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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 7:03 p.m.

    I wonder what Taysom Hill thinks as he watches his former Stanford teammates rise to nearly the top of the nation, win the prestigious Pac 12, go to the Rose Bowl, and enjoy unbelievable success while getting a top notch eduction.

    Meanwhile, his team finishes 3rd in the fourth in the WAC behind USU, Lousiana Tech, and San Jose State.

    He won't admit it.....

    but OUCH!

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 7:41 p.m.

    I still wonder what Holmoe means by saying there will changes next year. BYU in the Big East? Max Hall as head coach? Jake Heaps returning to play QB after everyone involved eats a big crow pie?

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    Dec. 2, 2012 8:30 p.m.

    This season's results weren't much different than 2010 when Bronco asked the coaches on offense to tender their resignations en masse. What's he going to do this year?

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    If Bronco wants to know what is wrong with the team, he need only look in the mirror.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 8:57 p.m.

    The reason Whittingham said "no" to BYU was because without Gary Andersen there, he would have been exposed faster than he has been at the U. What has he done since Andersen left? Nothing. We are seeing the rapid descent of U athletics in to insignificance. Enjoy the ride.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 2, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    I wonder what Chris B thought as she watched her beloved Utes eke out a losing season and get beaten by most of the PAC 12. Ouch!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 2, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    Why not get Ty Detmer to coach the offense? He had 14 years in the NFL and has been coaching at HS level. He's arguably the best quarterback we've ever had.

    Once Bronco gets a decent OC, we will be in good shape with the defensive schemes we play. On D, our biggest challenge will always be speed in the secondary. I'm not crazy about Bronco as the head coach but am realistic and think he's the best we can get. Reid will never come to Provo - not in a million years.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    I would love to see Ty Detmer as OC for the Y. Come on!

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:05 p.m.

    I think we should get Andy Reid as head coach and Steve young as OC with the promise that he takes over when andy moves back to the nfl. Young has the organizational skills without broncos mumboMBA speech . If bronco wants to stay, he's a great DC.

  • Dukester VANCOUVER, WA
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    I have a great idea. How about getting Ty Corbin and Bronco to assist each other in developing a winning team? Two heads of similiar value might just do the job...Well, maybe not.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:27 p.m.

    Worfs law of sports:

    For every victory, is an equal and opposite defeat.

    I enjoyed this year. Since when is seven wins a terrible thing? I'll be happy with that number next year, and happier if there's more wins.

    As for Chris B. Stanford is happy she's not a fan of theirs. Would have been a jinx like to the utes.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    Leading in the fourth quarter, then losing by three to the number one team in the country. I'll take that.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:53 p.m.

    BYU disappointed? If you read what their fans are saying, they won another National Championship again beating up on no name universities again all while losing to Utah.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 11:24 p.m.

    As I reflect upon this sad and disappointing season I'm thinking...

    Well utesies, here's a lump of coal for you, Happy Holidays!!!

    BYU's 'bowling' and so sorry... you're not!

    I get to watch the Cougars play one more football game this year. Yeehaw and basketball is here too!

    And how about the women's volleyball in the Sweet 16!

    Go Cougars!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 2, 2012 11:29 p.m.

    Kind of like watching the Angels this year with the best young player in baseball (Trout) and the best old player (Pujols) simply not being able to put it all together. This was a crazy year. Nobody understands the Nelson affair. Would Lark have been better? We'll never know.

    But I think Bronco will be better. He's a young coach, after all, and I like the new kids.

    I'm looking forward to next year. Best schedule BYU has ever had. Same with the Angels. They're both too talented to have a crazy year like 2012 was. Bronco will figure it out.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 3, 2012 12:25 a.m.

    Bronco has seemed to make it clear that he does not want to coach at BYU for the long haul. His contract is up next year. Maybe Holmoe knows more about Bronco's plan than is generally known and is just getting prepared.

    BYU does need another strong offensive mind involved in the program. Bronco, turned the defense around using basically the same x's and o's according to him. BYU needs and offensive coach to do the same thing. I dont know if Doman could handle the apparent lack of confidense vote or not. I believe Bronco wants him to take over as head coach. However, he wont be able to do that unless he proves that he can handle the offensive side very well first.

    BYU sports- this is about as good as they will be anyway. Get used to it.

    Utah better hope that the same wont be said of them.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Dec. 3, 2012 1:20 a.m.

    blah blah blah blah blah blah that is all that is written from the arm chair quarterbacks and talking heads. might as well watch the movie holy grail; its not any different than this season. never heard so many excuses from the players. Yes the players are fighters but you have to win or be fired. same as the real world of work. maybe set some realistic goals instead of a national championship that is unachievable with all the silly mistakes made on the field.

  • Footballjoe South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 5:08 a.m.

    Isn't it interesting........no one ever beats BYU! No opposing team ever has a great defense, a great passing game, a great runner, a spectacular play. The only reason BYU didn't win is because BYU didn't have (you name it)a better quarterback, made a missed block, caught the pass that was dropped, etc) Year in and year out BYU "should" have won every game.

    While we're thinking about what Riley could have done or how a botched play here and there would have won the game we also need to think about what might have happened if the opposing team would have been able to play an injured player, made a botched play, made a pass that was dropped, etc.

    Games are what they are. That's the reason they are played. Someone wins, someone loses.

    It gets tiring to always hear about why the "best" team lost, why BYU should have won a particular game,or in fact every game! I submit that over time, the best team really does win the game. That's why the game is played.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 5:45 a.m.

    I wish my Utes could have been "embarrassed" with as good of a season as BYU had. What's that saying? "There's always next year!"

  • Pa. Reader Harrisburg, PA
    Dec. 3, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    Andy Reid as OC next season to straighten out the offense. (Doman can stay on as quarterbacks coach if he'll agree to the
    move.) Then Reid assumes the head coaching job the fillowing year as Bronco's contract expires and he accepts a call to serve as a mission president.

    Well, we can dream...

  • trentster TUSTIN, CA
    Dec. 3, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    Andy Reid will not come to BYU. He is a pro coach and he has unfinished business at that level. If he gets fired this season at Philly he will have numerous suitors knocking at his agent's door within minutes, and he will continue on in the NFL pursuing a championship, not coming to the Y. So coug fans, let us drop the Reid fantasy and move on to more realistic names. Are there any? Not too many who qualify; re: temple rec, good standing in the Church, with the capacity to be a successful D1 head coach.

  • dbrbmw Orem, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    Reid would come to BYU. FACT!

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    I don't think there is much of anything that can be done to fix the situation. Essentially, Riley Nelson proved to be the third best quarterback behind Lark and Hill. Mendenhall made that call throughout the season to start him and it proved to be a disaster. It was Mendenhall that let go an entire coaching staff in favor of a group of rookie coaches that had no experience. In spite of all of this, no one is willing to blame Bronco for his coaching decisions and he has the full support of the Athletic Department. This problem becomes deeper than coaching errors. It's a problem with the entire athletic culture at BYU.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Every time I see a comment about the Utes' PAC record, I can only think that person is afraid of real competition.
    eastcoastcoug would rather beat horrible teams and rarely send players to the NFL instead of competing against the best.
    Kind of sad, really.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    What Bronco proved this year is he is an excellent Defensive Coach, a good Head Coach, but a lousy Offensive Coach who totally botched the quarterback decision. It's difficult to know how much say Doman had in the final decision to play an injured Riley against Utah, Boise State and San Jose State, but it's evident that Bronco was heavily involved in making that decision and he totally blew it, choosing to reward the grit and determination of an injured eratic-throwing Riley over the hard work and loyalty of a healthy, accurate-throwing Lark.

    If Riley isn't completely healthy and Lark doesn't start against San Diego State, its further evidence that Bronco cares more about Riley than he does his team or fans.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    eastcoastcoug
    Danbury, CT
    I wonder what Chris B thought as she watched her beloved Utes eke out a losing season and get beaten by most of the PAC 12. Ouch!

    _______________

    I wonder what BYU fans think about now being 6-10 all time against San Jose St.
    I wonder what BYU fans think about being 3-8-1 all time against Colorado.
    I wonder what BYU fans think about the 40+ years of no real official conference invitation.

    Ouch!

  • VA-Cougar ROUND HILL, VA
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    FootballJoe: Isn't it interesting........no one ever beats BYU! No opposing team ever has a great defense, a great passing game, a great runner, a spectacular play. The only reason BYU didn't win is because BYU didn't have (you name it)a better quarterback, made a missed block, caught the pass that was dropped, etc) Year in and year out BYU "should" have won every game.

    YES! This is correct,now you're starting to catch the vision of BYU-fandom :)

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    Bronco needs to make up his mind. Does he want to be head coach, or does he want to coach the defense. BYU was at its best when the head coach managed the whole team, and the assistants die their jobs and were good at it. Bronco needs to find a good defensive coordinator and stay out of his way. Otherwise he needs to stay defensive coordinator and give up the head coaching job. I'm sure Lance Reynolds would do fine.

    Get rid of Doman.

    Maybe Holmoe is going to make himself head coach.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    "I wonder what BYU fans think about now being 6-10 all time against San Jose St."

    We're laughing at our desperate little brothers who are simply grasping at straws.

    San Jose State had a Top 25 team this season, but even so, BYU would have beaten the Spartans if BYU's coaches had played Lark instead of an injured Riley. Most of San Jose State's win in the series came back in the 40's and 50's. BYU has won 6 of the last 8 and this was San Jose State's first win since the 60's.

    --------

    "I wonder what BYU fans think about being 3-8-1 all time against Colorado."

    Once again, laughing at how desperate are little brothers have become to be grasping at such weak straws.

    BYU has won 3 of the last 4 against Colorado, including a bowl game and a game at Colorado, and hasn't lost to the Buffs since the 50's.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    "I wonder what BYU fans think about the 40+ years of no real official conference invitation."

    Laughing at how delusional our little brothers are about conference affliations. While BYU didn't worry about conference affiliation in building a national reputation, winning a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, and numerous national individual awards, Utah fans continue to delude themselves into believing that being a bottom dweller in a so-called "power" conference somehow makes the Utes special.

    Bottom line: Being a member of a particular conference doesn't mean squat; the only thing that really matters is what you accomplish on the field.

  • John Galt Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
    Beverly Hills, CA
    "BYU disappointed? If you read what their fans are saying, they won another National Championship again"

    Just out of curiosity, where are they saying that? Is this something else you've made up? Seriously--are you Chris B's niece?

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Beginning with the Utah came everyone knew and Bronco should have known, that an injured Riley Nelson should not be the starting quarterback. Evaluating the season begins and ends with evaluating Bronco.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Next year should be interesting. The Cougars will try to take on a tougher schedule (and its not that tough) with a rookie quarterback who is coming back from an injury. You think the infighting and calls for coaching changes is rough now? Just wait.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    Bronco is a good defense coach and I think a decent good head coach as long as he has the right offensive coordinator which he doesn't right now. Contrast BYU football when Robert Anae was the offensive coordinator compared to today. No comparison. Doman and many of the other assistants are too inexperienced plus Doman just isn't a good offensive coordinator period! Bronco needs a new offensive coordinator to start and then go from there. Better still - I would like to see Bronco move on and BYU bring in a whole new coaching staff. I think Holmoe understands what he is looking for as far as a coaching staff and the style of offense needed. I think Lavell would certainly help in the selection process as well.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Dec. 3, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    Schools with consistently great teams require great coaches. BYU has been without a great coach since 2001. Bronco has consistently failed (i.e. 3 losses in a row to Utes and 5 losses to Utes as HC). Time for new HC and OC!!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    "SoonerUte

    Next year should be interesting. The Cougars will try to take on a tougher schedule (and its not that tough)"

    Gee, dude, desperate and uninformed much?

    This year's BYU schedule had 5 top 25 teams on it, including #s 1, 13, 19, 22 and 24. How many did the Utes' play? #s 13, 17, 22. BYU beat #22, Utes lost.

    BYU's 2013 schedule includes #1 Notre Dame, #19 Boise, # 22 Utah State, #23 Texas, and Rose Bowl bound (you wish) Big 10 Champion Wisconsin.

    THAT is why BYU fans are frustrated. They had the schedule and the talent to make a big splash and came tantalizingly close, but their offensive decisions were stupid, including Bronco going for 2 at Boise. The same Bronco, I might add, who blamed Anae for running down the clock against your Utes 2 years ago. Bronco -- it is someone else's fault when it is a bad decision, he'll evaluate "after the season" when it is his.

    I must admit, Utah's schedule is tougher next year than this. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Utes do against Oregon and Stanford.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Dec. 3, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    I agree with Pa. Reader from Harrisburg, PA.

    " Andy Reid as OC next season to straighten out the offense. as Bronco's contract expires and he accepts a call to serve as a mission president". "Then Reid assumes the head coaching job the following year as Bronco's contract expires.

    Perhaps, Bronco's calling has been misplaced. Maybe not. I would love to see him called as a Mission President, where he could do the most good.

    It is time to draft Andy Reid, Ty Detmer and Steve Young, to come to the aide of their University and bring us back to the greatness that we can be.

    Andy, Ty and Steve, This is not about money. It is about answering a call and doing something really great for your University that set you on your way to stardum.

    Your fans and school really love you guys, Andy, Ty, and Steve. We put all of our love, respect and trust into you. Show us now that you care.

  • GilmerTexasCougar Gilmer, TX
    Dec. 3, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    Bronco won't have far to look to figure out how to change the mistakes of the 2012 season. All he will have to do is change his OWN mistakes! He's the one who made them. It's hard to believe that in his eighth season he looked like a first time head coach. He has proven he is NOT a head coach.

  • GilmerTexasCougar Gilmer, TX
    Dec. 3, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    Most BYU fans who post on blogs are not delusional at all. We are upset with a head coach who continues to make stupid decisions. He is a very good defensive coach, but since his handling of the offense is so poor, there is no way he is even a decent head coach.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    Will Bronco move to Colorado? Why was Riley allowed to run back out on the field after the Cougars got the ball back with little time remaining in the San Jose game. He looked like he was hurting and "done" after the previous set of downs & went over behind the bench and lay down with a grimace on his face, as if he was hurting bad. Did the trainer give his approval for him to go back out, or did Riley do that on his own before the coaches had a chance to evaluate the situation? It appears that there is an extreme lack of communication and lack of fixed areas of responsibility on the coaching staff. No one seems to take responsibility in certain instances. The same thing happened at the end of the Weber State game when the QB was hurt because of a "lack of communication". These areas are the responsibility of the HC. Bronco appears as if he is relinquishing the offense completely to the OC because he has charge of the defense. I believe Holmoe sees the same things and thus his comment that things will change. Will be interesting to see what changes come.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 3, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    Teams like Notre Dame, Oregon State, Boise State, and Utah are no names?

  • Wireless Lawyer Lehi, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    BYU's defense held 11 of its 12 opponents under their season scoring average and 8 of those opponents were 10+ points below their average. The better the opponent the better the Y's defense: USU 34 points below their average, Boise 26 points below, Georgia Tech 19 points below; San Jose State 17 points below; Notre Dame 11 points below. In fact, no team held USU or Boise State to fewer points than BYU and only Michigan held Notre Dame to fewer points.

    Who coaches that phenomenal defense? The same guy so many folks seem to want to run out of town.

    It's clear improvements need to be made on the offensive side of the football, but I'd prefer to let the architect of a defense that regularly holds opponents to their lowest point total of the season get some help for the offense rather than throw away a clear advantage on the defensive side of the football.

    Bottom line, Mendenhall has consistently taken top 50 recruiting classes and turned them into top 25 ranked teams and is a top 5 defensive mind. No rational thinker would want to let him go (and no he won't stay on just to be DC.)

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Dec. 3, 2012 6:05 p.m.

    @Wireless Lawyer

    Largest reason other teams score so few points (and also why BYU scores so few points) is that BYU is running the ball (and scrambling) most the time. When we run all the time, the clock continues to run and teams have far fewer opportunities to score. Bronco knows that and encourages the run to help his defense. Remember those 4-1/2 hour long passing games of yesteryear, with endless opportunities to score? Not anymore, by Bronco defensive design. Running the ball = fewer scoring opportunities = lower scores = having a chance at the end = Bronco philosophy. Other problem is, he loses all those close games. We need new HC & OC.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 7:57 p.m.

    "The execution and the difference of this season between 7-5 and maybe 9-3 or 10-2 is the difference of a couple of plays here or there."

    More like the difference between 7-5 and 11-1 was the difference of a QB or two. 3rd season in a row this staff has totally blown the QB situation.

    What makes this even more glaring is SUU QB Brad Sorensen was kicked to the curb by Bronco and staff when he tried to walk on. They told him he'd never play there because they had Riley. So he transferred to SUU and is a finalist for the Payton trophy (FCS Heisman equivalent) and is rated by most NFL scouts as the 10th best QB coming out of college this year. He will likely get a spot on an NFL roster somewhere for next season.

    If you want to add insult to injury, Northern Illinois wins the MAC, finishes with one loss and ranked 15th in the BCS poll and they're invited to play in the Orange Bowl. This will forever be known as the season of what if...(Lark had been the starter instead of Nelson).

    Bronco's legacy.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Wow!
    Looks like someone got midpacmajor all rilled up. Have to laugh at how many times people "like" those posts though.
    Guess its easy when you manage multiple avatars to make yourself feel better. Just log in, and "like" your own post.

  • Champs Washington, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    @wireless lawyer

    Thank you for writing something that makes sense.

    BYU fanin. Some truth in what you say also.

  • Wireless Lawyer Lehi, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 10:46 p.m.

    @BYUFaninWashSt
    Wow. If you really believe the main reason BYU held USU to 3 points when the average 37, Boise to 7 points when they average 33, Hawaii to 0 points when they average 23 and five other opponents to 10+ points fewer than their average was because they ran the football more than other teams, your hypothesis should be easy enough to prove.

    I look forward to you response indicating the number of BYU rushes in each game as compared to the average number of rushes by the other team in all our opponents' other games.

    If your theory were valid, you'd expect Georgia Tech (who runs the ball as much as anyone) to be the number 1 defense in the country (or at least hold teams to well below their scoring average). Of course, neither of those things is true.

    Instead of helping the defense, as you suggest, the offense has made the defense's job more difficult. I did not net out all the pick six points scoreed on the offense not the defense. When you consider the above average number of turnovers by the offense, the defensive results are all the more amazing.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    NOA

    Wow, looks like some BYU haters simply can't handle having a little reality rained on their hyperbolic parade.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    Can BYU fans PLEASE stop talking about how close they were to a great season? You had 5 losses! It just isn't true. Close games happen, and on 2 of those close BYU losses (Utah and Boise), the team is 1 play in each of those games from losing by a comfortable margin.

    USU is 2-3 plays away from a BCS bowl. They can talk about what may have been, and have a legitimate point. But BYU fans should just accept that the team (and especially the coaches) needs a lot of work.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 4, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold

    "Can BYU fans PLEASE stop talking about how close they were to a great season?"

    Why?

    I can cite four specific plays in four of the games that BYU lost by a total of 13 points that would have given BYU an 11-1 regular season record.

    Regardless of how much it bothers our jealous friends on the hill, the reality is, BYU WAS just a handful of plays away from having a great season.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Dec. 4, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    I just had a discussion last week with my twelve year old about how self esteem doesn't come from putting others down, but from focusing on building yourself up and being the best YOU can be!

    Nuff said?

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    What are the four plays? How many plays are you from losing by double digits in those games, and from losing to Utah State? If you lose 5 games, it just wasn't your season. Any team can say they are 5-10 plays away from a dramatically different year.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 4, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold

    "Any team can say they are 5-10 plays away from a dramatically different year."

    BYU and Utah State can.

    Utah can't.

    Get over your jealousy.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    How many plays would you say Utah was away from winning that Utah State game? One more win makes Utah bowl eligible, and Utah is having a different season right now.
    How is it jealousy to be bored of hearing about how close BYU was to greatness in a 5 loss season? The team wasn't that great. I just want to hear Cougar fans admit that. Utah fans will and do.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    @ragnar

    No not "any team can", utah can't. They got blown out and pounded in several of their games and 4 plays wouldn't have amde a bit of difference. BYU can claim that and so when you are trying to make an honest assessment of what happened with the season that fact is one part of that assessment. If BYU could have made those 4 or 5 more plays they could have been 11-1.

    Now they didn't make them and that is the difference in 11-1 and 7-5 so the thing to do is analyze what they could have done and why they didn't do it. Pretty simple to understand for most people.

    On the otherhand you would need to analyze 4-5 plays per game, or about 60 for the season to figure out why utah was so bad this year. Time for utah "fans", and of course utah coaches, to get to work. It is going to be a lot longer process for them.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    Ragnar Danneskjold

    In the real world nowadays, project teams often review recently completed projects to determine what went well and what didn't. Best Practices are then incorporated into the next iteration of the project. It's always nice to discover during your review that simply by adjusting some minor inefficiencies, the entire process could be significantly improved.

    Such was the case for BYU and Utah State this season. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case for U.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    BigCougar says "If you want to add insult to injury, Northern Illinois wins the MAC, finishes with one loss and ranked 15th in the BCS poll and they're invited to play in the Orange Bowl. This will forever be known as the season of what if...(Lark had been the starter instead of Nelson)."

    BYU was a LONG ways from a what if season.

    NIU qualifed under the rules of a non-AQ conference - higher than #16, and higher than the champion of a BCS conference. BYU is independent. They are not Notre Dame independent (auto bid if in the top 8). They are Army independent (considered if in top 12). The key word is "considered", not "automatic bid". A one loss BYU sitting at 15 would NOT have earned a BCS bid.

    Don't torment yourself with "what if". For BYU, it is a perfect season, or no BCS.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "A one loss BYU sitting at 15 would NOT have earned a BCS bid."

    A one-loss #15 BYU MAY NOT have earned a BCS bid, but a one-loss #6 BYU, with wins over #1 Notre Dame(11-1), #19 Boise State(9-2), #22 Utah State(10-2), and #24 San Jose State(9-2), and a lone loss to #13 Oregon State(9-3), would have had a VERY GOOD chance for a BCS bid.

    Yes, I know Notre Dame and Boise State would have dropped a little, and San Jose State may have fallen out of the rankings, but Utah State's ranking probably would have gone up with a close loss to #6 BYU.

    It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that a majority of the votes that pushed Northern Illinois high enough in the rankings to qualify for the non-AQ auto bid, would have gone to an even more deserving #6 BYU.

    Utah fans can torment themselves all they want, but bottom line, Northern Illinois has already proven that you don't have to be undefeated to be a "bcs buster".

    The bar will be even lower for an 8-team playoff.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    TrueBlue. As a fan, of course you'd put a 1 loss BYU up with Florida, Oregon, and Kansas State instead of down with NIU at 15. A one loss mid-major would realistically be in the 8 to 12 range.

    Do you picture BYU with one loss before they played Notre Dame? Very difficult for an pre-season unranked team to crack the top ten with one loss by mid October. One loss after the Notre Dame game? Voters/computers are cruel to one-loss mid-majors. They drop hard and fast.

    But let's say things worked out. Notre Dame would still be in the top 8, so they are automatically in. NIU would be in the top 15, so they're automatically in. BYU could be considered, but there wouldn't be any room left at the BCS dance. BCS teams would fill the remaining slots.

    The important thing is understanding that NIU can qualify easier than BYU can.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    14-1 BYU finished #5/#5

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2012 7:15 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    Nice spin, but here's a little slice of history from BYU's 1996 season to debunk your fantasy:

    Third week of the season, little ol' WAC BYU(2-1) loses at #15/#16 Washington 17-29.

    wk4 BYU 3-1 unranked
    wk5 BYU 3-1 #24
    wk6 BYU 4-1 #21
    wk7 BYU 5-1 #19
    wk8 BYU 6-1 #18
    wk9 BYU 7-1 #15
    wk10 BYU 8-1 #13
    wk11 BYU 9-1 #12
    wk12 BYU 10-1 #10 (Nov 11)
    wk13 BYU 11-1 #8
    wk14 BYU 12-1 #7
    wk15 BYU 12-1 #6 (Dec 2)
    wk16 BYU 13-1 #5 (Dec 9)

    From unranked on Sep 16th to #6 on Dec 2nd, just about the time BCS bowl selections would be decided, all without beating a single ranked team until #22 Wyoming in the WAC championship game. Not only could it be done, been there, done that!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 8:59 p.m.

    BYU consistently loses to the BCS teams on their schedule and then beat the lower half of the WAC or Big Sky and BYU "fan" compares records of BCS schools playing Big Boy football to the BYU record.

    If BYU would have played 10 decent games this year they would have finished 4-8 with wins over WAC and Big Sky schools.

    Nice

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    Some of these Ute fans must feel like Maytag repairmen... the loneliest guys in the world. I remember Gordon Jump playing the part so well.

    Life must be pretty sad now, no bowl game, no team to follow, the only thing they do is talk about BYU.

    Someone hand me a Kleenex. These poor jealous lost fans. What will they do?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 5, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    Uteanymous

    Don't let anyone tell you outher wise, your Cougars had a good season in 1996.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    54 dude

    If Utah had played 10 decent opponents this year, the Utes would have finished with two wins.

    The Utes couldn't even beat the lone WAC team on their schedule and without the mis-snap scoop and score would have lost at home to the team you're so quick to disparage.

    "Mediocre" BYU is the ONLY decent team U beat this season, while BYU managed to beat a Top 25 team that was having its best season in 40 years and BYU also had a road win against a team that played in the ACC championship game and will be returning to the Sun Bowl, sans the Utes, this year.

    Face it, as bad as BYU was this season, Utah was much worse.

    7-5 plus a bowl > 5-7 with no bowl

    regardless of how you spin it.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    Uteanymous says "here's a little slice of history from BYU's 1996 season to debunk your fantasy".
    Ummm... we were talking about the BCS, formed in 1998. Which poll are you quoting? AP? Not used in BCS rankings.

    No fantasy from me. You've debunked nothing. Army and BYU have the toughest road to a BCS invite. You can't look at NIU getting in and think "that could have been us". Two different paths.

  • Wireless Lawyer Lehi, UT
    Dec. 5, 2012 6:38 p.m.

    I can't help but find it a bit ironic that most folks on these sites think Andy Reid would be a dream hire to replace Mendenhall.

    Isn't Reid the coach who's team is 3-9 this year and has lost 8 in a row? BTW, the team was 8-8 last year (and had to win their last 4 to get to that record after starting 4-8).

    And Mendenhall has to go because he doesn't win enough? Hmmm.

  • Grillmaster21 Springville, UT
    Dec. 6, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    The Utes have more PAC-12 parades than they do PAC-12 Victories.

    "Fully Invited", eh? More like "Fully Flunking".

  • Cougarbaseball Rifle, CO
    Dec. 6, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    All you Bronco haters out there have no clue. He's got the best winning percentage of any football coach at byu playing far tougher schedules than teams of the past. We played five teams that finished the regular season in the top 25. I don't think we have ever done that. We may have played five teams that were ranked at one time in the season, but the true test of whether the opponents were good is where they finished the season.
    We also took the No. 1 team to the brink when past teams typically would get blown out. Please keep Bronco as long as possible.

  • gharmons Helendale, CA
    Dec. 10, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    Back when I could only watch BYU games at the church, I was dismayed by how many BYU fans thought that they knew more than Coach Edwards. Many were very negative—just like many who write these blogs. Andy Reid? Ty Detmer? Steve Young? Etc? I'd like to see any one of you, Ute or Cougar, try coaching. I like Mendenhall. He fits BYU and its standards. I hope he stays. Cougars and Utes will continue to make snide remarks about each other, but "BYU fans" ripping your own team and their own coaches? You don't sound like BYU fans at all.