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Letter: Republicans in House of Representatives must avoid another mistake

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  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 16, 2012 4:46 a.m.

    What it appears that Mr Crippen does not understand is that raising the debt ceiling allows the govt to pay for things previously purchased.

    But, stick with your erroneous narrative, if that makes you feel better.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 16, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    Cell phones and food stamps..what a misinformed rant. The "Obama" cell phone, where did that come from? It came from a government program that gives certain low income people basic access to telecommunications. Where did this program come from..who started it..wait, wait drumroll..Roland Regan. Yup, it's a Roland Regan progam that has morphed over the decades from land line access to cell phones.

    Bad mouthing food stamps who's use increased in the middle of the worst economic downturn in 70 years is just immoral. Especially when the downturn was caused by an internal failure of the very economy that is suppose to provide food and shelter.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    Seriously...I can't believe some of the letters that get published here.

    Makes for lots of laughs though.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    @ Pragmatist. Roland Regan? Who is Roland Regan? If you meant Ronald Reagan, why are they not called Ronald Reagan phones instead of Obama phones? Ronald Reagan never, I repeat, never offered free phone for anyone! Come on man, stop lying to yourself!

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Its scary that people actually believe stuff like this.

  • L White Springville, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    Can Mr. Obama really blame the House Republicans for his financial problems when he could not find a single friend in the Senate to support his budget. Are we to believe that all one-hundred Senators are complete simpletons because they would not vote for his budget?

    The House is the only part of government that has kept us from bankruptcy. The House is the only part of government that seems to know anything abut economics. The House refuses to let Mr. Obama bully them into destroying this country.

    If Mr. Obama wants change, maybe he should change his attitude. The only people who agree with him are those who want some "rich guy" to pay their way through life.

    Let him rant. He's just proving that he cannot negotiate and that his budget has no merit. Wise people will ignore his tantrums.

  • Noodlekaboodle Millcreek, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    @Mountanman,Pragmatist
    Try doing a little research, Regan did offer free phones to low income people. Why isn't it called a Regan phone? Because the republicans are trying to use it against Obama and it wouldn't look good for them to brand St. Regan as a guy who give away free stuff. It's called the LifeLine program. It was started in 1984, under the Regan administration. However, it's not paid directly with tax money. If you look at your phone bill and see the USF(universal service fund) fee that is where the money comes from. Initially the plan only covered land lines, but in 2008 the Bush administration extended the program to include cell phones due to the increase in their use and the decrease in landline use. All Obama did was have the FCC look into tighter regulation and an overhaul of the program due to a spike in costs after cell phones were approved for the program. All of this info is available if you search Obama Phone on the Snopes website.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Keep it up, Republicans. This kind of bitterness and mendacity is ensuring future Democratic election victories.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Mountainman writes "Ronald Reagan never, I repeat, never offered free phone for anyone! Come on man, stop lying to yourself!"

    Unless of course one takes the time to look into the "lifeline program" signed into law by Ronald Reagan.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    What is most frightening about our country today is how many people, for whatever reason, make no attempt to learn the TRUTH before writing letters or starting to shout.

    Doing so is nothing but sheer stupidity.

    Unfortunately, stupidity seems to be highly contagious.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    The phones Ronald Reagan promoted to the poor had to be paid for by the recipients! Therefore, while they were accessed at a discount,they were not free! Do some research before you bloviate!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    Just another example of a GOP program or idea that gets blasted the minute Obama touches it.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    Obama has no friends in Washington. The Senate handed him his hat as they embarrassed him in front of the world when they told him that his budget wasn't worth even one vote. He publically denounced the Court. The House thumbed their collective nose at him.

    So what does he do? He flies around the country telling us what fools we are for voting for our Representatives.

    Some Democrats cheer him on. Did they go to school together? Did they listen to the same extremist professors? More importantly, do they realize that they are going to get the biggest tax increase of their lives if Congress lets him increase taxes by $1.6 trillion. Raising taxes on the rich will only raise raise taxes by a measely $60 billion a year. Go ahead. Cheer him on, but first open YOUR wallets. Get used to being poor.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    Mountanman
    Sorry, but no. The free phone program is called Lifeline and was originated in 1984. And no, recipients do not pay for it, nor does the federal government. It's paid for by telecommunication companies; essentially it's a tax on them. So this letter is factually wrong, in addition to being insulting.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    Not raising the debt ceiling would've crashed us into another recession and the Republicans would've been squarely to blame for all the ensuing carnage if they didn't immediately reverse position and agree to raise the debt ceiling. No, doing what the letter writer suggests would've given Democrats the House.

    @Mountanman
    "If you meant Ronald Reagan, why are they not called Ronald Reagan phones instead of Obama phones? "

    Obama is typically given the credit/blame for the auto bailout but that was started by Bush. Things aren't always ascribed to who started them. The reason they're called Obama phones is because this was a conservative attack directed at Obama to try and portray Democrats, and particularly black people, as lazy moochers. The fact that Reagan started it or that it turned into cell phones under Bush... well that's just an inconvenient detail that's ignored by those who want to use it as an attack on Obama. Then people pass along the incomplete information they were given.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    @ Eric Samuelson. I looked into what you said and you are correct! My apologies to everyone!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    This letter is a perfect example of the class warfare being waged by the righties.

    It's downright scary and not the kind of America I want.

    Which is why I was so grateful that they were denied power! The majority of the people from this great country placed the hate, the rhetoric, and the class warfare from the right wing in the garbage.

    Which is exactly where this letter deserves to be thrown into.

    Pathetic.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    Mountanman, way to own up! We know that the libs would never do that.

    By the way, Obama phones are the perfect Democratic plan, in that they follow the Demos' MO.

    Take someone else's idea and someone else's money, and use it to buy votes for you guys.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    Noodlekaboodle quote:

    "Regan did offer free phones to low income people. Why isn't it called a Regan phone? Because the republicans are trying to use it against Obama and it wouldn't look good for them to brand St. Regan as a guy who give away free stuff."

    Really???? That makes no sense.

    Now, for the sake of argument, I will just assume it was a Reagan program as you say.

    Consider this:

    Someone gave those people phones. Those people were told that the phones were from Obama.
    Who would tell them that lie?

    Not the republicans, because that lie would give Obama and democrats more votes.

    Democrats? Yes, that makes sense. Democrats would benefit from telling that lie. They would win votes, many votes.

    Is it so hard to see the truth?

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    "Mountanman, way to own up! We know that the libs would never do that." Christian 24-7

    What a pompous thing to say. When you present facts, regardless of your political leaning, you are never in need of 'owning up'.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    First we listen for four years to these nay (neigh)sayers tell us that the first election of Obama was a mistake that would not be repeated especially due to the way he handled the economy. Then they put up a businessman with all the answers on fixing everything and he get soundly beaten by the incumbent (except in Mike R. tally which is by county). Now that they have been proven to be in the minority again they carry on with mindless ways to make themselves feel better like the free phones and gifts to voters (earmarks anyone?). Bobby Jindal tells it like it is from their side of the aisle and still they don't listen...oh yeah, I forgot he isn't in their voter demographic even if he calls himself Republican.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    Oh yeah, I forgot that if a Lib Dem says it, it must be fact. If a conservative says it, it must be wingnut.

    Note the sarcasm, Silo.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    "Who would tell them that lie?" - Christian 24/7

    If only there was some kind of search tool available to aid in that investigation. Here, let me help.

    Perhaps the group telling that lie is the group most likely to benefit from the government reimbursement for the program? For instance, the following two sites show up as primary results when searching google for 'obama phone'

    obamaphone dot net
    freegovernmentcellphones dot net

    When you drill into those domains, both link back to wireless providers...those who get guaranteed reimbursement from the government. But of course, it's much more convenient when the story is something that can be blamed on Obama...because lying is what a 24/7 Christian would do, correct.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    Romney didn't lose because of the House of Representative, the media, Obama gifts, rugged primaries, right-wing radio, lies (Obama had more than his share) or self-inflicted wounds. All may have contributed but the truth is that we, with eyes wide open, chose bondage over paying the price for freedom. Too many people refuse to do what is required to prosper. They want the "good life" today. Worse, they think they deserve it not because of any merit but simply because they exist.

    Romney's message was that effort leads to individual and national prosperity. But that's not a popular message. We chose bondage to a government that promises cradle-to-grave care that they have no hope of delivering.

    Since Johnson's great society, we've seen ever increasing poverty and other social breakdowns among minorities. In 1960, there were more two parent black families than white familes. Today, black families are decimated and on the verge of extinction. Housing, education, employment were more favorable to blacks before Affirmative Action, Dodd-Frank, and other ill-conceived liberal initiatives. Black wealth has decreased by $Bs.

    2012 voters ignored history. The carcass we're feasting on is our own.

  • Noodlekaboodle Millcreek, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    @Christian 247
    First, Since you clearly have the internet do a google search. The program was started under the Regan administration.
    Second, The Republican campaign this whole election was to try and paint Obama supporters and no good freeloaders. What better way than to lie about Obama starting a program to give away free cell phone? I had plenty of my conservative friends email me this urban legend email forward about how the country is going down the tubes because OBAMA is giving away free stuff. It wouldn't fit into their narrative this election to admit that is was actually Ronald Reagan that started the free land line program and Bush that started the free cell phone program would it?

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    Silo,

    So the Obama phone page is only an information page, but who's page is it? It says nothing other than Obamaphone.net.

    Do we have to do this again?

    Who would have a page called Obamaphone.net?

    It is clearly not a republican conspiracy page. That would make no sense. (See previous post)

    It is not the phone company's page. They have no rights to use the president's name and photo, unless...

    The president and his party have given them permission to promote it as President Obama's program and get the credit and the votes.

    Or it is the Democrats own page to promote the free phone program for their guy.

    Ta Da! Still a Democrat propaganda lie! The pay-off was in votes, in this case.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    @christian24-7
    "Those people were told that the phones were from Obama. "

    They aren't told that at all. They're told the phones are from the program.

    "Not the republicans, because that lie would give Obama and democrats more votes.

    Democrats? Yes, that makes sense. Democrats would benefit from telling that lie. They would win votes, many votes."

    Obamaphone is a word used to try and attack the program as being an example of Obama taking tax money from others and using it to give freebies to moochers. You know how I know this? Because we already have an extremely prominent example of Republicans attaching the name Obama to something they want to attack as a tax hike being used to give freebies to moochers. Its' called Obamacare. Or as Democrats tend to refer to it... the Affordable Care Act.

    "They have no rights to use the president's name and photo, unless..."

    Not true. There are all sorts of anti-Obama websites around that use his name and photo. This just happens to be one of them.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 6:50 p.m.

    The Life line program is NOT a Reagan program,
    the Life line program is a Democratic Congress program,

    just more democratic taxing and spending.

    The Obama phone is legitimately the Obama Phone,

    and it certainly bought the vote of some,

    This article is more left-wing nuttery,

    do we really need another crazy nonsensical left-wing democrat analysis of republicans?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:10 p.m.

    re:the Truth
    "The Life line program is NOT a Reagan program,
    the Life line program is a Democratic Congress program"

    The Life line program (available in 30 states) was created in 1984 (during Reagan's tenure) by the FCC, (not Congress) the program was enhanced by Congress under the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

    Which party controlled Congress in 1996? Republicans.

  • Clydesdale Tooele, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    Who cares if Reagan started it? Obama used it to his advantage. Had the Republicans not raised the debt ceiling Obama could not have used it to buy so many votes, which he did. Not just phones but food stamps as well. He's a manipulator just like Hitler was. Didn't you see him threaten the elderly, that he would cut off all social security checks if the debt ceiling weren't raised? That's Hitler 101. "No, there's no such thing as a person in American politics that could possibly do the things Hitler did, and believe the same kinds of things Hitler did. That's simply impossible. We have a balance of powers, it couldn't happen here in Oz."

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    @Clydesdale -- You have no idea what Hitler was like I'm afraid.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    Mike Richards,
    I do wish you would stop it with that silly argument that 'not a single Senator' voted for the Obama budget. That just flat didn't happen. What was rejected was a Jeff Sessions gimmick: a fake budget proposal that he entitled "the Obama budget". This has been very widely reported; the Senate did NOT reject any actual budget proposal from the President. See, for example, the report from Jake Tapper of ABC News.