I wonder if Mr. Porter ever thought about taking some action after observing the
boys' wrongdoing, e.g. reporting it to the store manager or police, or
confronting the boys directly. Certainly integrity is important, but if one who
observes a lack of integrity does nothing, isn't that also something to
condemn? Where was his sense of civic responsibility? Well, I guess he wrote a
letter to the editor, but somehow that doesn't strike me as the most
appropriate response under the circumstances.
Who in the world screens these inane letters that keep appearing in this
newspaper..I mean really,there must be much better ones to publish that actually
make a point..I do believe that integrity is very essential to maintain a just
and decent society..However,getting a refill on a soda hardly rises to a high
crime or even a minor one..Maybe these young men went outside to eat their
burger in their truck and walked back in to get a refill..There are any number
of scenerios here...Even if the writer is correct in his assertion that soda pop
larceny was committed,was there really a financial hit on the business?What does
a refill cost,maybe three cents..Perhaps these young men should be referred to
sugar rehab to combat the addiction to sweets that many Utahans have...Next
thing you know they will be heading to Colorado to ski(among other
things),joining a union,or voting a straight Democratic ticket..Print meaningful
letters DN,certainly you can do better..
RE: Curmudgeon: Are you saying "Mr. Porter" should drive down the
fast lane of the freeway at 65MPH to do his "civic responsibility"? Are
you saying "Mr. Porter" should take video of every driver rolling a red
light on a right hand turn to do his "civic responsibility"? Are you
saying "Mr. Porter" should call store security every time he sees a
person "taste a grape or two" from the produce counter, in order to do
his "civic responsibility"? Crime is everywhere. You can't
correct it by "turning everyone in". Mr. Porter is correct when he says
the answer in much deeper--to correct our own feeling of integrity and
responsibility instead of relying on being caught to remind us of what we do
wrong. He is also correct in saying if left unchecked in youth, it will only
get worse as they age.
Someday, these guys will make excellent candidates for Utah's legislature.
Utahns re-elect crooks all the time, so why get excited about this little thing?
Mr. Porter is upset about the "integrity" of some boys and soda pop.Where was his outrage about $Trillions handed-out to WallStreet?Where was his outrage about invading Iraq and lying about Weapons of Mass
Destruction?Where was his outrage with $Billions given away in No-Bid
Government contracts?Where was his outrage about Mitt Romney running for
President Flip-Flopping on every issue (lack of integrity)?He's
right about one thing, These boys will grow up thinking they can take
whatever they want so long as they can keep getting away with it.I
suggest a career in Politicas or High-end Business should be in order...
Mr. Porter is correct in pointing out that its' not the soda pop.
It's the bigger issue of people taking what they want, or feel entitled
to.Business ethics has come to be defined as "as long as you
don't get caught" it MUST be ethical.Thats' not what
ethics is all about.Lets have our business and/or political leaders
show what ethics are about - then see if the citizenry follow.
I've never met a young man who wasn't something of an opportunist;
swiping pop from rotten ronnie is probably not a road to a life of crime. At
some point, however, especially around the time you can afford to drive a truck,
you should be paying your own way. One thing that grinds my gears is that, in
all likelyhood, when these chaps are done with their ill gotten gains the cups
go out the window. Everyone feels entitled to use the world as their dumpster
BTW - I know there will be conservatives on here todya that will
somehow try to blame this on Government.But the fact, there kids
learned this at HOME from their PARENTS.Perhaps beginning by
watching Mommy and Daddy doing 70mph in a 65mphorCalifornia StopsorButting in Line.Integrity is about consistantly being
honest, even if and espicially when no-one else is looking.
This is nothing new. Stealing food and drink goes back to the dawn of time.
Very observant though, noticing that it still is applicable today.
Re: "I do believe that integrity is very essential to maintain a just and
decent society..However,getting a refill on a soda hardly rises to a high crime
or even a minor one."Then, you don't actually believe
honesty is essential.Sad.
I recommend that Jeff and others too, find and listen to Steven Covey’s
“The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People”.In the way
back prior to automobile air conditioning, a drug store in the middle west
advertised “free Ice Water” along the very hot, very dry and long
east/west highway of western Kansas. Prior to the free ice water campaign
they were a small drug store catering to the locals of a small town. The free
ice water brought so many people to the store and town that the small drug store
became a large retail establishment. McDonalds like many other
retail merchants spend millions of dollars in advertising and other programs
just to get people to come into their business operation. While the free drink
for the boys may do some harm to the boys, McDonalds gain is worth thousands of
dollars just for the opportunity of having a potential customer come in. Maybe
McDonalds should advertise free drink refills.
Ultra BobCottonwood Heights, UTMaybe McDonalds should
advertise free drink refills.=========== I know at
MicroSoft, The company provide free coffee and soda to employees in the
break areas.Now why would a company give away "Free" stuff
like Obama-claus?MicroSoft knows that - Employees work harder
and longer with less fatigue and complaing, having it free and on-site
keeps them at work with less distractions.i.e., increased
productivity - And their "Return of Investment"?a few
pennies spent = mega-$$ Billions earned.It's all about
Re: "Maybe McDonalds should advertise free drink refills."Maybe so.But, until they do, sneaking into an establishment and
refilling a cup from a previous visit is thievery.It's sad that
thievery has so many defenders among us.
In other news -- The Deseret News reports today that PARENTS, not
schools or Teachers, need to teach our children.Too bad
conservatives seem more concerned about the ACLU and banning children's
books than about out right Thief in our society.
One poster seems to think that because McDonalds provides drinks for its
employees that it should also provide free drinks for everyone. Does that
poster have company provided health care? Does he think that his company should
provide that healthcare to everyone?Honesty is not something that
anyone needs to "report"; it is something that is either a "core
value" or it is not. Government does not "give" us an honesty
allotment. We are either honest or we are not. There is no relationship between
what government does, or doesn't do, to personal honesty. We are either
honest or we are corrupt.
The local 24 hr McDonald's here was only taking cash after 10 pm and
wouldn't take my debit card as payment.For months that went on. I emailed
McDonald's and mentioned that as a former franchise owner myself, I
wondered if they were sure that they were getting all the franchise fees they
were owed by the gross sales numbers.They were taking debit cards
the next week all 24 hrs.
I am a high school student. This may have been me, I only do it after work and
if I have eaten at Mcdonands that day before work. Its just getting a refill. I
have asked the manager (good friends with my boss) and he says its his policy to
refill cups free for a 24 hour period. Just bring the receipt and show them. The
author may not have known the entire story.