Can somebody tell Tom Holmoe to stop embarrassing Cougar Nation?
Would somebody please tell the major college football "haves" that they
are a complete joke?There's no logic or fairness in giving a
bottom dweller in any conference a greater share of playoff revenue than
programs that have been perennial Top 25 teams.The only people who
should be embarrassed are fans who support this kind of greed.
What did I tell you?Going Indy was a bad, bad decision!
It is what it is. You gotta play the big boys week in and week out to get the
big boy money.byU "fans":You are hear by banned
from using the term "perennial top 25" in referring to your football
program. You are either a top 25 team or you're not. I know that my
"perennials" come up every year. Has byU football been ranked in the top
25 every year? No. Glad we could clear this up.
Who cares? Doesn't BYU get $4 mill a year from having their own ESPN T.V.
deal anyway?Correct me if I'm wrong . . . But I didn't
think finances were an issue for BYU.
The BCS isn't dead; it just had a name change. Its not too late to get in
on the big money. Join the Big East as their 16th team.
@utahcountyute"You are hear by banned from using the term
"perennial top 25"What does that even mean? "hear
by"? We can't "hear' it? Huh? As far as
"perennial" is concerned, well according to Webster's one of the
definitions of "perennial" is "recurring regularly". Well BYU
certainly "regularly" is in the top 25. They finsihed in the top 25 for
5 of the last 8 years and were at one point ranked in the top 25 this year and 3
years ago even though they didn't finish there. That's pretty much the
definition of "perrenial" or "recurring regularly". I'll tell you what we should ban. We should ban utah "fans" from
claiming that playing teams like colorado, washington st or cal somehow adds
"strength" to their schedule. Those teams are horrible. we should also
ban all utah "fans" from somehow claiming the accomplishments of great
schools like usc, ucla, and oregon somehow make utah good when in fact utah
hasn't had a winning record in any sport at all in the pac12. Just being
beaten up by great schools regularly doesn't make utah a great school.
The $200k bowl payout shouldn't be an issue because all that really matter
is more exposure.
DuckyThanks for the clarification. I know, and not
having a conference and losing to San Jose State and the team you are bagging on
is much better. lol"were at one point ranked in the top 25 this
year and 3 years ago even though they didn't finish there"So does this year count or not? hmmmmm I guess it all gets figured into byU
"fan" fuzzy math to determine said perennial top 25ness.
Y-Ask-Y?"What did I tell you?Going Indy was a bad,
bad decision!"Even if the ONLY thing you cared about was money,
being an Independent is much, much better than staying in the MWC and the Big
East may not be much better.Being an Independent gives BYU the
opportunity to schedule Boise State, Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Virginia,
Utah, and Wisconsin ALL in the same year. That would never be possible in any
conference.Being an Independent gives BYU the flexibility to
re-broadcast BYU games whenever BYU chooses.Being an Independent
guarantees that EVERY BYU home game will be nationally televised.
@u90Good point, not to mention BYU is getting paid by whatever bowl
they are going to be playing in anyway, unlike utah which is not playing in a
bowl game this year and will probably not play in many in the future so they
need to be subsidized by the teams that actually do play in bowls. If Holmoe can get a few more dollars out of the cartel then good for him, if
not BYU runs in the black anyway so it is no big deal.
utahcountyuteEighteen Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years IS being
a PERENNIAL Top 25 team by anybody's definition except our jealous little
friends on the hill.For our "mighty" little brothers from
the PAC 12 who didn't even crack the AP poll until 1994, that's a
tough pill to swallow, but that's just the way it is.As has
been stated by other bloggers, BEING a ranked team is much more important than
beating a ranked team, because it establishes national credibility for an ENTIRE
season, not just a single game.
"Eighteen Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years IS being a PERENNIAL Top 25
team"$200,000.00 per year"For our "mighty"
little brothers from the PAC 12 who didn't even crack the AP poll until
1994, that's a tough pill to swallow"$3,300,000.00 per yearYes. A tough multi-million dollar pill to swallow.
SoonerUteBeing a perennial bottom-dweller with great facilities
(which is this only thing your $millions will buy U), is nothing to beat your
chest about.Those golden chips won't be so tasty when
you're enjoying them from the comfort of your couch potato bowl.
Since BYU never needs anyone else, maybe Duckhunter can get them to refund the U
the amounts that BYU was paid for the two BCS bowl games that Utah played in
while both were members of the MWC.
"Since BYU never needs anyone else, maybe Duckhunter can get them to refund
the U the amounts that BYU was paid for the two BCS bowl games that Utah played
in while both were members of the MWC."Only after U refund all
of the money U received from BYU's bowls and BYU fans helping to fill RES
every other year from the mid-70's to the mid-90's.Of
course, if that were to occur retroactively, the Utes probably wouldn't
even have a football program because they certainly weren't making enough
to survive on their own...so your point is moot.btw, by
the time Utah's bcs bowl pie was divided up between all of the other non-AQ
programs, it really wasn't that much.BYU takes in substantially
more for one home game at LES than they ever got from Utah's meager bowl
New Big East television deal estimated at around $60 million per year.$4 million for each full member football school$3 million for each
football only member$1 million for each full-member non-football schoolMWC schools get about $1 million eachBYU makes $6-7 million
through it's exclusive contract with ESPN.You do the math.BYU would be foolish to give up Independence for anything less than a
Big 12 invitation.
@utahcountyuteYes this year counts, as does 3 years ago. If you are
ranked in the top 25 then you are ranked in the top 25. I'm not sure how
you can dispute that. So that means that in the last 8 years they have been
ranked in the top 25 in 7 of them. Sounds pretty "perrenial" to me. Now
we can laos accurately say that utah is NOT a perrneial top 25 team as they have
only even entered the ranking less than half of the time. Funny but
utah fans tell us all of the time about how winning a couple of bowl games
garnered utah so much respect but it still doesn't help to get them ranked.
BYU on the otherhand, with 40 years of succes, can usually get ranked just by
starting tih a couple of wins. The voters expect BYU to be good and it
doesn't take much for them to start voting BYU into the rankings. Just a
poerk of being an actual legacy program, utah "fans" wouldn't
@54-10I'm sure BYU wouldn't miss that few hundred thousand
dollars. You do realize that is all it was don't you? Both years combined
didn't even get them a million, just a few hundred thousand. I mean thanks,
I'm sure we're all grateful but it really didn't change any lives
or for that matter make much of a difference at all.
Duckhunter,I try to help you out by towing the BYU line of exposure
and all you want to do is talk about Utah football and subsidies. Sure was nice
of Utah to subsidize BYU with a little BCS cash in 2004 and 2008 since the Y has
none of their own BCS $. Maybe one of the reason BYU football is in the black
is because of all the Utah bowl money sent their way over the last 9 years.
"BYU athletics director Tom Holmoe tells writer Dennis Dodd he will oppose
the revenue sharing plan as it currently stands."No kidding...
@u90Well I don't think all of the bowl money "utah sent
BYU's way" in recorded history equals even one year of BYU's
athletic department profits. It was reported right here in the Dnews, and
confirmed by BYU, that they run in the black to the tune of approximately 5 mil
per year. I don't believe all of the bowl money utah sent BYU combined even
equals 1 mil. Then of course we can more than offset it with the
money BYU has sent utah from playing in more than twice as many bowl games. But
hey, why let facts interfere with a great argument?
U 90Nice try, but what's so "special" about "bcs
money"?Money is money and the paltry amount BYU received from
Utah's two bcs bowl appearances was much less than BYU receives in
concessions from a couple of home football games.Bottom line: it was
barely noticeable in BYU's bottom line.
eastcoastcougWith no place at the bargaining table, it's not
surprising that the bcs big wigs would try to low ball BYU. They probably
figured if BYU didn't object they'd be good to go. They'll come
to their senses as soon as BYU formally objects and the figure will be adjusted
to something more reasonable.
Forget about how much money BYU got because Utah played in a BCS bowl game.
Consider this: Utah's opponent in both BCS Bowl games got substantially
more money than Utah did. Just because they were in a "major"
conference and Utah was not. Despite the fact that Utah won both games.You did know that, didn't you?Now, how is that fair?BCS is and always has been about keeping the money in the hands of a few
programs. And, sorry Utah. You still aren't one of those programs,
despite being invited to the Pac-12.
According to CBSSports: "BYU and Army, the only independents
left by 2015, project to have the worst payout and worst access to playoff
bowls""Army, BYU, along with Navy, will have the poorest
access to the playoff bowls beginning in 2014...Beginning in 2014, the so-called
Group of Five non-BCS schools (Big East, MAC, Conference USA, Sun Belt, Mountain
West) will get an automatic spot for their highest-ranked champion. Army and BYU
would be in the playoff rotation only if either finishes in the top four or is
considered to fill an access bowl by the playoff committee".Swallow your pride Cougs and get into a conference!!!
At U90 and 54-10Maybe we can have Utah refund all the money sent
there way all during the WAC years of bowl appearances by BYU when Utah failed
to ever get there. Talk about subsidizing. Also, Utah's ESPN appearances
thanks to BYU. Just how far back do you want to go in this "legacy"?
@bleederIt really doesn't matter because anyone honest about it
will admit BYU's chances of being in the top 4 any given year are a
loooooong shot. But to be honest with you I don't think they are any more
of a long shot than utah's. Based on the schedule's BYU is putting
together they are pretty similar to what utah will be playing each year, neither
team is good enough to be a top 4 team and I doubt either will be with anything
that resembles regularity. For utah to get there they will pretty much have to
be undefeated and do that beating USC, Stanford, Oregon and whatever other pac12
teams happen to be good that particular year. In otherwords it isn't going
to happen. utah "fans" don't like to admit this but it is more
likely that it will never happen for utah than that it will happen with any
regularity.And it is about the same for BYU. They are going to have
to go undefeated, against some good teams and it just doesn't happen very
We should embrace the concept "that if you don't have anything nice to
say, then don't say anything at all".Not playing the
rivalry game after next year will not change the posts from red and blue fans
focusing on each others flaws. I am guilty of this sometimes and justify it with
a 'defending my team' attitude. I think it's time I stop that.
The attacks will still come. I believe I post positive things on BYU
articles often. I also find fault with BYU, but I try keeping it real with my
opinions being sincere and not inductively motivated on shooting down
Cougars.I will root for the Utes and miss the rivalry game, but not
miss what it has become, a hate fest. Parting shot before I test my
resolve on distancing myself from the banter. HEAD TO HEAD MATTERS BYU FANS even
more since the schedules are now different. Common opponents matter too; Utah
beat Washington State by more than BYU, and lost to Oregon State by less than
BYU. The exception (BYU's favor); Utah losing in overtime in Logan where
BYU won 6-3 at home to USU (9th inning).
@ DuckhunterThe playoff access isn't the concern for Utah and
BYU. Because for the Utes and Cougs it's going to be tough to get a top 4
ranking by playing tough schedules every year. The concern is
BYU's access to 1 of the 6 BCS bowl games. Utah is guaranteed the Rose
Bowl if they win the Pac-12 or the Fiesta Bowl if the Rose Bowl is hosting a
semi finals. BYU has no automatic access to 1 of the 6 BCS bowl games. If the
Cougs go undefeated and are ranked high enough. It's up to the selection
committee to decide if the Cougs are in or out. No guarantee! Utah
has the automatic access, but they have their work cut out for them with their
tough Pac-12 schedule. For BYU, they need to join a conference like
the Big East or rejoin the MWC because if they win their conference and are the
highest ranked of the "group of five" non-aq conferences. They're
guaranteed the Fiesta Bowl and a lot of money!
Duck phx & 56,Utah has earned more bowl money than BYU. The
amount of bowl $ Utah has given to the Y far exceeds the amount they have
received back from them. Add up the lifetime the bowl earnings of
both schools, and I'm willing to bet that the amount Utah earned in just 2
bowls (04 & 08) is more than BYU has earned in all their bowls combined.
Anybody who has seen the BYUTV complex, their trucks, their productions, their
capabilities and then put together the partnership with ESPN...can ONLY conclude
that Independence is great for BYU.The WCC is also a great match
because the other schools like us, treat us with respect and also offer us good
competition. the similar standards and values of WCC teams are a wonderful
compliment to the conference, the schools and the administrations.Thanks BYU and the board of trustees for putting education, character and
standards ahead of money in sports!
@Bleed CrimsonI agree with you to an extent but I don't agree
that access to BCS bowls is that big of a deal. Once again the odds of BYU being
eligible for any of them is not that great whether they are in a conference or
not. The same goes for Utah to be honest with you.Then of course
there is the issue of whether it is really all that big a deal to play in one of
those games anyway. Utah fans like to claim it is because those are the only
real accomplishments their program has ever had. BYU fans like to say it's
no big deal in part because they haven't been to one.My honest
opinion is that they are only marginally more appealing than any other bowl
game. Yes they pay more,but as fan that doesn't matter to me. They carry
more prestige but once again that is of limited value. The question
for BYU is overall are they better off being in a conference and having an
occasional long shot chance to be in a marginally better bowl, or being
independent and enjoying those advantages.
@ DuckhunterI don't agree that access to BCS bowls is that big of a
deal.... My honest opinion is that they are only marginally more appealing than
any other bowl game.... They carry more prestige but once again that is of
limited value.Have you ever lived outside Highland, UT? I
don't know one college football fan from the 7 states I've lived in
that would agree with your statement (except maybe a few hundred people in Utah
county).BCS bowls payout more cash which helps drive a
program's growth (see Alabama, Ohio St, USC, Oregon etc.). But more
importantly, teams with BCS tradition are more likely to get the benefit of the
doubt in the polls. There are reasons why a two loss Florida team can still be
in the NC conversation at the end of the year while an undefeated team with no
BCS pedigree is not.
@ DuckhunterThe question for BYU is overall are they better off being in a
conference and having an occasional long shot chance to be in a marginally
better bowl, or being independent and enjoying those advantages.I
don't think bowl prestige should be the driving force behind BYU's
decision to stay Indy or join a conference. Given the upheaval in college
football realignment right now, if I were Mr. Holmoe I'd be on my knees
begging the BIG 12 to invite me and I'd give up on the TV rights demands.
Bottom line is this, if it goes to four 16 team super-conference and BYU is on
the outside looking in, it will cripple the football program to life support
status. And I'm not a hater, I want to see BYU in the PAC12 or BIG12, I
think it would be great for the state of Utah and make Saturdays a lot more fun
if BYU was in a big conference. But you can't deny that lack of inclusion
in a new super-conference format would kill the BYU program.
BYU does not need BCS money. If their sole focus was football, nobody in the
country could outspend them. Isn't it about playing good teams and being
able to compete? I would much rather the guarantee of scheduling good teams
during the season, than playing a weak schedule and HOPING for a good team in a
@Barnbug1"BYU does not need BCS money. If their sole focus was
football, nobody in the country could outspend them"Please
enlighten us on where this money would come from?
Bleed CrimsonHaving all of the money in the world won't buy U a
decent football team.5-7 seasons with no bowls will get old after
awhile and RES will become just like the HC, a vast sea of empty red chairs.Besides, you'll NEVER out recruit the Trojans so all of the talk
about bcs access bowls and playoffs is nothing but a bunch of hot air.
56chevydana point , CAAt U90 and 54-10Maybe we can have
Utah refund all the money sent there way all during the WAC years of bowl
appearances by BYU when Utah failed to ever get there. Talk about subsidizing.
Also, Utah's ESPN appearances thanks to BYU. Just how far back do you want
to go in this "legacy"?________________Does BYU
thank Utah for the losses on ESPN?BYU should refund money to ESPN for each
sorry loss this season on their network.
Warrior ParentBelle Glade, FLAnybody who has seen the BYUTV complex,
their trucks, their productions, their capabilities and then put together the
partnership with ESPN...can ONLY conclude that Independence is great for BYU.The WCC is also a great match because the other schools like us, treat
us with respect and also offer us good competition. the similar standards and
values of WCC teams are a wonderful compliment to the conference, the schools
and the administrations.Thanks BYU and the board of trustees for
putting education, character and standards ahead of money in sports!_____________________Oh come on! If it was not about the money
then why did they leave the MWC and go carpet bagging after an ESPN contract? If
a power conference wanted them offering more money, BYU would have taken it
DuckhunterHighland, UT@utahcountyuteI'll tell you
what we should ban. We should ban utah "fans" from claiming that playing
teams like colorado, washington st or cal somehow adds "strength" to
their schedule. Those teams are horrible. we should also ban all utah
"fans" from somehow claiming the accomplishments of great schools like
usc, ucla, and oregon somehow make utah good when in fact utah hasn't had a
winning record in any sport at all in the pac12. Just being beaten up by great
schools regularly doesn't make utah a great school._______________OK. BYU should be banned from playing ranked teams.
Because you can't beat them. Utah State does not count, they were ranked at
end of season.And you should be banned from using the 3-4 other
names you go by here.BYU should be banned from riding the coattails
of Notre Dame.
@U90uhhhhhh..........the LDS church?
@Barnbug1, uhhhhhh..........the LDS church?Oh, so what your saying
is that BYU would get an infusion of tithing money? Can you please site your
sources indicating that is even within the realm of possibility.All
of your Blue Brethren on these boards are saying BYU football is completely self
funded.... meaning they receive $0 from tithing. Site your source Barnbug1.
Despite all the claims, BYU had its chance for a Big12 invitation and lost it.
They will not be invited to any of the major BCS conferences. They are too
difficult to work with. Big East? Are you kidding?
What there not saying in this article though, is the fact you have to have
someone from your conference in the BCS playoff for that money, BYU and Army
could go 0-12 and still get that money.