While you're naming presidential accomplishments and unification, you may
have forgotten some. How about Nixon leaving the White House in disgrace
splintering the country with Vietnam and Watergate? What about Clinton
balancing the federal budget? What about Thomas Jefferson acquiring the
Louisiana Purchase and doubling the size of the country? What about Hoover
overseing the greatest economic collapse in US history splintering the country
into haves and have nots with 25% unemployment? What about Buchanan who was
President when the rebels seceded at Ft. Sumter? What about Theodore Roosevelt
who used the Antiquities Act to lock up vast tracts of land dividing the people
of the west? You provided such a subjective list, that I thought
I'd add to it. BTW, you look at the Bushes as squelching
aggression. While maybe true for Bush I, Bush II was far from the benevolent
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.More noise from the wingnut fringe. We
already know the drill. Must we put up with this nonsense for another four
years? And who, pray tell, would bring us all together? That guy
was defeated after writing off 47% of the population. But then, the
conservative extremists never were very concerned about anyone remotely
different from themselves. They talk of "moochers" and
"illegals" and "women who can't remember their place" and
young people who want "gifts from the government". Not very inclusive.
"Previous presidents strengthened the U.S. and united it..."
Richard Nixon and Watergate did not. President Kennedy was very unpopular
with many folks in 1961. The election of Abraham Lincoln, from the Southern
slave state point of view, forced them to do what they did."...the Constitution, the greatest God-inspired civil document;" Under the original Constitution Black Americans would only counted
as 60% of a person today. Using the original Constitution and also the Bill of
Rights, slavery existed for over 70 years. The Constitution allowed for
drastically needed improvements through Amendments. That was indeed
inspired."Wilson and Roosevelt protected the U.S. from foreign
aggressors;". But according to many unhappy citizens today,
they started this whole “Socialist” mess we are in today.“Obama proceeded to fundamentally change America by forcing medical care
upon U.S. Citizens...” Medicare was passed by the Congress
and signed by President Johnson in 1965. In 1972 it expanded to cover youths
with disabilities. In 2001 and 2003 Congress expanded Medicare further. 1965
was 47 years ago and the President was about 4 years old then.All
citizens “...need to continue to abide by the Constitution...”.Amen.
"Obama proceeded to fundamentally change America by forcing medical care
upon U.S. citizens and overruled constitutional laws by his executive orders,
etc."Yes Don. Obama did champion a Republican Health Care Idea
and put it into law (much as Mitt Romney did for Mass)And Yes Don,
Obama has used "executive orders". (however, at a slower clip that any
of his recent Republican counterparts.)Consistency Don, that's
all I ask for.
We are a nation of diverse ideas. There will never be 100% agreement on
anything.Obama's re-election victory was achieved with a larger
margin of the popular vote than Bush's re-election in 2004.Doesn't that mean that President Bush splintered the nation more than
Obama?But this is silly.Obama won and had significantly
more than 50% of the popular vote, and turnout was high. His election is based
with an honest majority of voters, not a plurality. He is the president, and in
spite of conservative fringe fantasies, he's politically very moderate.There's important work to be done. Quit whining and start helping.
Don, let's be honest and admit that your perception is that if your guy is
in office things are always rosy because you look the other way. If it's
the other guy then every pimple blows up under a microscope. I'm sorry but
the divisiveness is caused intentionally by not the leader but by the followers,
especially in this case.
Oh my..should anyone wonder why the Republican brand has lost it's appeal
nationaly, and hasn't been able to reach the 50% mark in 5 of the last 6
Presidential elections..I would suggest they read this bubble letter.
"The Election made me wonder how we could arrive at another four years of an
Obama Administration."I'll explain.H was up
against Mitt Romney.
Welcome to the new normFurther divisiveness as evidenced by
BO's consistent class warfare and the first 8 comments.
FDR and Lincoln were both despised by a significant portion of the American
Gotta blame the Republicans on the division, who vowed to make sure Obama
failed.Libya is an excellent example. Terrorists attacked American
citizens. How do the Republicans react? Do they join the nation in getting the
terrorists? No, they are working hard to get the administration. What have
they come up with so far? Outrage (outrage!!) that the administration went
public with the unclassified assessment (outrage over a film) instead of the
classified assessment (terrorist attack).That's it?
Republicans think the administration should release classified material in the
press releases? Its just political bluster, and it emboldens the terrorists.
Don's letter should somehow be preserved for future generations, but not
because it was a great letter. What it shows us (and future historians) is the
level of truculence that has been grafted by vampire AM radio and Tea Party know
nothings onto what HAD been an admirable entity - The Republican Party.
@ModerateDid Democrats not want to make Bush a one term president also?
So how is it that you are more of a victim of Republicans now?You
blame Republicans for not "getting the terrorists" while excusing Obama
for obfuscating that it even was terrorists.That, sir, is NOT the
arguments of a MODERATE; they are merely the apologist excuses of a left-wing
CounterOf course both political parties want to win the
presidency.There are however, different ways to go about it.If it becomes your NUMBER ONE GOAL, as stated by Mitch Mcconnell, then
it is a greater priority than doing good work for the country. By definition,
doing what is best for the county had to take a lesser priority.See
Every single bill, proposal, and step forward proposed by the dems the last 4
years was unanimously and unceremoniously dismissed out of hand by the GOP."Party first, honor second" should be on the top of their
@CI;Sure, Dems wanted Bush to be a one-term President. The
difference though, is that they didn't sabotage every little thing that
Bush tried to do. They actually cooperated with him. The Republicans made
ousting Obama in 4 years their number one priority instead of working on an
This election was not fair at all. If it was, the Green party candidate
wouldn't have been arrested just for showing up wanting to excercise her
right to debate these two corporate tyrants. She was arrested twice and detained
for 8 hours each time for just wanting to debate Obama and Romney. I
am so sick of the mass media playing their race card to stiffle dissent.
Literally any form of dissent is considered "racist" just fill in the
blank and it's considered "racist" You know, what, I'm totally
fearless, They can bury me in their pathetic race card. Thats all these tyrants
can do. I know plenty of black people that think Obama and Romney are full of
it. When they play their race card they will have nothing else left. They can
take me to their FEMA camps and do whatever they like, it will just make me and
people like me a martyr. I laugh at those who compare wanting to be
independent to being apostate. I don't want to be dependant on the
government my entire life. I want a future and I don't want America to be
Hey, when I was a kid, we made our annual visit to Utah to visit relatives, and
stopped at the Truman library on the way. When my grandmother found out, she
refused to feed us. She had this whole spread laid out on the table; it got
packed up and put in the fridge, and we had to go to a local restaurant instead.
So yeah, some people take politics real seriously.
Are they going to deport me fo excercising my 1st amendment? Are they going to
deport me for not wanting to live in slavery? Are they going to deport me for
not wanting the Drug war? Are they going to deport me for wanting a non-partisan
government? Do they want to deport me for not wantin to live under the NDAA? Do
they want to deport me for not wanting to lived under the foreign special
interest two-party authoritarian oligarchy? Of course this country
is broke so when I think of deportation, I think of the nazi form of
deportation. Let them do their worse? If they want to put me to death for being
an intellectual revolutionary, let them. Like obi-wan kenobi says, "If you
strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
The spirit of divisiveness has come from the president and the democrats in
congress. In the first 2 years of Obama's presidency, the republicans were
not permitted to even attend the meetings crafting the unaffordable health care
act, or much of any legislation. No republican input, no voice, no respect.
Total divide, by Demos.Then there is the constant class warfare
drumbeat, with a shadow racial implication, coming from the president himself.
His unity speeches are purely hypocritical. He is the ultimate divider. All the
blind Obama worship doesn't change the real facts. And while you are
nodding your head at his every word, realize that uniting barely half the
country is not unity. It is dividing the country in half.Divide and
conquer has been the Democrat strategy, with the president leading the way.
Just look at how inflammatory the comments of his followers. Rude,
disrespectful, insulting beyond belief. It comes from the top down.Sadly, divide and conquer has been effective, of course having the backing of
most the media has helped. All those who work, or wish to work, will pay the
price for it.
I thought speaking ill of a President during wartime was treasonous? At least,
that's what folks like Don were telling me just a few years back. Ha ha
ha!If unity was really Don's priority then Obama was clearly
the best option! Mitt Romney lost the popular vote so even fewer people liked
him! If unity was a priority for Don, why did he vote for Bush for 2
terms? I can't think of a more offensive and divisive President in recent
times. So Bush was really defending us against Iraq? Because Iraq had such a
great military and couldn't wait to bomb Pearl Harbor or something??? How do you know that Obamacare isn't God-inspired? It
was created by conservatives (Heritage Foundation), sponsored by repubs (Orrin
Hatch), and implemented into law by a repub governor (Mitt Romney).Sounds to me that repubs might need to come to the realization that their baby
(Obamacare) might be God-inspired. They were the ones that came up with it.
Obama just signed it into law. But it was repubs who created it.
"Obama has split the Nation"..........It is the
talk show hosts who have done that, and his being black has made their efforts
Obviously, history all depends on where you are standing at the time, and the
color of the lens in your glasses. Hate is like writing on a
persons character with an indelible pencil. And it seems like it has always
been the preferred political weapon of the conservative group. However since
the best defense against hate is thought to be hate itself, it’s use is
not confined to conservatives. President Obama’s policies are
not much different than if he has been a republican president. Obamacare was
mainly a republican creation. It and other policies favored business interests
more than people. Faced with inadequate ammunition from his polices,
republicans and conservatives had to fall back onto their main weapon of hate.
So, President Obama was branded by such things as socialist,
communist, tyrant, anti-god, and all sort of other terrible attributes of a
boogie man. But underneath all the smoke, was the indelible writing from the
I don't think Don and the rest of his ilk are recognizing the real
problem.Stop ignoring the elephant in the room.Your
ideals just aren't popular anymore. How many more elections do
you folks need to lose?
Every election in the last few decades comes down to 10%. This is no different.
Ok liberals, so far you claim that Obama is not a divider.If Obama
is so wonderful, and everything is the fault of the Republicans, explain the
following articles that all point to Obama as the polarizing figure:"Obama: The most polarizing president. Ever. " Washington Post"Gallup: Views of Obama are polarized" USA Today"Obama bemoans polarized politics, then adds to it" Washington Post"Obama Presidency Still Polarizing, Bipartisanship Still Dead"
Outside the beltway"Obama's Approval Ratings More Polarized
in Year 2 Than Year 1" GallupIf Obama is such a uniter, why do
the polls all point to him being a polarizing figure?
Enjoy the next 4 years Don!The world is a wonderful and beautiful
place. I suggest you go outside and get rid of your cranky mood.
Christian 24-7 Murray, UTIf you only understood politics. Partisan
division is not new." . . . divide and conquer has been
effective, of course having the backing of most the media has helped."Ever listen to Fox News and conservative radio talking heads?The best strategy is to attack one's political opponent for the same
things you are doing but frame it in such a way that they are the "bad
ones". And if that doesn't work, make something up. Do you ever
wonder why the comments you make here only resonate with like-minded believers?
You say it's the "blind Obama worship", the 47% moocher class, and
if anyone had half a brain they would accept your position. Do you not see the
illogic in writing off half the population and then blaming the oppositon as
dividers?We could have a discussion on the failings and faults of
both sides in this political drama, but the rigid thinking of movement
conservatives will not acknowledge that they may also be at fault. They prefer
to simply block out any discussion with the self-rightous attitude that they are
right and everyone else is wrong.
RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT"Ok liberals, so far you claim that
Obama is not a divider."If Obama is so wonderful, and everything
is the fault of the Republicans, explain the following articles that all point
to Obama as the polarizing figure:"Obama: The most polarizing
president. Ever. " Washington PostFirst let's get over the
false doctrine that Democratic voters consider "everything is the fault of
the Republicans". Such a statement is gross generalization and is insulting
to any Democrat or Independent. Republicans can be blamed for a lot,
particularly in the last four years, but to say "everything" is
irrational.As for Obama as a polarizing element in today's
political world, it can be concluded that he has been the focus of polarizing
forces, primarily the efforts of movement conservatives and wingnut extremists
to demonize and identifiy him as "the other" and "not one of
us".Fox News and conservative radio had focused their efforts
for the last four years solely on identifying Obama as the key figure around
which they could develop sufficient opposition to defeat his presidency and keep
him from winning a second term. In other words, they made him a
What would happen in America if the President used a vulgarisms that was so
offensive that no father in America would ever utter that vulgarisms in front of
his family? What would happen if that vulgarisms was addressed to a six year
old girl who was the daughter of a nationally known reporter? Would the news
media in a moderate sized market cover things up because that vulgarisms was too
strong for their "market", or would that news media report that the
President had used crass comments unbecoming a President of the United
States.Apparently, the news media in that moderate sized market
would cover up the President's vulgarisms, even though that vulgarisms was
printed world wide, rather than reporting the facts.What happens
when the news media abdicates its responsibility? We have a President who
returns to power who never would have been elected if the news media did their
job to accurately and completely inform its customers of the President's
words.The President has splintered us into a divided nation. His
vulgarisms, if foreknown, would have prevented his reelection. The Deseret News
failed to report his words. What a shame.
To Counter Intelligence 9:38 a.m. Nov. 16, 2012@ModerateDid
Democrats not want to make Bush a one term president also? So how is it that you
are more of a victim of Republicans now?---------------------The difference is that the Democrats didn't try to do everything
they could to make Bush fail (he did that all for himself). The Democrats tried
to work with Bush for the good of the country. That's why we got the
unfunded tax cuts, the unfunded invasion and occupation of Iraq, etc., etc.,
etc. The country would have been better off if they had worked harder to block
Bush's excesses, but they went along with him instead.
If the Republican Party continues on the course they are on, they will self
destruct in only a matter of a few years.
@JoeBlow:"Obama did champion a Republican Health Care Idea and
put it into law (much as Mitt Romney did for Mass)"Obama put
government healthcare into federal law... Romney put it into state law. The
Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does not permit
the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance. The Constitution also
tells us that the power and authority of the federal government is listed and
limited and that all other power and authority not listed belongs to the state.
Obama did wrong. Romney did right."And Yes Don, Obama has used
"executive orders". (however, at a slower clip that any of his recent
Republican counterparts.)"Obama didn't even bother to use
Executive Orders to give amnesty to illegal immigrants, which, buy the way, is a
felony. He granted amnesty by simply sending a memo to the Department of
Homeland Security."Consistency Don, that's all I ask
for."A president loyal to his oath of office is all we ask for.
"The Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does
not permit the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance."You may have missed it, but the Supreme court ruled that the health insurance
mandate was constitutional.
"he Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does
not permit the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance."The Supreme court ruling that I saw was that the Insurance Mandate WAS
constitutional.Did you miss that.
I am not really sure how old the author of this letter is.... but really? We
don't remember people chaining themselves to the fences of the White House
during the Bush Administration? Were those just really bad collective dreams we
had watching the hearings about open coke cans or Monica Lewinski? Do we just
pretend we don't remember how divided Carter made the nation with pulling
out of the olympics or the "I can't drive 55" generation. Surely
does the author think Obama has divided the nation more than during the Johnson
and Nixon Vietnam era? Can we even recall Watergate, Iran Contra, Travelgate...
or the numerous other "...gates".If we really want to jump
back into the way-back machine, how about the Teapot Dome scandal.It
is this type of over the top rhetoric - saying that this nation is more divided
then it ever has been - even considering abolition, makes one wonder. I get you
see what you want to see, but really, has our national memory become that bad?
Its either that or people really don't know our own history
very well. I am afraid to pick either answer.
I am taking the next 4 years in stride and sitting back with a smile on my face
to see how Obama voters (and our current government really) handle what they has
in store and what their agendas really are. This country is extremely divided
and whether people like it or not, leadership everything to do with that. I think the next 4 years will be a lot of "I told you so"....
The re election of the president is the most hopeful sign of the existence of
'out of many, one'. The grapes are a little sour if you think you
still deserve 'out of many, the one we want'. We've grown up