money, being an Independent is much, much better than staying in the MWC and the Big East may not be much better.

    Being an Independent gives BYU the opportunity to schedule Boise State, Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Utah, and Wisconsin ALL in the same year. That would never be possible in any conference.

    Being an Independent gives BYU the flexibility to re-broadcast BYU games whenever BYU chooses.

    Being an Independent guarantees that EVERY BYU home game will be nationally televised.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    @u90

    Good point, not to mention BYU is getting paid by whatever bowl they are going to be playing in anyway, unlike utah which is not playing in a bowl game this year and will probably not play in many in the future so they need to be subsidized by the teams that actually do play in bowls.

    If Holmoe can get a few more dollars out of the cartel then good for him, if not BYU runs in the black anyway so it is no big deal.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    Eighteen Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years IS being a PERENNIAL Top 25 team by anybody's definition except our jealous little friends on the hill.

    For our "mighty" little brothers from the PAC 12 who didn't even crack the AP poll until 1994, that's a tough pill to swallow, but that's just the way it is.

    As has been stated by other bloggers, BEING a ranked team is much more important than beating a ranked team, because it establishes national credibility for an ENTIRE season, not just a single game.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    "Eighteen Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years IS being a PERENNIAL Top 25 team"
    $200,000.00 per year

    "For our "mighty" little brothers from the PAC 12 who didn't even crack the AP poll until 1994, that's a tough pill to swallow"
    $3,300,000.00 per year

    Yes. A tough multi-million dollar pill to swallow.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Dec. 6, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    Being a perennial bottom-dweller with great facilities (which is this only thing your $millions will buy U), is nothing to beat your chest about.

    Those golden chips won't be so tasty when you're enjoying them from the comfort of your couch potato bowl.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    Since BYU never needs anyone else, maybe Duckhunter can get them to refund the U the amounts that BYU was paid for the two BCS bowl games that Utah played in while both were members of the MWC.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 6, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    "Since BYU never needs anyone else, maybe Duckhunter can get them to refund the U the amounts that BYU was paid for the two BCS bowl games that Utah played in while both were members of the MWC."

    Only after U refund all of the money U received from BYU's bowls and BYU fans helping to fill RES every other year from the mid-70's to the mid-90's.

    Of course, if that were to occur retroactively, the Utes probably wouldn't even have a football program because they certainly weren't making enough to survive on their own...

    so your point is moot.

    btw, by the time Utah's bcs bowl pie was divided up between all of the other non-AQ programs, it really wasn't that much.

    BYU takes in substantially more for one home game at LES than they ever got from Utah's meager bowl money.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 6, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    New Big East television deal estimated at around $60 million per year.

    $4 million for each full member football school
    $3 million for each football only member
    $1 million for each full-member non-football school

    MWC schools get about $1 million each

    BYU makes $6-7 million through it's exclusive contract with ESPN.

    You do the math.

    BYU would be foolish to give up Independence for anything less than a Big 12 invitation.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    @utahcountyute

    Yes this year counts, as does 3 years ago. If you are ranked in the top 25 then you are ranked in the top 25. I'm not sure how you can dispute that. So that means that in the last 8 years they have been ranked in the top 25 in 7 of them. Sounds pretty "perrenial" to me. Now we can laos accurately say that utah is NOT a perrneial top 25 team as they have only even entered the ranking less than half of the time.

    Funny but utah fans tell us all of the time about how winning a couple of bowl games garnered utah so much respect but it still doesn't help to get them ranked. BYU on the otherhand, with 40 years of succes, can usually get ranked just by starting tih a couple of wins. The voters expect BYU to be good and it doesn't take much for them to start voting BYU into the rankings. Just a poerk of being an actual legacy program, utah "fans" wouldn't understand that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    @54-10

    I'm sure BYU wouldn't miss that few hundred thousand dollars. You do realize that is all it was don't you? Both years combined didn't even get them a million, just a few hundred thousand. I mean thanks, I'm sure we're all grateful but it really didn't change any lives or for that matter make much of a difference at all.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 6, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I try to help you out by towing the BYU line of exposure and all you want to do is talk about Utah football and subsidies. Sure was nice of Utah to subsidize BYU with a little BCS cash in 2004 and 2008 since the Y has none of their own BCS $. Maybe one of the reason BYU football is in the black is because of all the Utah bowl money sent their way over the last 9 years.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 6, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    "BYU athletics director Tom Holmoe tells writer Dennis Dodd he will oppose the revenue sharing plan as it currently stands."

    No kidding...

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    @u90

    Well I don't think all of the bowl money "utah sent BYU's way" in recorded history equals even one year of BYU's athletic department profits. It was reported right here in the Dnews, and confirmed by BYU, that they run in the black to the tune of approximately 5 mil per year. I don't believe all of the bowl money utah sent BYU combined even equals 1 mil.

    Then of course we can more than offset it with the money BYU has sent utah from playing in more than twice as many bowl games. But hey, why let facts interfere with a great argument?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    U 90

    Nice try, but what's so "special" about "bcs money"?

    Money is money and the paltry amount BYU received from Utah's two bcs bowl appearances was much less than BYU receives in concessions from a couple of home football games.

    Bottom line: it was barely noticeable in BYU's bottom line.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Dec. 6, 2012 6:28 p.m.

    eastcoastcoug

    With no place at the bargaining table, it's not surprising that the bcs big wigs would try to low ball BYU. They probably figured if BYU didn't object they'd be good to go. They'll come to their senses as soon as BYU formally objects and the figure will be adjusted to something more reasonable.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 6, 2012 7:25 p.m.

    Forget about how much money BYU got because Utah played in a BCS bowl game. Consider this: Utah's opponent in both BCS Bowl games got substantially more money than Utah did. Just because they were in a "major" conference and Utah was not. Despite the fact that Utah won both games.

    You did know that, didn't you?

    Now, how is that fair?

    BCS is and always has been about keeping the money in the hands of a few programs. And, sorry Utah. You still aren't one of those programs, despite being invited to the Pac-12.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2012 7:29 p.m.

    According to CBSSports:

    "BYU and Army, the only independents left by 2015, project to have the worst payout and worst access to playoff bowls"

    "Army, BYU, along with Navy, will have the poorest access to the playoff bowls beginning in 2014...Beginning in 2014, the so-called Group of Five non-BCS schools (Big East, MAC, Conference USA, Sun Belt, Mountain West) will get an automatic spot for their highest-ranked champion. Army and BYU would be in the playoff rotation only if either finishes in the top four or is considered to fill an access bowl by the playoff committee".

    Swallow your pride Cougs and get into a conference!!!

  • 56chevy dana point , CA
    Dec. 6, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    At U90 and 54-10

    Maybe we can have Utah refund all the money sent there way all during the WAC years of bowl appearances by BYU when Utah failed to ever get there. Talk about subsidizing. Also, Utah's ESPN appearances thanks to BYU. Just how far back do you want to go in this "legacy"?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 8:13 p.m.

    @bleeder

    It really doesn't matter because anyone honest about it will admit BYU's chances of being in the top 4 any given year are a loooooong shot. But to be honest with you I don't think they are any more of a long shot than utah's. Based on the schedule's BYU is putting together they are pretty similar to what utah will be playing each year, neither team is good enough to be a top 4 team and I doubt either will be with anything that resembles regularity. For utah to get there they will pretty much have to be undefeated and do that beating USC, Stanford, Oregon and whatever other pac12 teams happen to be good that particular year. In otherwords it isn't going to happen. utah "fans" don't like to admit this but it is more likely that it will never happen for utah than that it will happen with any regularity.

    And it is about the same for BYU. They are going to have to go undefeated, against some good teams and it just doesn't happen very often.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2012 11:59 p.m.

    We should embrace the concept "that if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all".

    Not playing the rivalry game after next year will not change the posts from red and blue fans focusing on each others flaws. I am guilty of this sometimes and justify it with a 'defending my team' attitude. I think it's time I stop that. The attacks will still come.

    I believe I post positive things on BYU articles often. I also find fault with BYU, but I try keeping it real with my opinions being sincere and not inductively motivated on shooting down Cougars.

    I will root for the Utes and miss the rivalry game, but not miss what it has become, a hate fest.

    Parting shot before I test my resolve on distancing myself from the banter. HEAD TO HEAD MATTERS BYU FANS even more since the schedules are now different. Common opponents matter too; Utah beat Washington State by more than BYU, and lost to Oregon State by less than BYU. The exception (BYU's favor); Utah losing in overtime in Logan where BYU won 6-3 at home to USU (9th inning).

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2012 12:24 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    The playoff access isn't the concern for Utah and BYU. Because for the Utes and Cougs it's going to be tough to get a top 4 ranking by playing tough schedules every year.

    The concern is BYU's access to 1 of the 6 BCS bowl games. Utah is guaranteed the Rose Bowl if they win the Pac-12 or the Fiesta Bowl if the Rose Bowl is hosting a semi finals. BYU has no automatic access to 1 of the 6 BCS bowl games. If the Cougs go undefeated and are ranked high enough. It's up to the selection committee to decide if the Cougs are in or out. No guarantee!

    Utah has the automatic access, but they have their work cut out for them with their tough Pac-12 schedule.

    For BYU, they need to join a conference like the Big East or rejoin the MWC because if they win their conference and are the highest ranked of the "group of five" non-aq conferences. They're guaranteed the Fiesta Bowl and a lot of money!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 12:26 a.m.

    Duck phx & 56,

    Utah has earned more bowl money than BYU. The amount of bowl $ Utah has given to the Y far exceeds the amount they have received back from them.

    Add up the lifetime the bowl earnings of both schools, and I'm willing to bet that the amount Utah earned in just 2 bowls (04 & 08) is more than BYU has earned in all their bowls combined.

  • Warrior Parent Belle Glade, FL
    Dec. 7, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    Anybody who has seen the BYUTV complex, their trucks, their productions, their capabilities and then put together the partnership with ESPN...can ONLY conclude that Independence is great for BYU.

    The WCC is also a great match because the other schools like us, treat us with respect and also offer us good competition. the similar standards and values of WCC teams are a wonderful compliment to the conference, the schools and the administrations.

    Thanks BYU and the board of trustees for putting education, character and standards ahead of money in sports!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 7, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    @Bleed Crimson

    I agree with you to an extent but I don't agree that access to BCS bowls is that big of a deal. Once again the odds of BYU being eligible for any of them is not that great whether they are in a conference or not. The same goes for Utah to be honest with you.

    Then of course there is the issue of whether it is really all that big a deal to play in one of those games anyway. Utah fans like to claim it is because those are the only real accomplishments their program has ever had. BYU fans like to say it's no big deal in part because they haven't been to one.

    My honest opinion is that they are only marginally more appealing than any other bowl game. Yes they pay more,but as fan that doesn't matter to me. They carry more prestige but once again that is of limited value.

    The question for BYU is overall are they better off being in a conference and having an occasional long shot chance to be in a marginally better bowl, or being independent and enjoying those advantages.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter
    I don't agree that access to BCS bowls is that big of a deal.... My honest opinion is that they are only marginally more appealing than any other bowl game.... They carry more prestige but once again that is of limited value.

    Have you ever lived outside Highland, UT? I don't know one college football fan from the 7 states I've lived in that would agree with your statement (except maybe a few hundred people in Utah county).

    BCS bowls payout more cash which helps drive a program's growth (see Alabama, Ohio St, USC, Oregon etc.). But more importantly, teams with BCS tradition are more likely to get the benefit of the doubt in the polls. There are reasons why a two loss Florida team can still be in the NC conversation at the end of the year while an undefeated team with no BCS pedigree is not.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter
    The question for BYU is overall are they better off being in a conference and having an occasional long shot chance to be in a marginally better bowl, or being independent and enjoying those advantages.

    I don't think bowl prestige should be the driving force behind BYU's decision to stay Indy or join a conference. Given the upheaval in college football realignment right now, if I were Mr. Holmoe I'd be on my knees begging the BIG 12 to invite me and I'd give up on the TV rights demands. Bottom line is this, if it goes to four 16 team super-conference and BYU is on the outside looking in, it will cripple the football program to life support status. And I'm not a hater, I want to see BYU in the PAC12 or BIG12, I think it would be great for the state of Utah and make Saturdays a lot more fun if BYU was in a big conference. But you can't deny that lack of inclusion in a new super-conference format would kill the BYU program.

  • Barnbug1 SPANISH FORK, UT
    Dec. 7, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    BYU does not need BCS money. If their sole focus was football, nobody in the country could outspend them. Isn't it about playing good teams and being able to compete? I would much rather the guarantee of scheduling good teams during the season, than playing a weak schedule and HOPING for a good team in a bowl.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    @Barnbug1
    "BYU does not need BCS money. If their sole focus was football, nobody in the country could outspend them"

    Please enlighten us on where this money would come from?

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    Dec. 7, 2012 5:33 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    Having all of the money in the world won't buy U a decent football team.

    5-7 seasons with no bowls will get old after awhile and RES will become just like the HC, a vast sea of empty red chairs.

    Besides, you'll NEVER out recruit the Trojans so all of the talk about bcs access bowls and playoffs is nothing but a bunch of hot air.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 7, 2012 10:15 p.m.

    56chevy
    dana point , CA
    At U90 and 54-10

    Maybe we can have Utah refund all the money sent there way all during the WAC years of bowl appearances by BYU when Utah failed to ever get there. Talk about subsidizing. Also, Utah's ESPN appearances thanks to BYU. Just how far back do you want to go in this "legacy"?

    ________________

    Does BYU thank Utah for the losses on ESPN?
    BYU should refund money to ESPN for each sorry loss this season on their network.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 7, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    Warrior Parent
    Belle Glade, FL
    Anybody who has seen the BYUTV complex, their trucks, their productions, their capabilities and then put together the partnership with ESPN...can ONLY conclude that Independence is great for BYU.

    The WCC is also a great match because the other schools like us, treat us with respect and also offer us good competition. the similar standards and values of WCC teams are a wonderful compliment to the conference, the schools and the administrations.

    Thanks BYU and the board of trustees for putting education, character and standards ahead of money in sports!

    _____________________

    Oh come on! If it was not about the money then why did they leave the MWC and go carpet bagging after an ESPN contract? If a power conference wanted them offering more money, BYU would have taken it first.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 7, 2012 10:29 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    @utahcountyute

    I'll tell you what we should ban. We should ban utah "fans" from claiming that playing teams like colorado, washington st or cal somehow adds "strength" to their schedule. Those teams are horrible. we should also ban all utah "fans" from somehow claiming the accomplishments of great schools like usc, ucla, and oregon somehow make utah good when in fact utah hasn't had a winning record in any sport at all in the pac12. Just being beaten up by great schools regularly doesn't make utah a great school.

    _______________

    OK. BYU should be banned from playing ranked teams. Because you can't beat them. Utah State does not count, they were ranked at end of season.

    And you should be banned from using the 3-4 other names you go by here.

    BYU should be banned from riding the coattails of Notre Dame.

  • Barnbug1 SPANISH FORK, UT
    Dec. 8, 2012 6:50 a.m.

    @U90

    uhhhhhh..........the LDS church?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 8, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    @Barnbug1, uhhhhhh..........the LDS church?

    Oh, so what your saying is that BYU would get an infusion of tithing money? Can you please site your sources indicating that is even within the realm of possibility.

    All of your Blue Brethren on these boards are saying BYU football is completely self funded.... meaning they receive $0 from tithing. Site your source Barnbug1.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    Despite all the claims, BYU had its chance for a Big12 invitation and lost it. They will not be invited to any of the major BCS conferences. They are too difficult to work with. Big East? Are you kidding?

  • RSLJAZZBYUUTAH West Valley, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    What there not saying in this article though, is the fact you have to have someone from your conference in the BCS playoff for that money, BYU and Army could go 0-12 and still get that money.