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Election showed blatant media bias, lack of journalism ethics

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 12:19 a.m.

    I totally agree. Every Limbaugh, Savage, Oreilly and other AM 'talk' host, and the entire supposed 'fair and balanced' fox organisation, totally lost themselves and their credibility in this past election cycle. The election night denial meltdown of rove on fox is classic. This kind of bias and lack of ethics, let alone the disconnect from reality, has to stop. It's time to start reporting reality again, and if the republican party is becoming self irrelevant is reality, report it.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 12:29 a.m.

    In the private universe inhabited by today's version of the GOP, any news that disproves or causes embarrassment to the conservative groupthink is deemed "biased."

    Here's a fundamental reality that conservatives must accept - painful truths are not your enemies, and comforting lies are not your friends. Learn that lesson, or accept that the destiny of your party is to accellerate itself into ever greater ridicule and irrelevancy.

  • LeftBehind SAN FRANCISCO, CA
    Nov. 17, 2012 2:09 a.m.

    'Fair and Balanced'? Has a familiar ring to it. In 1987 the FCC removed the 'fairness doctrine' as a requirement for broadcasters.Originally, The fairness doctrine was supposed to ensure that viewers would be exposed to all kinds of viewpoints. Because the broadcast spectrum was limited, it was felt that each outlet had a responsibility to show more than one side of an issue. With the proliferation of cable and the internet, that argument lost its impact. Now all broadcasters are 'free' - free to put their own spin on the news. And we consumers are 'free' - free to listen to whichever viewpoints reinforce our own conceptions or misconceptions. Rush Limbaugh and Keith Olbermann are the logical consequences of such thinking.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 5:02 a.m.

    Surprising that the DN would publish Grace's critical assessment of its biased coverage of the election.

    Or is the bias in the eye of the beholder? Especially when the beholder's favorite candidate loses?

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 5:03 a.m.

    Who is the mainstream media and how much information flow do they control? The newspaper with the largest circulation (including digital subscriptions) is the Wall Street Journal, with a circulation of about 2.3 million. To me, the WSJ has a conservative bias. The second largest circulating paper is USA Today (1.7 million). I have not noted a liberal bias there, either. The NY Times, which I imagine is the focus of many media bias claims is third at 1.614 million. Others in the top ten include the NY Post and the Chicago Sun Times. They both seem quite conservative to me.

    Although Fox News viewership has been dropping slightly it is still the dominant cable news network.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 17, 2012 5:32 a.m.

    So subjective.

    Can someone tell me who the mainstream media is and who it is NOT?

    I absolutely see some media that have easily recognizable political leanings. Fox and MSNBC probably lead the pack.

    But, the claims seem to muddy after that. People on the right seem to have the mentality that if it does not lean clearly to the right, than it is left leaning.

    So again, what mainstream media is NOT liberal. A short list would be appreciated.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 6:37 a.m.

    Yes, Grace, I too recognize that the mainstream media, ie, FOX "News", Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, The Wall Street Journal, talk radio, Ann Coulter, Micheal Malkin, Mark Levin, etc, hold far too much power. And I also agree that this chattering class on the Right is far too controlled by the Republican Party. And I also agree, Grace, that they hold far too much sway over the voters, after all you see their silly, highly misleading arguments everywhere.

    But, it's a free country, so what's you gonna do?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Nov. 17, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    I agree, FOX news that is blasted everywhere here is blatantly biased. How do you have Carl Rove as a commentator and still call it journalism?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 17, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    Some of you people just don't understand! For example:Gay marriage and marijuana being legalized on the same day in Washington State.
    Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lays with another man he should be stoned."
    We've just been interpreting it incorrectly for all these years!

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Nov. 17, 2012 7:16 a.m.

    It is easy to make gross generalizations about media bias, but can you give us some convincing evidence?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 17, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    @ Hutterite and Blue. Yep, you guys must be right! That explains why rating of NBC, CBS and ABC news are plummeting in America while Fox News ratings are the highest in the nation among news outlets; Fox News viewers are all deluded! The truth is all people see the world, not as it really is but as THEY really are! Enjoy your "news" (read left wing spin) from your fountains of truth! Free speech is not just for liberals anymore! If a liberal disagrees with a conservative, liberals call it free speech! If a conservative disagrees with a liberal, liberals call it "hate speech"!

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 17, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    First of all Grace what would unbiased mean? If the unemployment rate comes down from 10% in Sep. of 2010 (the height of the recession) to 7.9% in Sep. of 2012, does unbiased mean a) the unemployment rate has come down 2.1% in the last three years b)things are better off today than they were three years ago, or c)the unemployment rate is not coming down fast enough?

    Secondly, the most watched "news" networks were created to give opinions. I personally mostly watch MSNBC but I do so for their opinions (and I love the DVR so I can fast forward through the opinions I don't find useful). Same with FOX. I watch that occassionaly also..for their opinions. The world has changed Grace, it doesn't look like 1955. The network that does the most unbiased job of reporting is PBS. Otherwise it's an opinion frenzy.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    If you get your news from TV you'll never know what's going on in this country. All TV networks are owned by corporate behemoths and tell you want their corporate masters want you to know. If you want real news and opinion you have to read, preferably small independent sources. I like "the American Prospect", and "the American Conservative". One is liberal, one is conservative, but they both give a wide range of opinions that are well reasoned, and well written.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    Although he ignores the irrefutable fact that the mainstream media is clearly biased in favor of left-wing extremism, Roland has made a good point. The general public is to simple-minded and gullible to discern the truth or falsity of what they see on the news.

    As proven by the last election, the ignorant masses simply follow the beat of the leftist media drum. The masses do not bother to educate or inform themselves about the issues, so they simply pick the candidate whom the news portrays as most likely to provide graft and freebies.

    Clearly, this letter is correct in its condemnation of the leftist media. However, it stops short when it fails to condemn the ignorant masses who accept the biased propaganda. If we want a better country, we must have better voters. The time has come to recognize that voting should be a privilege limited to only those who demonstrate that they have the ability and the determination to be educated and informed.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    If the nation were to adopt the "standards" for voting advocated by JCS, he would be unable to vote.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    @JCS: "The time has come to recognize that voting should be a privilege limited to only those who demonstrate that they have the ability and the determination to be educated and informed."

    Meaning, of course, people just like you. The others are "ignorant masses." Right?

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    The media is overwhelmingly liberal. When they report on a subject they express the issue from their own political bias and then to counterbalance they begin with "Conservatives say...." The clear implication is that they have spoken the truth and the alternative view is not the truth. Most on MSNBC and several on Fox News are so far off that it qualifies as comedy. The widespread ignorance of the masses led early frames of our republic to have indirect elections, not very democratic but fashioned to prevent the tyranny of the masses. Things haven't changed much.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    Mtn Man:
    John 8:7
    "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    Hemlock: "The media is overwhelmingly liberal. "

    Not true. Reality, however, does indeed tilt towards liberal.

    Side note: If this newspaper were any more biased in favor of Mitt Romney it would have to include Pom- Poms with each issue.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 17, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    "Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lays with another man he should be stoned."
    We've just been interpreting it incorrectly for all these years!"

    Too funny Mountanman. I guess conservatives can have a sense of humor.

    Thanks for the chuckle.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    I think the "liberal" media bias is found mostly on basic television: CBS, NBC, ABC and PBS stations lean heavily left. It is true, though, that most talk radio seems to be overwhelmingly conservative, if that is the correct term for a mixture of Republican, Libertarian and Constitutionalist opinions.

    Micawber may have a good point about newspapers: people choose the more conservative press more often than not when they have a choice. On basic television, channels available 'from the air" or on basic cable, there is little choice, but someone said that the networks (represented by channels two, four, five and seven) are losing much of their audience in favor of Fox News Channel when it is available. Personally I dislike the combative style of Bill O'Riley as much as the pablum dished out by CBS, NBC and ATV, but there are other views available on Fox.

    At the same time the North-East and the West Coast are themselves more likely to favor the "liberal" media even when given options. The South generally is another matter and the heartlands prefer conservative views on the whole. I think a lack of diverse opinion is resented in many media outlets.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Wah, wah, wah, we hear what we want to hear. At this very moment, right leaning corporate interests are buying profitable left leaning radio stations and changing the formats. Ask the citizens of Portland and Seattle if they need more diluted sports talk. Grace, you are a victim of a oligarchical society like the rest of us.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    It's sad that so many people have no idea what left truly is. They see moderate and think its left.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    The biggest problem with the media is absolutely not liberal media bias, which essentially doesn't exist at all. The problem is sensationalism and foolishness. Watch CNN, and their coverage of Hurricane Sandy, which seemed mostly to consist of reporters standing foolishly outside in rotten weather to show off how rotten the weather was. And look at the stories that get completely obsessive coverage; like the bogus nonsense about the boy in the balloon.
    What should have been the two biggest issues in the past political campaign. Seems to me either climate change or nuclear disarmament, right? Focus on the two issues which pose an existential threat to human life on this planet; a decaying and useless nuclear arsenal, and dangerous changes in weather. Neither got any attention at all from the media this past election. Instead what did they talk about? The Romney family dog tied to a car roof. Obama's birth certificate.
    Our news isn't biased; it's trivial.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    Who asks the questions? What questions were asked about the Benghazi attack? Who asked those questions? Where was the "main stream media"?

    Who asked the questions about unemployment? 100,000 more people were unemployed the week after the election than the week before the election. Who are those people. What "main stream media" asked those questions?

    Millions of illegal aliens were granted "de facto" amnesty by Obama. Which "main stream media" asked him why he selectively granted "de facto" amnesty in contradiction to the oath of office that he swore before 330,000,000 Americans?

    Solyndra was given "loan guarantees" by the Obama administration. Which "main stream media" asked him why those "guarantees" were given?

    Why hasn't the "main stream media" asked Obama what was so important in Las Vegas that he has to go there with an Ambassador had just been killed?

    Why hasn't the "main stream media" asked Obama how $60,000,000,000 to be raised by taxing the "rich guy" will bring in the $1.6 TRILLION - twenty-five times as much - that he demands Republicans give him?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    I repeat --

    While I watched election night coverage on FoxNews
    it was always "Us", "We" and "Ours" with reference to Republicans
    vs. "Them", "Their" and "Theirs" to the Democrats.

    The rest of the liberal-lame-stream media just reported the facts showing no preference or bias.

    I'll stay away from FoxNews - the 21st century tabloid.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    I agree that PBS is the most central/neutral network, which is really sad when you realize they are beholden to the hand that feeds them, the big federal government (a liberal value).

    The fact is that, even being the closest to the middle, they are still left. After all, it was one of their reporters that jumped out of the "unbiased moderator role" and into the "take sides with Obama" role in the debate.

    The news reporting job draws a higher percentage of liberals than are in the general population, and it shows through in their reporting. The only real balance the conservatives have is those few reporters and their network (1) who are the exception, and are to the right. They have to make their voice heard. Balance could be achieved by listening to both types of media, but most people don't bother. They find a favorite and just listen to that until they are parroting the only side they have listened to.

    I dare you to listen to both sides, EQUALLY. You can pick anything from PBS to MSNBC for the left, but you have to listen to FOX to get right side view and have balance.

  • Oldcoach Hurricane, 00
    Nov. 17, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    I am a Mormon moderate. Watching Faux News just makes me laugh, especially when they call themselves "Fair and Balanced". What a joke! I watched Karl Rove go ballistic on election night and just cracked up. If there is any bias, it is on the Faux.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 9:51 p.m.

    JCS says: "However, it stops short when it fails to condemn the ignorant masses who accept the biased propaganda. If we want a better country, we must have better voters. The time has come to recognize that voting should be a privilege limited to only those who demonstrate that they have the ability and the determination to be educated and informed."

    It just hit me. He's RIGHT!

    The fact that this nation elected President Cheney and his little buddy not once, but twice, is proof positive.

    We need some kind of test to determine who has enough sense to vote.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    Funny how all the leftists who post on here, have judged the leftwing media to be fair and and impartial. I think the lasting and most telling sign of the Team Obama Media, was the moment in that 2nd debate when the "respected journalist/moderator" teamed up with the Anointed One, to defend and "set the record straight".

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    Funny how all the R's who post on here, have judged the R-wing media to be fair and balanced.
    The lasting and most telling sign of the Annointed One-Team Romney Media, was the hourly/daily/weekly/monthly/yearly cheer-leading of all things R.

    However, I do enjoy the R-wing media daily election post-mortem/set the record straight dialogue regarding Grover, Karl, Rush, Sean, Bill, Haley, Bobby, Ann, Laura ripping the RNC/Romney/Romney Campaign for losing an election that was a sure thing (according to R-wing pollsters/Karl etc.).

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    To HaHaHaHa 10:52 a.m. Nov. 18, 2012

    So you're saying that Romney should have been allowed (again) to lie with impunity?

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    re: Roland Kayser 8:01 a.m. Nov. 17, 2012

    "If you get your news from TV you'll never know what's going on in this country. All TV networks are owned by corporate behemoths and tell you want their corporate masters want you to know."

    Exactly. 5 corporations own a Lion's share of all media outlets.

    Interestingly, Al Jazeera, S Asian, & France 24 news are quite refreshing compared to MSNBC & Fox. The periodicals Reason & Mother Jones are insightful as well.

    re: John Charity Spring 8:30 a.m. Nov. 17, 2012

    "Although he ignores the irrefutable fact that the mainstream media is clearly biased in favor of left-wing extremism, Roland has made a good point. The general public is to simple-minded and gullible to discern the truth or falsity of what they see on the news."

    Isn't it Murdoch's outlets here in America that most of the ill-informed masses tune into?

    My kudos to them for being able to tap into the limbic region of the brain using emotional wedge issues to continue their Svengali like hold on the simple minded.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    per one old man (9:51 p.m. Nov. 17, 2012)...

    "We need some kind of test to determine who has enough sense to vote."

    I got it. If you find Foxworthy & Engvall funny, are a fan of country music, and find Glenn Beck wise then you should surrender your voting priviliges. Just my 2 cents.

    We now return to your regularly scheduled chaos....

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    @ Furry If Mr. Romney had any lies to tell, I wouldn't support that. But on the other hand, I can overlook a few, because he has a long way to go, to catch up to all the lies your guy Obama tells.