Pew analysis: Mitt Romney pulls in fewer Mormon votes than Bush============= Ouch!That's gotta hurt.Clearly says something about the lack of Integrity.
Wow, and I was getting tired of people berating Mormons for their support for
Romney just because he was LDS. Now the critics just look foolish and catty.
Interesting note: about 15% more blacks voted for Obama than did
for Kerry (but of course no one criticizes that ACTUAL identity bias); but 2%
less Mormons voted for Romney than did for Bush (and there was plenty of
criticism running up to the election for that PERCEIVED identity bias). Brings new insight into the art of identity politics.
Maybe it's simply because he changed positions so much, that folks
(regardless of religious affiliation) couldn't figure out what he really
stood for - except to pander to the far right. Joe, I agree on one thing - 2% ?
I'm stunned quite frankly. If you said Ronald Regan in 1984 it might make
sense because that was landslide victory, but Bush?
Was I expected to vote for Mitt Romney because I am LDS?
Good grief:Here's what we know...Romney--MormonRomney--RepublicanRomney--Mormon Republican nominee for PresidentRomney--Defeated in election already held.Election is over, Romney is a
Mormon, now can we please get on with other news?
I know some Mormons who tried to find every reason possible to not vote for him
simply because they didn't want to look like sheep.
Part of it is that Bush got something like 52% vs Kerry whereas Romney got 48%
vs Obama. So that's basically where the difference comes from, a couple
point drop across the board.
I think the more interesting thing is that Obama got 21% of the LDS vote vs 20%
of the white evangelical vote.
DC wrote: "I know some Mormons who tried to find every reason possible to
not vote for him simply because they didn't want to look like
sheep."Considering that we vote by secret ballot in this
country, I doubt that was ever an issue. But if they didn't want to vote
for Romney, they didn't have to look very hard. 47%.... the immigration
rhetoric... fumbling around with foreign policy, pandering to the tea party...
2-3 positions on every issue... it made you wonder what happened to the guy who
managed the SL Winter Olympics.
As well as statistical efforts can be applied:Romney received 78% of
the Mormon voteRomney received 74% of the Utah voteRomney received 58% of the White vote (56:44 split men:women)Romney received 56% of the over 65 voteRomney received 54% of the
those making more than $250K/yearRomney received 51% of college
graduates BUT 42% of post-graduatesRomney received 43% of women
over-allRomney received 41% of the those making between
$30-50K/yearRomney received only 40% of the 18-29 voteRomney received only 27% of the Latino voteRomney received only
24% of the Asian-American voteRomney received only 6% of the
African-American vote72% of the electorate is identified as White.
28% of the electorate is considered non-White with demographics favoring the the
later.65% of the population is over the age of 40.30% of
the population makes over $100K/year (5% of the population make more that
$250K/year)only 59% of voters considered the economy as the major
election issueIn addition to winning the White House, Democrats
gained 2 seats in the Senate and 3 seats in the House.
In a cultural subgroup where adherence to authority is supreme, how is it that
so many Mormons did not follow the expected path? Wherever Mormons gathered,
the pressure to support Mitt Romney was evident, and anyone who refused to
differ was soundly criticized. This expectation may not have come from high up
in the LDS hierarchy, but the implied expectation was 100% support for Romney
for all Mormons. It is certain that at some level word was put out to conform
and vote for "one of us".They day when automatic support for
Republican candidates falls significantly below 70-75% will be a day when the
conforming mindset is challenged. The fact that 78% of Mormons voted for
Romney is not too different that the fact that Utah often votes greater than 70%
for any Republican candidate.However, since voting is secret and no
one really knows how another person votes, breaking with established tradition
is available to anyone choosing to do so. It's not like having to voice
one's choice in public where everyone else can assault you for your
decision. Does anyone ever dare say "Nay" in a sustaining vote at LDS
It wasn't the man, nor his religion, it was the philosophy of and the image
of being in it to help the rich... who don't need help. They are doing
just fine.When asked what Romney thought about NASCAR, he responded
he knew a few owners... not which drivers or tracks he liked. A simple example
of how Romney had a hard time being relatable. But in the end, it was his
message that was rejected, not the man.I would be happy to have him
be in my ward, even a leader in my ward, or even my boss... just not the leader
of a very divers nation.
I'm one of the 2/10 and I'm just glad Romney lost. His politics were a
fiscal return to Bush and a social return to Leave it to Beaver.I
know fellow LDS who voted for Romney because they thought it would be good
"to have the priesthood in the Whitehouse". Don't fool yourselves,
far too many LDS voted for Romney for no other reason than his religion.
I certainly was not a Romney supporter, but I have a question.Exactly HOW were these numbers developed? And following that, how can we be
sure they are accurate?
I don't know that I'm surprised or not. I think people vote based on
their political philosophy more than on their religion or race. Just as no
Republican LDS folk would vote for Harry Reid and no black Democrat would vote
for Herman Cain, I didn't vote for Romney even though I'm the same
religion and race. I voted for Obama because I agree with his philosophy of how
the country should be run. Apparently there are about 20% of LDS people who are
D or independents who lean D.
@one old manIt says here it was an exit poll. So as I understand it
that means that asked people as they were leaving who they voted for, etc.
It's a statistical sampling like all such polls, with a mathematical and
practical margin of error. You can only be sure they are accurate if you
analyze the methodology and data, which literally would take at least a masters
degree in statistics to have a good shot at doing. But Pew is well-known and
you can reasonably believe their results and that they kept the margin of error
under about 5%, a norm for such polls.
My guess is immigration played a big part of it. There are many members of the
Church for whom the issue is of utmost concern and many were likely frightened
by Romney's hard line rhetoric in the primaries. It's a
huge issue for me but pulling the country out of a downward spiral was more
SoCalChris - I mostly agree with ya. Not only is the nation becoming more
diverse, so is the church. When I moved to Durham 10 years ago we had 2 adult
wards and 1 student ward. We now have 4 adult wards, the student ward and and
Spanish unit as well. Not seismic changes, but changes none the less.
UtahBlueDevil, You're absolutely right. But regardless of the diversity in
the church and the country in general, the GOP has to return to being the
cheerful optimistic party of Reagan. My complaint about Romney has always been
his tendency to pander even though I believe he would make a good president.I've been saying the GOP has to tone it down on immigration since
talking head started getting shrill on it around '05. I'm hoping this
will be a wake-up call. Anyway I believe many church members are moderate like
me and that's my theory why there would be slightly fewer voting for Romney
than for Bush.
SoCalChrist,Your last comment (3:33 p.m.) is dead on, on every
Latter-day Saints examined Romney's words and actions and found them not in
acccordance with the Church's advocacy for dealing fairly and honestly with
others. Consequently they either voted for someone else, or just didn't
vote at all. Romney himself, by his words an actions, caused the lower LDS vote
for him. Sad.
Ying Fah,Of course I know lots who did support him. But not all.There was no expected path. No word was put out. At least not that I
saw.And yes, some do publicly oppose folks proposed for certain
callings. Not often, but I have seen it happen.
I am also one of the moderate 20% who could not in good conscience cast a vote
for Mitt Romney. Until the GOP ditches the Tea Party nonsense, they will
continue to lose voters. Mitt was actually a decent governor. It's too
bad he moved his positions so far to the right in the last six years. The right
wing radical takeover has ruined the Republican Party's reputation.
The election is over. Romney lost so let's move on. Whatever's
ahead, we deserve it.
Bad news for Romney
This is an interesting stat. It really just tells me that most Mormons really
are just like the majority of the American electorate. Which is sad. They follow
the mainstream media like sheep. A look at the facts of Obama's first term
would have told any thinking person that he is not the right one to lead the US.
Some commented on Romney's short list of errors that were blown out of
proportion by the media. Let's look at Obama's short list...not
funding the distribution of absentee ballots for armed forces services
men/women, higher everything $, food, gas, taxes etc, higher actual
unemployment, higher debt, oh, and lest we forget Benghazi, as the media tried
to hide it from us as soon as it came out. Romney is a decent honorable man. Not
perfect, but definitely better than socialist, lying, guilt by association
(Frank Marshall Davis?) Obama. I fear for our Country. I am sickened by the
media's doting on our current president. They are not doing their job, not
asking the tough questions, so we Americans must! The truth will set us free.
All this suggests is that LDS people are not mindless followers. But we know
that can't possibly be so... because we've been told we are.
There is no mention here of the LDS libertarian vote that went to Gary Johnson
and uncounted write-in candidates. Plus, many LDS Republicans were so disgusted
by the GOP and Dems during the last election that they stayed home..