Unfortunately the demise of fundraising for these players will mean the demise
of athletics at many schools. Most parents aren't able to pay the dues
required by the schools for participating in sports and have to fundraise,
it's too bad the inability of the school districts to manage this will mean
kids won't be able to participate.What Granite did to Scott Cate will
hurt many of the kids who would've normally been able to play football, now
many will not have the chance to play in high school, and many won't be
able to play college either.
No idea of how much money was being raised and spent? They should have just
asked any parent and they would have told you how much it costs to have a child
participate in extracurricular activities at school.
plyxply is right. While there are many who would be "amazed" at the
amount of fundraising that goes on, this is a process that is necessary due to
Utah's lack of funding education. I am speaking about all programs- not
just sports. Granite District policy does not set a good example
and creates more problems than it fixes. There is already good policy in place.
Until Utah steps up and funds education- which we know will never happen, most
kids need to fundraise to participate in school activities.
Just "follow the money" is good advice. And why doesn't the lack
of over-sight of monetary issues surprise me? I thought we had the best
educators in the nation (to hear teachers talk about themselves) and now we find
out they don't know the rudiments of fiscal policy. And it's the
top-heavy administrators, you know--the ones making the big bucks who started as
teachers 20 years ago---that are the most clueless.Go figure.Except you can figue on this, they will uniformly say they need more
Lets get real. What happens is that the donors will just give cash directly to
the players that they recruit to cover fee's etc. This way the kids can
play and it is not a hardship on their families. This means nothing for the
players. What it will hinder is new facilities (fields, equipment etc) and or
sponsors. So what does this mean about UnderArmor and other sponsors that
provide uniforms, clothing etc to select Utah schools?
@plyxplyActually you are wrong. By rule the school can only require
that a student athlete pay a participation fee which is about $70. That is it.
All of the other money that students are being forced to pay by the programs is
not required by law but simply by schools and coaches putting that pressure onto
the students and their parents.I know that it has cost me around
$1000 per year for my son to play HS baseball, and that is just the money I am
required to pay in "donations" and doesn't include buying him
glaoves, bats, cleats, etc.What is going to happen here, hopefully,
is that schools will no longer be able to force parents into raising money for
them in order for their kids to play. They are going to have to come up with
some new means of funding things.It wasn't that long ago I was
in HS and my parents never paid a penny more than the participation fee.
I'm not sure why it cost so much more now than it did then. I'm glad
the state is trying to get this under control.
If a kid wants to go to college on sport scholarships- they know they have to go
through the club systems- not the schools. Unfortunately, Football, is run
through the education system. Teachers want to turf the football fields and feel
they're qualified because they have an education degree. Most are not
qualified to coach. I know of schools in the heart of football country
(Southern States) that spend $300,000 per year on their programs. Are the
educators monitoring in an effort that programs are managed properly? Or are
they trying to takes funds to give to other less fortunate ones? Do I hear
entitlement?Football in Utah is getting better but still has a way to go.
Is the education system gonna help their system improve? They sure didn't
with Cottonwood or Timpview- they're two of the top five in Utah. Be
careful of this next move- you may be trying to level the playing field. Best
idea- let the clubs run football.
The more football gets restricted the more each schools programs will get
restricted. Most schools programs are run from money made off of football and
boys basketball. If these two suffer the rest will follow. Coaches spend more
time trying to keep their programs afloat then actual coaching. Thousands of
dollars are needed every year to keep up with regulations on equipment which the
state gives not a dollar to. I hope that the knee jerk decisions made from those
in charge won't ask the BOT for their input otherwise this could be a
disaster for all athletics.
Duckworth...I wish it were that simple. Then fact is that much of the added fees
are to cover those who have qualified for fee waivers. Each school's
principal must balance the books in house to cover fees for students who are
unable to pay them. The district nor the state covers school fees for ANY
program. Middle-class parents are the ones hit the most in having to cover fees
for other students. So the numbers you see on your child's middle and high
school fee list are inflated to cover other kids' fees. Don't get me
wrong, I actually don't want this practice to end. In Utah, we have many
more programs students can choose to participate in compared MOST states..I know
this because I am a school counselor. Many out of state transfer students are
surprised at the number of programs and electives they can choose from. Donations to schools are essential for programs to thrive for facilities
and equipment that most districts cannot provide because we taxpayers are too
stingy with our money.
There is no way I would donate a dime to my kids school, knowing that these
funds would be turned over to the district to be used at their discretion. This
policy sounds like it's trying to achieve the law of consecration before
the second coming (yikes). I guess my daughters will be wearing band uniforms
that were bought in the 80s because I'm selfish AND certain - the district
would "redistribute" my donation to the French immersion program of a
cross town school.
Duckhunter, You need to get a clue my friend. Participation
'fee' of $70 for football today is a thing of the past. For varsity
players today, those fees are up to $300 and that doesn't include the team
camp that is at least $200 per player prior to the beginning of the season that
ALL coaches practically require their players to attend (if you don't,
chances are you will not get much playing time unless you're the star
player). Those fees pay for the uniforms, updated equipment (a must for safety
in most cases), travel expenses and so forth. The great programs
are the ones who have booster clubs in the community at afford most of the
players who can't afford these kind of fees to play. If you think the
district will be forced to come up with the money, you're delusional. Many
schools would rather shut down the football program before being forced to pay
more money they don't have.Those donors who donate over $10000
annually to a football program will now laugh at the thought of just giving that
kind of money for the district to use at it's discretion!
To put out a different point of view, I am wondering if any people at Timpview,
the parents of the football program especially, if they were or felt
"injured" by what happened and Coach Wong specifically. Yes, some money
was not accounted for and maybe not spent in the best ways possible. But it
seems overall, looking at the big picture, that the amounts of money were
substantial and used well to help many, many student athletes at the school and
upgraded the facilities of the school for more students than just the ones on
the football team. Many teachers, coaches and students (other than football
players) benefitted from these monies. Coaches are not accountants.
Funding, as said well above, is not adequate. You can't run a football
program on 5K or even a 10K budget with helmets, uniforms etc. so parents have
to step up and coaches have to raise money. Now they are overwhelmed with
paperwork and fears for their jobs if they make (honest) mistakes.And in the case of Granite District controlling and alienating Scott Cate, is
Cate being hurt by this or is this hurting hundreds, if not thousands, of
students in the district?
A few years ago my wife and I were asked to serve as booster parents, along with
8 other parents, for our son's High school football team. One of our duties
was to raise funds. We began in April and for 5 months raised tens of thousands
of dollars. As we hung the banners of many of the sponsors on a fence
surrounding the stadium, we were approached by the administration and were told
that we we have to rent the banner space from the school to help pay for other
programs at the school. To say the boosters were angry is an understatement. The
reaction was swift and direct. The funds were raised for the football program
and ALL of that money was to be used for that purpose. If not all fund raising
would cease. The administration backed down from their request. Fund raising
is time consuming and are usually done by an interested party and most people
want it to go to a specific purpose. If school districts get involved and demand
to determine where it will go donors and fundraisers will go away. Successful
programs rely on donors and people who get involved.