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Utah Utes football: Quarterback Travis Wilson, Utes seek first road win against Washington Saturday

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  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:02 a.m.

    hahahaha, that's funny

    UW 45
    uties 3

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:45 a.m.

    nunya,

    I'm sorry your season is over. It was basically over back many weeks when.....

    we beat you. LOL

    I've said all season as soon as the Utes turned the corner we'd be unstoppable. Washington had a tough time with Cal, which says volumes. we're well on our way to 8-5, which is very respectable(when you're a member of a prestigious conference like we are).

    Utah 34
    Washington 21

    8-5
    Mark it down.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    Chris B

    I'm sorry, but your season ended in September with that home loss to USC that in reality eliminated U from serious contention for the PAC 12 south.

    It's laughable that U consider beating up a couple of 2- and 3- win teams at home as "turning the corner".

    5-7 and no bowl is more likely than 8-5 for the Utes

    Washington 31
    Utah 17

    Mark it down.

  • utahutesfanatic Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    It will be a tough game at UW this week, but the Utes can do it if they show up focused and poised. It will take everything they got though.

    As for Wilson. That dude is awesome. He is makings some freshman mistakes, but he really is improving quickly and I have great hope for him.

    I have no doubt that the three freshman QB's on our team are our three best QB's: Wilson, Hansen, Schultz. However, sometimes you still have to give a player time to adjust and understand the game, and that is why it took so long to get Wilson in as the starter. I wish Hansen wasn't lost for the year, but it will payoff in a few years after he returns from his mission healthy.

    Go Utes!

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    utahutesfanatic

    I seriously doubt you'll ever see Chase Hansen playing QB for the Utes. Even though Whittingham dangled the quarterback carrot when he was recruiting him, Chase was recruited as an "athlete", and will most likely end up on the defensive side of the ball after he returns from his mission.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    Sissy B,
    A win over BYU does not a season make. Enjoy the only bowl the Utsies will bo going to this year is the Toilet Bowl. MARK IT DOWN!!

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    Even as a member of the PAC, when was the last time the Utes beat a PAC team on the road? It's been a long time...and this weekend won't change that trend...

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    This game is basically a coin flip, as the odds makers have Utah as a 2 point favorite. Utah, and especially Wilson, need to play like they have the last two weeks. I love how the BYU trolls flock to the Utah articles. Always a classy move.

    Looking forward to this night game in Seattle!

    GO UTES
    >--------->

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    "I love how the BYU trolls flock to the Utah articles. Always a classy move."

    Pot meet kettle.

    ----------

    The odds makers have Utah as a slight favorite; I see it as a battle of turnovers.

    Even or +1 for either team, and the game will be close.

    +2 or more for either team, and it will be at least a 10-point margin for the team with the turnover advantage.

    Several factors are working against the Utes, however:

    Washington is 4-1 at home, with their only loss to #21 USC 24-14 and wins versus #13 Oregon State 20-17 and #16 Stanford 17-13.

    Utah is 0-4 on the road and their only significant win was a squeaker at home over BYU 24-21.

    Washington is 7-0 versus Utah.

    Utah hasn't had a road win against a PAC 12 team with a winning record since the 90's and the Utes haven't beaten a PAC 12 team that finished the season with a winning record since joining the conference.

    Then, of course, we have Chris B's prediction of a blowout for Utah, predictions which have proven to be an inverse-barometer of actual results.

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    Skywalker,

    I like your analysis. Turnovers will certainly be a major factor. One thing that I think will help us is field position. Because our defense is playing well, I think we will start in good spots on offense. On kickoffs, either Reggie will have a great return, or they'll do a short kick to avoid him. On the flip side, when we punt, Sellwood tends to boom it, making their offense have to work hard to get upfield.

    However, road difficulties will be magnified playing the Huskies. They are just extremely tough at home. We can't be rattled with all the noise there, and we have to play poised and smart. We can't have more dumb penalties.

    nunya, Chris B:
    Nice try. How about offering a little reason why, that would give your unfounded predictions some credence.

    Go Utes!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    This'll be a tough game but Utah has come together and put together two great games and this won't be like last year against Washington when we had Wynn go down with an injury turning it over to a then-untested Hays. My prediction is Washington 24 Utah 20 but I could definitely see Utah winning this. They need one of these next two (Washington and Arizona) and then the Colorado game to go bowling.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    @chris B

    dude, I appreciate the enthusiasm, and though your prediction is technically possible, you have almost no credibility whatsoever when it comes to predictions, except when it comes to predicting Utah victories over BYU, which is just about the easiest prediction out there.

    Washington is notoriously difficult to play at home. I do believe that Utah has turned a corner, but it's impossible to gauge how much they have improved when their victories have been against teams at home, and against teams that are struggling. The reason I think they have turned a corner is because they have made visible improvements in execution in all facets of the game every game since putting Travis Wilson in as the starter. I do think they will win, but not by a landslide for sure.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    @Skywalker

    You must have me confused with some one else. I have no idea why you use the "black kettle" reference at me. Please explain. I always like the Utah hasn't beaten a PAC 10 team with a winning record on the road angle though. When's the last time BYU did that? It's been a while; but never mentioned by Utah fans. The rest of your comparision if farily accurate. I have another simple baramoter. Who ever gains more yards between Bishop Sankey and John White will win the game.

    Looking forward to the game; GO UTES >--->

  • ATiredDude Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    45-3. Hmm... I seem to remember similar z@@b predictions before our last game against Washington State and those didn't pan out.

    Let's say 16-10 Utes. We do a little better than expected; the game will remind everyone of the 2008 TCU game; we come from behind and beat them in the last few minutes

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    Skywalker,

    What year in the 90s was it that Utah beat a PAC 12 school on the road with a winning record? Also, when was the last time byu accomplished this feat?

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:41 p.m.

    U 90

    To answer your question to Skywalker.

    Last win against a PAC 12 team with a winning record:

    BYU
    Home/Neutral: 2010 Washington
    Road: 1999 Washington

    Utah
    Home/Neutral: 2009 California
    Road: 1996 Stanford

    Of course, not being a member of the PAC 12, BYU has had far fewer games that meet the criteria.

    Utah has been a member of the PAC 12 for over a season and a half, and the Utes are still looking for their first win against a PAC 12 opponent with a winning record, home or away.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    @Skywalker

    Please correct me if I'm wrong but my research shows the last PAC-12 road win vs above .500 teams:

    Utah - 9/7/1996 @Stanford (7-5) W 17-10
    BYU - 10/1/1983 @ UCLA (7-4-1) W 37-35

    And back to today...

    Washington has the edge at home in a close game but I think IF Utah's offense plays like they have the last two games then we beat them by 2 TDs. I don't see Washington scoring more than 24 points on our defense, the highest score was 27 vs SDSU.

    Our offense has to score just 21 points plus 7 from Dunn or our defense.

    Utah 28
    Washington 24

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:32 p.m.

    @Solomon Levi

    In 1999 BYU beat Washington (7-5) in Provo not on the road. The last road win I could find was in 1983.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    @Solomon Levi

    Utah has been a member of the PAC 12 for over a season and a half, and the Utes are still looking for their first win against a PAC 12 opponent with a winning record, home or away.

    ============

    And who has BYU beat during the same period?

    @Mississippi (2-10)
    @Oregon State (3-9)
    @Georgia Tech (4-5)

    Did I miss a win?

    BYU is 4-13 over the last three years vs. teams above .500, not a single win on the road. Bronco has a losing record against BCS teams.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:45 p.m.

    Uteology

    You're correct, BYU's last road win against a PAC 12 team with a winning record was in 1983 against #17/#13 ranked UCLA(7-4-1). BYU did have a home win against Washington(7-6) in 2010 and BYU has had several recent bowl wins versus PAC 12 teams.

    Of course, BYU's record against winning PAC 12 teams isn't really relevant to a Utah team that still hasn't won a game against a PAC 12 team with a winning record since the Utes joined the conference and that should be the real concern for Utah fans.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:20 p.m.

    Uteology

    You've obviously missed the point. How is BYU's record, past or present, meaningful, when it comes to Utah's task at hand?

    In order to become bowl eligible, Utah is going to have to beat two PAC 12 teams, Washington(5-4) and Arizona(5-4), both PAC 12 teams with winning records, something Utah hasn't been able to do even once since 2009.

    If you're looking for a relevant comparison, however, consider this:

    Unlike Utah 2011 getting manhandled 14-31 at home by Washington(7-6), BYU 2010 did manage to beat the Huskies(7-6) at home 23-17, with Jake Heaps and Riley Nelson splitting time in their first ever game in a BYU uniform.

    BYU is 4-4 all time versus Washington.
    Utah is 0-7 all time versus Washington.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "You must have me confused with some one else. I have no idea why you use the "black kettle" reference at me."

    The reference wasn't intended for you specifically, it was intended for the dozens of Utah trolls who spam every BYU article with mostly meaningless drivel.

    ------

    As for the "road win against a PAC 12 team with a winning record" discussion:

    Let's assume that the minimum standard for defining a PAC 12 team as "good" is having a winning record.

    Let's also assume that as a member of the PAC 12, Utah will be playing 4 to 6 good PAC 12 teams every year for the foreseeable future.

    The fact that Utah hasn't beaten a good PAC 12 team since 2009 should be of some concern to Utah fans who understand that Utah will have to beat Washington(5-4) or Arizona(5-4) in order to become bowl eligible.

    Going forward, Utah will have to beat good conference opponents on a regular basis if the Utes are ever going to be anything more than a PAC 12 cellar dweller.

    btw, BYU doesn't have another PAC 12 road game scheduled until 2016.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    Kudos to Uteology and BlueCoug for their research. Especially BluCoug who was willing to share stats that didn't exactly help BYU. He's an honest guy.

    So, can we put to rest the argument put forth by some Cougar fans that Utah is somehow inferior because their last win on the road against a PAC 12 school with a winning record was in 1996.... YET BYU's WAS 1983. Keep in mind that Utah also beat Oregon in 1994 in Eugene and the Ducks went on to play in the Rose bowl that year.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    That's pretty funny, Blue Coug. In one breath you say, "If you're looking for a relevant comparison, however, consider this." And then the very next thing you mention is results from two different seasons' games. It sure looks like there is a discrepancy between fanbases on terms like "relevant" and "comparison."

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    First of all, I'm not TroyTown.

    Secondly, TroyTown's comparison is meaningful in several ways:

    Both games were home games, just a year apart, against a Washington team with an identical record.

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    U 90

    As Skywalker pointed out, it's not just an inferior/superior argument. For Utah, beating good conference teams on a regular basis is essential if the Utes are going to be competitive in the conference. In their first two seasons in the PAC 12, the Utes haven't been able to beat a good conference team, which is why the Utes finished with a losing conference record last season, and are in danger of doing the same this season.

    If the Utes can't beat good PAC 12 teams, they obviously have no chance of ever winning the conference championship and the likelihood of Utah not even qualifying for a bowl will be high.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    TroyTown,

    You and other Y fans come on UTE boards throwing around stats in an effort to prove Utah's fate is hopeless and BYU is superior. Examples:

    Y fans taunt with the 27-0 road loss to UNLV, but forget that BYU lost at home to UNLV a few years earlier.

    You discount Utah's undefeated seasons while on so many levels 2008 was a superior body of work to 1984 as Utah beat the #6, 7, 18 and 25 teams. BYU on the other hand beat zero ranked teams in 84 and their signature win was either Air Force 8-4 or Michigan 6-6, you pick.

    A recent example is your mention of Utah's 0-7 record against Washington while BYU is 4-4. Yet next week BYU plays San Jose State and are 3-6 lifetime while Utah is 6-1. Does this somehow prove BYU's fate is hopeless and Utah is superior?

    Why are you so concerned about Utah's inability to beat certain PAC12 teams, when BYU has demonstrated they can rarely beat a good BCS team which is essential for an independent program. How's the view from your glass house TT?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Great stats and informaion from Uteology. Let's be honest, neither Utah or BYU have pulled off a good road win in awhile. I hope that changes tomorrow night; GO UTAH!

  • Craig Frantz Spokane, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    @Skywalker
    Thanks for the info. Not being a jerk, just asking; whens the last time BYU beat a BCS team, on the road, with an above .500 record? Both BYU and Utah are over due.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    U90

    "Y fans taunt with the 27-0 road loss to UNLV, but forget that BYU lost at home to UNLV a few years earlier."

    BYU wasn't SHUT OUT by a 10-loss team a week after throttling UCLA.

    "You discount Utah's undefeated seasons while on so many levels 2008 was a superior body of work to 1984 as Utah beat the #6, 7, 18 and 25 teams."

    The fact that BYU 1984 wasn't as tested as Utah 2008, in no way proves that BYU 1984 wasn't better.

    BYU 1983 and BYU 1984, basically the same team, less Young plus Bosco, had a 24-game winning streak and beat TWO Top 15 teams on the road to finish with back-to-back Top 7 finishes. Take a look at how many players on BYU's 1984 National Championship team ended up playing in the NFL and you'll get a clearer picture of just how good that team really was, despite their mediocre schedule.

    BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since the 60's, unlike the Utes who lost to the Huskies at home last year.

    BYU was one play away from beating #3-ranked Notre Dame on the road.

  • ATiredDude Sandy, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    @TroyTown:

    "In order to become bowl eligible, Utah is going to have to beat two PAC 12 teams, Washington(5-4) and Arizona(5-4), both PAC 12 teams with winning records, something Utah hasn't been able to do even once since 2009."

    That's inaccurate. Utah will have to beat at least one of them, and beat Colorado to become bowl eligible. The Utes could beat AZ/UW and lose to Colorado and still become bowl eligible, but that's less likely.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    U 90

    "Why are you so concerned about Utah's inability to beat certain PAC12 teams...?"

    Why are Utah fans so defensive about Utah's inability to beat good PAC 12 teams?

    Just to set the record straight, BYU is 6-9 all time versus San Jose State, 8 of BYU's 9 losses to San Jose State occurred pre-WAC. During the last half century, BYU is 6-1 versus San Jose State, and BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since a 21-25 set back at San Jose State on November 30, 1968. In 1967, BYU beat the Spartans 67-8 in Provo.

    Dig a little deeper and you'll learn that the differences between the BYU-San Jose State series and the Utah-Washington series are HUGE.

    ---------

    Craig Frantz

    In 2009, BYU beat then #3-ranked Oklahoma in Dallas Cowboys stadium in what could easily be considered as much of a home game for the Sooners as playing the Huskies in Seattle is for Washington - the driving distance from Norman, OK to Dallas, TX is only 189 miles and at least 80 to 85% of the fans in Dallas were Oklahoma fans.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    "You and other Y fans come on UTE boards throwing around stats in an effort to prove Utah's fate is hopeless and BYU is superior."

    Anything's possible, but based on historical precedence, Utah beating Washington on the road isn't impossible, but it would be an upset, despite what the betting line may say.

    Washington has already beaten two arguably much better teams at home, Stanford and Oregon State.

    The only chance I see of Utah pulling off the upset is winning the turnover battle by at least +2, or getting a couple of easy scores on kickoff/punt returns.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    @ Riddles "BYU wasn't SHUT OUT by a 10-loss team a week after throttling UCLA"

    Yes, but BYU lost AT HOME to a 5-7 UNLV team. Does this somehow make BYU better than Utah?

    @ Riddles "BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since the 60's, unlike the Utes who lost to the Huskies at home last year."

    Before 2011, Utah's last loss to Washington was 1979. Does Utah's 0-6 record vs. Washington between 1931 - 1979 somehow seal Utah's fate in 2012?

    @ Riddles "BYU was one play away from beating #3-ranked Notre Dame on the road"

    BYU lost to Utah for the 3rd straight year. Does the loss at ND somehow make BYU better than Utah?

    Your stats prove nothing other than BYU is just as good/bad as Utah.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    U 90

    Do you have any idea how incredibly difficult it is to actually LOSE to a 10-loss team?

    BYU has only lost to two 10-loss teams in their entire football history.

    Kyle has lost to two 10-loss teams in the last 5 years.

    It doesn't prove that BYU is better than Utah, but it does prove that Kyle is capable of losing to ANYBODY, while Bronco seldom, if ever, loses to bad teams.

    Bronco was undefeated versus Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, and UNLV.
    Kyle lost to every one of them at least once; some more than once.

    What proves that BYU is better than U is BYU's perennial Top 25 finishes for the last 35 years (18 since 1977) versus only 7 for Utah EVER!

    Despite Utah's "dominance" during the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's, Utah didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994, 58 years after the poll was started in 1936.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    Uteanymous,

    That 2009 Oklahoma team finished the season unranked (you didn't mention that). So Craig Frantz makes a good point that both Utah and BYU are due for big wins. Utah has the upper hand with big-time wins as recently as 2008 (6 Alabama, 7 TCU, 18 Oregon State).

    However, you are missing the point again. That is, your stats do not prove BYU superiority, nor will they prove that Utah's football future is more bleak than BYU's. You guys have big problems of your own to figure out like beating ND, Texas, Boise State, Wisconsin etc. When was the last time BYU beat a top 15 program?

    So why are you over here again?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    Phoenix, I'll use your template

    Do you have any idea how incredibly difficult it is to beat a team (Alabama) that spent almost the entire year at #1? An Alabama team who's only loss prior to Utah came at the hands of the eventual National Champion.

    Bronco has never beaten a top 10 team, Kyle has done it twice.

    It doesn't prove that Utah is better than BYU, but it does prove that Bronco is not capable of winning the REALLY BIG games.

    Despite BYU's dominance during the 70's and 80's, Utah still holds the all-time edge 55-34.

    Like I said, your stats prove nothing that is relevant to this season. Regarding BYU vs. Utah, the only stat that really matters in 2012 is 24-21.

    I've hit my quota on posts for the week boys, so I'll see you next week. Try to come to the table with something other than your useless stat merry go round.

  • reaganyouth Kirkland, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    Who are we playing this weekend BYU or Washington? Let's get back on topic and talk about the opponent at hand, not the one that we BEAT earlier this year.....

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    U 90

    Uteanymous's response was in answer to Craig Frantz's question:

    "whens the last time BYU beat a BCS team, on the road, with an above .500 record?"

    Nothing in his response even suggested that BYU's win over Oklahoma was on par or more impressive than Utah's win over Alabama.

    However, Oklahoma 2009 did finish the season 8-5 with wins over then #12 Oklahoma State(9-4) 27-0 and then #21 Stanford(8-5) 31-27 in the Sun Bowl (sound familiar) and 3 of the first 4 players selected in the 2009 NFL draft were on that Oklahoma team, which proves that Oklahoma was indeed a very good team, better than any team either Utah or BYU has beaten since Utah's Sugar Bowl win.

    Why are you so touchy about BYU fans commenting on Utah articles?

    Many BYU articles attract more comments from Utah fans than articles about Utah published at the same time. In fact, the articles published this week about BYU scheduling Michigan and Virginia have attracted over 160 comments, at least half of them from Utah fans.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    U 90

    "Do you have any idea how incredibly difficult it is to beat a team (Alabama) that spent almost the entire year at #1? An Alabama team who's only loss prior to Utah came at the hands of the eventual National Champion."

    Yes, we do.

    BYU beat #1-ranked, defending National Champion Miami in 1991. It was the game that launched Ty Detmer's Heisman Trophy winning season. Miami, fyi, finished #3, higher than Alabama, which finished at #6.

    It's true, Bronco doesn't have a win over a team that's finished in the Top 10, although he came very close to beating the #3-ranked team a couple of weeks ago at Notre Dame.

    It's also true that Bronco has 3 Top 15 finishes, versus only 1 for Kyle, and 5 Top finishes, versus only 3 for Kyle.

    BYU holds the edge for the last half century, 29-21, the only period that either team has done anything on a national scale.

    The FACTS prove that on a national scale of national rankings and national awards, Utah's accomplishments pale in comparison to BYU's - it's not even close.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    Sports Fan

    Let's tell all the FACTS, shall we? When BYU beat Miami it was 1990. It was the first game of the season, at home of couse. When Utah beat Bama it was for the Sugar Bowl trophy, in Bama's back yard. Big difference. You also had to go back over 20 years for that one. Typical!

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:37 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    When BYU beat the defending National Champions, Miami was ranked #1, higher than then #3-ranked Alabama team that Utah beat.

    Miami finished #3 in the final polls; Alabama finished #6 in the final polls.

    Sorry, but the final polls are the only thing that counts, and your typical Utah spin that 1990 was too long ago to "count" is simply the same old jealous Utah propaganda.

    1990 was only 8 years before 1998, the year Utah fans still talk about like it was only yesterday, when it comes to basketball.

    The simple truth is:

    Utah has never finished as high in the polls as #1 BYU, EVER.
    Utah has never played a team as highly ranked as #1 Miami, EVER.
    Utah has never beaten a team that finished the season as highly ranked as #3 Miami, EVER.

  • Robv VANCOUVER, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    That #1 finish by BYU was a true testiment to the fallacy of voting polls.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:42 p.m.

    @troytown

    When all else fails, jump in to your time machine. Let's talk about the here and now, shall we?
    Ever won the Sugar or Fiesta Bowl? Didn't think so.
    Ever lost the last three, or 8 out of the last 11 to your rival? Yes
    BYU has never won a BCS Bowl
    BYU has lost to the Utah 3 years in a row
    BYU has one player, to every 3 players that Utah has in the NFL
    Face it, Utah football has left BYU in the dust; quick to the time machine.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    When all else fails, pretend that history didn't start until you finally accomplished something meaningful.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah none

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah none

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 15
    Utah none

    National College Football Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6
    Utah none

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18
    Utah 7

    Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 10
    Utah 4

    NFL MVP's
    BYU 1
    Utah none

    Super Bowl MVP's
    BYU 2
    Utah none

    but, here's the rebuttal to your misguided pronouncement that "Utah football has left BYU in the dust"

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    Lets bottom line it, Shall we...?

    Utah is playing a relevant game (In Nov) against a decent opponent. Can war kitty fans say the same?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    @ Just the FAX

    Glorying in the vain things of this world, yet again!?

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    The Utes have 2 chances to beat Washington at Washington slim and none and since a certain person who shall remain nameless and is seldom if ever right has predicted a utah win i,m going to go with none.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    @hank pym

    What "relevence" did you think that game had?

    LOL!