I guess it is a good thing that we are to the soft part of the schedule.
Wow.Joe, best of luck with your future.Zac, you can grow
This is a sad way for Sampson and Stout to end their football careers at BYU.
These kids just don't get it. If you don't want to live the honor
code, don't play for BYU. It's pretty simple guys. Live up to the
commitment you signed up for, or don't be shocked when you dismissed from
And that's how it rolls. Personal accountability.
RockarollaUnless you know for a fact that this was an Honor Code
violation, let's not make assumptions.-------VladhagenUnlike some coaches, Bronco doesn't dispense
discipline based on what fits in best with BYU's schedule.
I feel really bad for these young men. I hope Zac and work it out and return.
I hope Joe can work it out and finish he degree. What ever happens the very
Re Solomom LeviYeah right.
Shocked. No way. Goll.
@ shorts"I feel really bad for these young men. I hope Zac and
work it out and return. I hope Joe can work it out and finish he degree. What
ever happens the very best wishes".Why do you feel bad for them?
They knew what they were doing when they broke the rules. They made a HUGE
mistake and are being held accountable! If this is an Honor Code
violation, then I say good for BYU on enforcing it.
"Lieutenant Matt Siufanua of the Provo Police Department confirmed Thursday
night that there were BYU players involved in an altercation and that they were
in the process of making contact with the witnesses and all parties
I heard tonight on KSL that it was not an honor code violation. A fight broke
out at a restaurant and they ended up getting involved. Too bad for Sampson to
end up like that with 3 games left of his career, hopefully Stout can find a way
back on the team.
Elmer,It's okay to feel bad for people who squander their
opportunities, even if it's their own fault, and especially if they are
Elmer FuddWe feel bad for them because we feel bad for anyone who
makes a bad mistake. We don't feel bad for them because of the
consequences. Hopefully the consequences can be the beginning of learning,
growing and healing. It's called compassion. Sometimes we
get a little carried away worrying about wins and losses, and we forget that we
are talking about individuals that are sons (and daughters) of a Heavenly Father
who grieves for his children when they make mistakes. Doesn't much matter
at that point whose uniform they chose to wear. More than athletic
success, we just want things to work out right for these athletes.
There is always a way back to the important things in life and it may not
include football.Best wishes to these two young men as they learn a
valuable lesson about obedience. Which of us have not stumbled in some way. We
learn the law of obedience by the things we suffer.
The details will probably be coming out soon, but reliable sources are reporting
that Sampson and Stout were not suspended for the type of Honor Code violation
that some people are probably suspecting. In other words, it's the type of
violation of team rules that could get an athlete suspended from many other
schools.That said, Joe's college football career is obviously
finished; Zac may still have an opportunity to rejoin the team, but I hope that
both will be able to overcome this set back and be able to return to BYU to
finish their degrees.
KSL News reported this morning that they were apparently involved in a fight at
a restaurant some days back. They didn't have a lot of details, but this
is apparently the reason for their suspension.
Whether its technically honor code or not enforcing their suspension, it likely
will be the "uniqueness" of byu driving the punishment.I've said it before and I"ll say it again.Future
"athletes" will look at Sampson, Unga, Davies, and Chambers just in
recent years to realize that the likelikhood of them surviving 4 years at byu is
slim to none.I congratulate Zac Stout on his upcoming decision to
transfer elsewhere where he can be a normal college kid and have a normal
college experience. There is nothing wrong with that.
@ Solomon Levi "Unless you know for a fact that this was an Honor Code
violation, let's not make assumptions." Come on. At BYU, I'm not
aware of too many players who get "kicked off" a team and un-enroll for
breaking "team rules" that is not an honor code violation. I agree with
many of the other comments- good for BYU to enforce what is very unique to this
school. KUDOS to enforcing it. I agree with Y Grad/Y Dad- Best of luck to these
two young men in the future endeavors/efforts. Re: Stout, that
ol' Iggy's Press Conf. isn't looking too good right now. Hang in
there, Apo! You're the last man standing! Please stay. We promise to get
you more involved in the offensive scheme .... next season!
Chris BNice try, but as usual, your BYU-hating perspective on the
world isn't even close to reality.The "uniqueness of
BYU's Honor Code" isn't even remotely connected to the real
circumstances involving Sampson and Stout.
Yes, Chris, I hope future athletes will look at BYU and decide how they want to
live their lives. "Normal" (anything goes) is your value system and the
bar is set pretty low.
Were they fighting each other? If so, who won? The linebacker, I presume.
Also, what is "normal"? Anyway, good luck to both. Hope they can
overcome this "setback".
Ms. B,Go peddle "Normal" somewhere else. You live in Utah
and are a conservative Republican. Neither of those things is considered
"normal" in the rest of the country or world. I just love the irony of
Ute fans that are a shade less conservative than the BYU people they belittle
but still ultra conservative by everyone else's standards.
Ending up on a police blotter may be normal for some people.
Almost every school has athletes that are suspended for violations and BYU
history over the past few years is that they are in the same boat. I'd
rather give credit to the schools that suspend than those who do not or who wait
until the season is over.
eastcoastcougChris B says he's a non-practicing Catholic, but
many of his views posted on none BYU-related topics suggest his views are quite
conservative.Regardless, when it comes to spamming BYU articles with
inane comments, he's proven to be an embarrassment even to many of his
fellow Utah fans.---------As is slowly leaking out,
Sampson and Stout were suspended because of an "altercation" at a
24-hour Mexican restaurant around 3 a.m. on Halloween night - a sad and stupid
way to end a college football career. It must have been a pretty serious fight
to have generated a call to the police and the filing of a police report - which
I'm sure we'll be seeing details from soon.
Losing to SJSU is a legitimate concern at this point.
I'm sure the administration was left with no choice based on what's
slowly leaking out. Good luck to the young men.I sincerely hope they
finish their education.
Chris B - you give us Utah fans a bad name. Quit trolling on BYU stories.This is the kind of story that you hate to hear from ANY program.
Hopefully these two young men will learn from this experience and will adjust
their behavior accordingly. Hopefully their actions were not seriously
detrimental to the other parties involved.
Here's the complete press release from the police:"On
November 1st at approximately 3:00 am the Provo Police Department received a
report of an alleged assault at the Rancharito restaurant located at 1314 North
State Street in Provo. Patrol officers responded to the scene however many of
the involved parties had left the restaurant prior to police arrival."There are several parties involved on both sides of the altercation and
witnesses. The Provo Police Department is currently attempting to identify and
interview everyone involved in the incident in order to put together a complete
investigation and determine the appropriate course of action. There are
allegations that some members of the Brigham Young University Football Team are
involved in the incident."At this time there are no formal
charges and as such we are unable to release any further information. Once the
investigation is concluded the investigating officer will review the case with
the Provo City Attorney’s Office to determine what, if any, charges will
Solomon Levi:Rockarolla is right when he said these two young men
violated honor code rules. Just so you'll know the Honor Code states: Obey
the law, Respect others. Under Conduct: disorderly or disruptive conduct.
Altercation is getting involved in disorderly or disruptive conduct.
As I understand the report, the young men were suspended from the team for the
rest of the season, not kicked off the team or out of school. The choice to
withdraw from school was theirs. Can't say anything about that without
knowing what their reasons and circumstances were, except good luck. I hope the
next phase of their careers is the better for the adversity they will overcome,
whether it be back at BYU (a possibility for Stout) or wherever they land. I
appreciate the contributions they made to the team, I wish they were still a
part of it!
Chris b is just as conservative as any BYU fan, look at his other non- BYU
related posts. Not sure why he tries to portray himself as otherwise.