What an excellent article. The Democrats depend on chaos in the family and in
society to hold power. Republicans offer values, that if lived, would eliminate
that chaos. Right now, people have chosen to live in chaos. Two States have
voted to legalize "pot". Two States think that lowering the standard of
human conduct is better than expecting people to rise above their appetites and
passions.Have we sunk to that level? Have we abandoned
"rules" of self-conduct to the extent that we would destroy our society
for the right to smoke a "joint"?Have we abandoned the idea
of "family" to the extent that we ignore the children and let the
"adults" act like animals and have sex whenever and with whomever they
want?Have we abandoned the idea that self-reliance is better than
government sponsored welfare?There are not enough "rich
guys" to pay for the depravity of those who have "quit".This nation was not built by "quitters"; it was built by those who
controlled their appetites and passions. Obama won the election by telling us
that we're all losers and that we need his "handouts" to survive.
Is he right?
The article - while insightful - was one-sided enough.The Deseret
News commentary preceeding it was about as one-sidely FoxNews'd biased as
propoganda style media could possible ever become.Can anyone say -
Tabloid journalism?Mike Richards and ilk -- I know it's
not in the "Conastituition" but try doing us all a favor and try
reading Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg address.Even though we all
know he was a "Liberal", he was still our 1st Republican President.[FYI - It may surprise you, his picked a Democrat as his Vice President for
his 2nd term, talk about "compromising" for the sake of healing our
LDS Liberal,Don't tell us that Lincoln shared your views.
Don't try to tell us that he told Americans to stand in line to receive
their "government handouts". Don't try to tell us that he told us
to give up freedom for "security".The "facts" are
easily found. He staked all that he had on FREEDOM. He believed in the dignity
of people being free to forge their own destiny. He believed that the slaves
had the right to work out their destiny. He didn't offer them a welfare
check. He didn't tell them to look to him for their food, their clothing
and their housing. He set them free to WORK out their destiny.You
would have us believe that we are all pawns of the State; that we are all
incapable of doing anything without Washington making that "anything"
possible. That is wrong. That is not what America stands for. America is the
land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE. We are FREE to pursue our dreams
without Washington dictating to use what those dreams should be and without
Obama sticking his hand in our wallets to fund HIS dream.
I don't think there's much gloat out there. The president prevailed in
the election. Now we have some work to do. Anger and vitriol about it isn't
It is exactly this kind of article that is dividing the nation. How about
trying to work together?
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahLDS Liberal,Don't
tell us that Lincoln shared your views.============= OK
I won't.I'll just present the facts ---All men are
created equal (Liberal)Federal Government trumps OVER State Government
(Liberal)Human Dignity OVER Business, Corporate, or Plantation Profits
(Liberal)Saving the Union (Liberal) – Note: Conservative are signing
Session petitions as we speak.RE-Construction of the South was the Biggest
Federal Aid Program in American History (Liberal).You are right, we
are Free. And you are FREE to go live in a cabin in the wilderness and live off
the land, live, die, and not pay ANY taxes – imagine that.The rest
of live in a modern, highly complex Society, and we trade money in the form of
taxes for modern conveniences we can not afford individually (water, roads,
sanitation, police, fire, education, Military, Internet, and now Healthcare,
ect.)I forgot to mention – Pres. Lincoln’s Vice
President was not only a DEMOCRAT, but a Southern Democrat at that…talk
about compromising. Please, read the Gettysburg Address, and try to get along
with other AMERICANS who are not just like you.
Lincoln abolished slavery. LDS Liberal seems to have forgotten that concept.
No name can be required to pay another man's debts. No name can have his
property seized to pay another man's debts. No name is obligated in any
way to pay for the expenses that another man has incurred.No man can
be forced to redistribute his wealth for the benefit of another. Some people
don't understand that simple concept. They think that they can pick the
pockets of anyone at any time to satisfy their own greed and to pay their own
bills. That is not an American principle. Mr. Obama doesn't
understand that principle.Those who match in lock-step with Mr.
Obama don't understand that principle.The Gettysburg address
was not addressed to "freeloaders" who plundered the treasury. The
Gettysburg address recognised the total sacrifice of those who died to secure
the blessings of liberty and of freedom from government intervention in their
lives. Yes, this is a complex world, but that does not mean that you
or anyone else has the right to stick your fingers in my pocket and take my
wallet without my permission. Stealing is still stealing.
"It’s not a coincidence that the economic era that many liberals pine
for — the great, egalitarian post-World War II boom — was an era
that social conservatives remember fondly as well: a time of leaping church
attendance, rising marriage rates and birthrates, and widespread civic renewal
and engagement."It was also a time of strong unions when the
wages of single workman could buy a house and support a family. It was a time of
91% top marginal tax rates. It was a time when corporate taxes brought in a four
times higher share of revenue than they do now. The rich were doing fine, but
they didn't own the entire country, and even the rich understood that a
prosperous working class was essential to a stable society.
J ThompsonSPRINGVILLE, UTLincoln abolished slavery. LDS Liberal
seems to have forgotten that concept. 3:57 p.m. Nov. 20, 2012============= No I did not forget it - in fact, it was the
very 1st one."All men are created equal (Liberal)"Meaning - No man can "own" another - no matter how much rich or
wealthy he may be.To add even more gas to your already stioked fire
-- Imagine -- The President of these United States, signing an executive order entitled the "Emancipation Proclamation" --
and with the stroke of his pen,stripping away the
"ownership" of someone's "property" and not even
compensating him for it?Wowzers!Talk about the ULTIMATE
Liberal evil sin - and Pres. Abraham (bless his Liberal soul) Lincoln did it.You see J Thompson, until you drop your blinders, open your mind and
really learn AND understand facts and history and only see things the way you
WANT to see them, you will remain blind.I can't help you with
that.It is something you will need to do on your own.Try
having a little more contrite spirit, it should help.I know it did for me.
LDS Liberal claims to be LDS, yet fails to understand a prime principle of the
Gospel.that principle being Agency, personal choice.I
believe that was what the war in the pre-existance was all about.DO
we do based on our individual free will to choose,or do we have a
greater power compel us?Liberals desire we have a greater power (the
state) compel charity, compel equality, compel fairness, compel
righteousness, or at-least to how liberals define those things.Conservatives believe all men should be free, and have their Agency to
succeed or fail, free to pursue their happiness.Equality, fairness
are funny words, you must define what you mean by equal or fair. Men are NOT
equal in all ways. Life is not fair.NO state has succeeded in
creating those things. In attempting to do so they must introduce unfairness and
inequality. They must tear others down, punish those who succeed more than
others, strip away freedoms and property from others for even a semblance of
equality and fairness.God knows we're not equal and life
isn't fair, but Zion is created only by free will, Agency to do good.What good gloat?
LDS Liberal won. Time to realize the country isn't as conservative as
the tea party. There is still time for the cons to be on the right side of
history. It's been a while, but they can do it.
Any one else notice how gaunt the President is looking.It was really
noticeable in the third debate.
Re: "Time to realize the country isn't as conservative as the tea
party."It's also WAY past time Democrats realized that the
country isn't as "progressive" or socialist as the Democrat Party.
the truthHolladay, UTLDS Liberal claims to be LDS, yet fails to
understand a prime principle of the Gospel.that principle being
Agency, personal choice.I believe that was what the war in the
pre-existance was all about.============= So - Why
do you force a victim of rape to bear a child?Why do seek to ban books,
movies, alcohol, and other "vices" YOU don't deem righteous?Why do you seek laws that ban certain individuals who are just like you?Why do you contantly FORCE people to do the right?[Wasn't the
precisely Lucifer's plan - Forced righeotusness, so that NONE of them will
be lost?]And as for the election - Who wants to secede from the
Union when they didn't get their way?FYI - Lucifer and his followers
were cast of for REBELLION, not for their plan.You might want to
reconsider where you stand on the issues....
Following Bush's election there were many liberals who threatened to
immigrate to Canada so stop bringing up the silliness of a small segment that
mouth off about succession. It was a protest statement, not a plan. Compromise
means that both sides come to the center, not just one. So far, neither side
understands that. Taxing the rich is a political statement, not a comprehensive
economic strategy. The country rejected a Harvard School of Business approach
and voted for the Keynesian approach. Lord Alfred Keynes noted that money is