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BYU football notebook: Virginia replaces Washington State on 2013 schedule, Bronco Mendenhall confirms

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  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    I'm really liking the future schedules Holmoe is lining up; lots of good intersectional matchups against good teams in interesting places to play for BYU players and fans.

    Congratulations to Bronco on reaching the 100th game milestone as BYU's head coach!

  • SCCougar LEXINGTON, SC
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Sounding like Bronco is wanting out. Didn't take the extended contract and not looking to reach 200 games...hmmm.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    Drop a road game at wsu to pick up a home and home with Virginia. Sounds good to me.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    SCCougar

    I wouldn't put too much stock in Bronco's response to reaching 200 games as "slim".

    As I recall, soon after he became BYU's head coach he hinted that he might only stay 5 years or so.

    My guess is he'll stay at BYU until he's ready to retire from coaching, then he'll pursue another career path in line with his real passion, teaching.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    Bronco said at the time he declined the extended contract that he didn't want the Y to feel obligated by a contract to keep him around if things go south. Assuming in general that he is a man of his word, I take that as a sign of honor, not that he has ulterior motives.

    He's on a mission here. When that is done, he can go surf and give the occasional motivational speech for $10-$20,000. What could possibly be wrong with this picture.

    Disappointed that there is no immediate trip to the Paulouse for the Y. But Virginia is a nice trade.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    He said "slim" not "unlikely"

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Excited for the home and home with Virginia, but I was looking forward to seeing the BYU Cougars come play up here in the Palouse. Virginia is a lot farther away.

  • InterestedObserver Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    I guess just another case of a Pac-12 not wanting to play somebody tough, sure the Pac-12 has some good school, but they are a bunch of chickens outside of confence.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    InterestedObserver
    Spanish Fork, UT
    I guess just another case of a Pac-12 not wanting to play somebody tough, sure the Pac-12 has some good school, but they are a bunch of chickens outside of confence.

    ____________________

    Meanwhile BYU is chicken feed for everyone else that they can't beat! After awhile the taste or smell gets old. No wonder teams backed out, and will back out of agreements with BYU.
    Zing!

    I suggest you do research and not be selective about SOS. The PAC does just fine.

  • Agustis Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    It is a great thing to play most of your games on the road. The time for playing Utah is past. BYU is on the national stage like Notre Dame.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    Poor Wazzu, bet they wish they could run away from both Utah teams they played this year.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    Someday, our little friends on the hill will finally figure out that there are no awards for SOS.

    Washington State most likely backed out of their home game with BYU so they could schedule an easier opponent to help them get back on track next season.

    Meanwhile, folks behind closed doors are probably wondering if it's still possible to back out of their invitation to Utah and Colorado since neither one of them has contributed anything to the conference in football. (At least Colorado did something in basketball.)

    On the PAC 12 basketball preview last night, they were talking about USC's difficult preseason schedule helping to boost the RPI of the conference. To be kind, they didn't bother mentioning Utah's preseason schedule, but privately they were probably looking at it and saying "good grief" is this a high school team, or what?

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    Isn't Utah 0-1 in the WAC this year.

    Just sayin'

    ---------

    "I suggest you do research and not be selective about SOS. The PAC does just fine."

    The conference, usually, but, Hill, definitely not. The good Dr. has already admitted that his scheduling goal is to schedule at least one patsy (i.e. Big Sky/D1-AA team) every year. So far he's meeting that goal with Montana State, Northern Colorado, and Weber State in Utah's first three seasons in the PAC 12.

    Ironically, Utah ran away from BYU for 2014 and 2015 because playing Michigan and BYU in the same season was considered too difficult, but that didn't stop BYU from scheduling Michigan and several other very difficult opponents.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    Isn't one screen name enough Pac Man?
    LOL!

    Here we go again with selective memory loss from BYU fans.
    Utah & Colorado are part of the PAC 12 for more than just sports.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    "I like the matchup...they play good football." -- Bronco Mendenhall

    Well, they play better football than Idaho or New Mexico State anyway. UVA is a
    phenomenal academic institution, but they don't necessarily play good football. They are one loss away from their 4th losing season in the last 5 years. Bronco must have the Cavaliers confused with Va. Tech.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    With the new playoff around the corner, Top 25 caliber teams will replace the non-conference D2 teams and cupcakes with higher SOS teams like BYU. This will continue to give us a great opportunity to play teams like Michigan, Nebraska, Texas and Notre Dame. We need to elevate our game so we can win these games.

    However teams at the bottom end of AQ conferences, will not want to play teams like BYU. They are looking to pad their non-conference schedules with D2 teams and cupcakes just hoping they can get to 6 wins to be bowl eligible. This is exactly why WSU and Utah dropped the Cougs. I hear Idaho and New Mexico State are available if you want to schedule them.

    As for Bronco, his years are numbered at BYU. I think he was hoping to groom Brandon over 3 or 4 years and then step aside. But that plan is not working out so well. I think we'll see a couple of offensive coaching changes next year, but Brandon will stay. However, if the offense doesn't get going next year, I think we'll see a new OC in 2014.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    SportsAuthority

    "My guess is he'll stay at BYU until he's ready to retire from coaching, then he'll pursue another career path in line with his real passion, teaching."

    I thought Bronco's real passion is surfing.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    WAC man:

    Montana State was scheduled at the last minute due to the Big 12's Iowa State cancelling their scheduled return game to RES. You knew that. Your disingenuity only exposes your soul-crushing envy and desperation. So sad.

    Additionally, Utah did NOT run away from the little brother who lost 3 in a row to us, and 8 of the last 11. The Y had never been scheduled for 2014 and 2015. Michigan was just a more interesting opponent. And it's a Home-&-Home. Too bad you couldn't pull off something like that. Your meeting is a one-off in Ann Arbor. How mid-majorey.

    Finally, apart from Michigan in 2015, the Y is scheduled to play Nebraska, BSU, USU, So. Miss., Cincy, and Hawai'i. So who are the "several other very difficult opponents"? Because I see only Nebraska and BSU. Utah's 2013 and 2014 schedules see Michigan, Oregon, Stanford, and USC, plus rising programs such as Oregon St, Washington, UCLA, and ASU. So really...no comparison. You have only 3 difficult games. We have up to 7.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    upinthenight

    "Utah & Colorado are part of the PAC 12 for more than just sports."

    Don't kid yourself. The PAC is an ATHLETIC conference. It's entire purpose for existing is sports.

    The ONLY reason Colorado and Utah are part of the PAC 12 is because the PAC 12 desperately needed two teams to play a conference FOTTBALL championship game after the PAC 12-Big 12 South merger fell through. Research and cultural fit were only secondary considerations used to exclude particular schools that some PAC 12 schools objected to associating with.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    C'mon Bronco. If you're tired of enforcing the honor code and losing the big games do everyone a favor and leave now. Your hints about leaving aren't helping the program. Hit the road so we can bring in a big time coach like Andy Reid!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    RE: Naval Vet

    "Finally, apart from Michigan in 2015, the Y is scheduled to play Nebraska, BSU, USU, So. Miss., Cincy, and Hawai'i. So who are the "several other very difficult opponents"? Because I see only Nebraska and BSU. Utah's 2013 and 2014 schedules see Michigan, Oregon, Stanford, and USC, plus rising programs such as Oregon St, Washington, UCLA, and ASU. So really...no comparison. You have only 3 difficult games. We have up to 7."

    Nice try. Why compare BYU's TBD 2015 schedule to Utah's 2013, 2014? We can do the same thing the other direction... BYU's 2012 and 2013 schedule (OSU, TX, BSUx2, Wis, NDx2) is vasty superior to Utah's 2010 schedule (BYU, TCU, BSU). If you want to make a comparison trying keeping the years the same.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    and the justification for NOCO this season? Always looking for excuses.... Ute fans = democrats of college sports.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "UVA is a phenomenal academic institution, but they don't necessarily play good football. They are one loss away from their 4th losing season in the last 5 years."

    Translation, Virginia's play during the last 5 years mirrors that of most of the teams in the bottom half of the PAC 12.

    Of course, you intentionally ignored the fact that Virginia finished 8-5 last season (sound familiar), with wins over Georgia Tech (hmmm), Miami, and Florida State - would you consider that good or mediocre?

    As with any opponent, nobody knows for sure how good that team is going to be when you finally get around to playing them - see Utah 2004 versus Utah 2005.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    Troy06

    Give it a rest!

    Bronco never even hinted that he's thinking of leaving anytime soon - 100 more games is EIGHT years away. It's doubtful that Andy Reid would have any interest in coaching at the collegiate level, they're two entirely different worlds, so you can put away that pipe dream.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    People are lining up to play us.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    So you think Michigan(3-9), Oregon(7-6), Stanford(1-11), USC(8-5), Oregon State(3-9), Washington(0-12), UCLA(4-8) and Arizona State(4-8) with a combined record of 30-68 is an impressive schedule???

    LOL!

    Those are actual records that each of each of those teams has posted within the last 6 years.

    The point is, comparing future schedules is an exercise in utter futility. Sure you can assume that Michigan is going to be better than Cincinnati, but where's your PROOF that will actually be the case.

    To claim that any future Utah schedule is VASTLY SUPERIOR to any future BYU schedule is simply blowing hot air - you have absolutely NO PROOF other than your own biased opinion.

    Bottom line: Comparing schedules for next season is difficult enough; comparing future schedules for different seasons is absolutely meaningless. A team that is the belle of the ball in 2013 could be dog meat by 2014, and visa versa.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    I can't believe that fellow BYU fans keep dragging out the same roadkill possum about scheduling. Please stop and move on. It does not matter who we schedule, if we don't win it means nothing. BYU is on a merry-go-round. Teams are backing out and we are having to reschedule. Does that sound stable to you? Absolutely not. It would be better if we are in a conference, with less hassle to schedule non conference teams.

    And for your information Notre Dame is dictating its own schedule as a part ACC member. They are the ones canceling agreements, not the other way around. So stop pretending we are on their level, we are not.

    And I can't believe the drivel spewed by phoenix. Apparently you don't understand anything about flagship academics in the PAC 12. Four of their schools are ranked in the top 20 universities in the world.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    You have to love the Y fans bagging on the U, a team that has dominated the Y recently. Every mocking comment toward the U just makes the Y look worse, don't you get that?

    @ cougfaninTX
    Your assertion is a little off base. The acc, big ten and others only have 8 conference games so they have room for BYU. If the Pac 12 goes to 8 games rather than 9 the game with the U would be played every year. If that does not happen it will not be consitant. Congratualations on being slightly better than a cupcake.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    "Montana State was scheduled at the last minute due to the Big 12's Iowa State cancelling their scheduled return game to RES. You knew that. Your disingenuity only exposes your soul-crushing envy and desperation."

    Your own disingenuity is laughable.

    You whine about Montana State being a last minute fill in for Utah, yet have the audacity to mock Holmoe for filling holes in BYU's 2011 and 2012 with WAC teams.

    The only soul-crushing desperation I see here is a BYU-hater clinging to the hope that Utah's supposedly "superior" future schedules will remain superior, although that's becoming less and less apparent.

    What really bothers you is that Hill exposed himself by running away from BYU in 2014 and 2015, proving that he doesn't think the Utes will be contenders for the playoffs. While other power conference teams are strengthening their OOC schedules, Hill chose to continue scheduling D1-AA teams instead, to give the Utes a chance to be bowl eligible.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:05 p.m.

    Navel Vet,
    You lose up to 7.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    No Conference-
    Yes, and Utah is not one of those top 20. Don't try to ride the glory of Cal, Stanford and UCLA. Utah could win the conference every year and still not rise from 251 and be in the top 20 universities.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    No conference championships for U

    Apparently you don't understand that PAC stands for Pacific ATHLETIC Conference.

    Believe or not, there are hundreds of very prestigious world universities that don't even have a football team.

    If you were actually a BYU fan, instead of a pathetic pretender, you'd know that the only reason BYU isn't ranked higher in research, is because BYU's governing board has chosen to concentrate more on undergraduate studies. BYU does do some exceptional research and its research is ranked at the same level as some of the Big 12 South schools that Larry Scott desperately tried to entice into merging with the PAC 12.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    WacPaddled by USU

    "Meanwhile BYU is chicken feed for everyone else..."

    Said the fan of the team that's tied for 8th place in its conference. LOL

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    roadkill possum

    Actually, it does matter who Utah schedules, that is, IF Hill ever hopes to see the Utes in the playoffs.

    Then again, maybe he's throwing in the towel on the playoffs, just like threw in the towel on Utah's NCAA tournament chances, hoping that the cosmetic improvement in won-loss record will fool Utah fans into thinking that the Utes are actually competitive and relevant.

  • lrsmith2377 Eagle River , AK
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    CougFaninTX
    You mean the Idaho BYU plays Saturday, and the New Mexico State BYU plays in late November?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    gonefishn

    "You have to love the Y fans bagging on the U, a team that has dominated the Y recently."

    Gotta luv the crimson colored shades through which Utah fans view the world. Haven't you learned by now that one game does not a season make?

    Recently, during the Bronco/Kyle era

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 5
    Utah 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 5
    Utah 3

    Conference Championships
    BYU 2
    Utah 1

    BYU has dominated U recently and throughout history using the only measuring stick that really matters - National Rankings.

    Top 25 Finishes since BYU went Independent and Utah joined the PAC
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    btw, in the final year of WAC football

    Utah - 0-1 in the WAC

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    lrsmith2377

    "You mean the Idaho BYU plays Saturday, and the New Mexico State BYU plays in late November?"

    Precisely,

    since neither of those teams will be on BYU's future schedules, they should be available to pad the early season records of teams like Utah who aren't concerned about qualifying for the playoffs.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 8, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan:

    "Why compare BYU's TBD 2015 schedule to Utah's 2013, 2014?"

    Because those were the only 2 years we scheduled Michigan and DIDN'T schedule the Indy-WACers. Y fans are trying to claim they schedule tough opponents AND Michigan, and insinuating Utah will not. I proved that Utah WILL Michigan AND a tough opponent, while the Y will play Michigan and only 2. Try to follow the dialogue.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    Still need another home game to make 6 home and 6 away games. If BYU elects to go to 13 games (Hawaii Rule) then they will need 2 more games, hopefully an additional home game. I think BYU would go to 7 away games only if the additional away game were the caliber of game that you wouldn't want to turn down and would help your season in a positive way. However, that said, the schedule is tough enough that BYU may elect to stay with the 12 games. Anxious to find out what the additional game(s) is (are). If, by a miracle, BYU can run the table next year, watch out BCS. Even if they have one or two losses, it will be a great season. The toughtest game may be Notre Dame, and BYU came within a hair (a mis-communication on the pass play in the 4th quarter), of winning the Notre Dame game this year. All of the scheduled games are winable.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    @ Rockwell
    "BYU has dominated U recently and throughout history using the only measuring stick that really matters - National Rankings."
    I do not know if you have ever watched a football game or not but typically the only stat that matters is the final score.
    I also thought is was a nice touch you did not put down the head to head record Bronko vs. Kyle.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    Uteanymous:

    "So you think Michigan(3-9), Oregon(7-6), Stanford(1-11), USC(8-5), Oregon State(3-9), Washington(0-12), UCLA(4-8) and Arizona State(4-8) with a combined record of 30-68 is an impressive schedule???"

    Wow! What a desperate reach. I gave you a 5-yr window for the Cavaliers because 5-yrs is the length most football players associate with their respective school, and you come back with some cherry-picked data and think you've made a point? Silly frantic and emotional coug. Let's look at the comparative data -- apples to apples, so to speak:

    2008-2012 per team record(s):

    Wash: 24-35 (.407)
    ASU: 26-32 (.448)
    UCLA: 28-32 (.467)
    Mich: 32-27 (.542)
    OSU: 32-26 (.552)
    Stan: 43-17 (.717)
    USC: 45-15 (.750)
    Ore: 53-9 (.855)
    Total: 283-193 (.595)

    Meawhile...bringing up the rear...

    UVA: 23-35 (.397)

    Even in terms of the most recent season -- 2012 -- UVA's 3-6 record is worse than 2012's Washington and Ariz. St. (5-4). All across the board, UVA has NOT been a good team. Case closed.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    BYU fan imposter

    "Apparently you don't understand anything about flagship academics in the PAC 12. Four of their schools are ranked in the top 20 universities in the world."

    I know not one BYU fan that would be even remotely concerned of flagship academics in the PAC12 and why should they? Who would care except a lesser academic program seeking some advantage by association in the same conference. Sounds vaguely familiar to me?

    Why would a 'BYU fan' be complaining about schedule changes and dropping a lowly WSU and playing Virginia.

    You're not a BYU fan. LOL

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Lots of snark about the quality of WAC opponents. Funny coming from fans of the team that actually LOST to a WAC team this year.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    gonefishn

    In the absence of getting even close to a string of rankings of the sorts that BYU has achieved over the years it is understandable that you would pull the 'final score' card for your precious Utes. BYU fans understand Ute inferiority complex fairly well by now.

    But when it comes to media attention, national recognition, please accept the standard norm of Coach's Poll, AP Polls, etc. and national awards for personal player performance in which BYU has several.

    Get this into your head... outside of Utah no one cares about head to head as was well proven in BYU's higher ranking than Utah's after the blowout game. Read it and weep.

    Jealous U.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    @sammyg
    Only in BYU land is the final score not the most important stat in football.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:22 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    LOL at your spin!

    The WHOLE point is neither you nor anyone else on the planet knows how good a particular team is going to be in any particular year in the future.

    Average record over any particular period is MEANINGLESS!

    For example:

    Auburn 2010 - UNDEFEATED, 13-0 National Champions
    Auburn 2011 - 8-5
    Auburn 2012 - 3-8 (giving the Tigers the benefit of the doubt that they'll beat Alabama A&M)

    If this were 2008 and Auburn was on your future 2012 schedule, would you consider Auburn to be:

    A. an outstanding team
    B. a mediocre team
    C. a lousy team

    Try answering the question without any spin or explanation and you'll finally understand why it's IMPOSSIBLE to judge the strength of any future schedule with any degree of accuracy.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:43 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    You just don't get it, do you?

    It doesn't matter how good a team was, is, or is going to be in the future, the ONLY thing that matters in evaluating an opponent is how good that team is in the season you play them.

    Every team is capable of having a break out season that is completely out of the norm.

    and

    Every team is capable of tanking a season.

    Do you honestly think you're so clever that you can accurately predict which teams will have break out seasons, which teams will hit their norm, and which teams will tank?

    If you really think that, you should quit your day job, move to Vegas, and become a bookie, because you'll be the most sought after odds maker on the planet.

    Otherwise, quit boring us with your lame "evaluations" of future schedules that are based on nothing but your own personal biases.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:53 p.m.

    gonefishn

    "Only in BYU land is the final score not the most important stat in football."

    Colorado 17
    Utah 14

    Only in delusional Utah land would fans try to argue that Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah(8-5) based solely on "the most important stat in football."

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:40 p.m.

    It's freak out time in Provo!
    Looks like some of you are worried about the Idaho game. Just look at your unreal posts!

    LOL!

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:26 p.m.

    upinthenight

    What a clever, well thought out retort...

    NOT!

    If I were you, I'd be more worried about Utah's bowl elimination game in Seattle.

  • #utesnation Centerville, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    Whatever you guys need to do to try and bring downt he Utes... I will be the first to say it has been a frustrating year for the Utes... but don't try and say you're better/ have a better schedule/ have been better in the past/ and will be better in the future... when it comes down to Utah and BYU, Utah is simply better. 3 peat/ 8 of 11.. that's all we have to say... and we're in a conference

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    To Rockwell and gone fishin: Colorado was better than Utah on the day they won 17 - 14. Utah's final season win loss record of 8 - 5 indicates Utah is the better team overall. As fans argue who is the better team by using all of the prior statistics you see all over this board, one can only conclude which team is better for a particular year by comparing their respective won/loss records for that particular year. Any other way is purely speculative.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    panamadesnews

    "To Rockwell and gone fishin: Colorado was better than Utah on the day they won 17 - 14. Utah's final season win loss record of 8 - 5 indicates Utah is the better team overall."

    Or to put it another way: Utah was better than BYU on the day they won 54-10. BYU's final season won-loss record of 10-3 and Top 25 ranking indicates that BYU was the better team overall.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    Rockwell

    "Do you honestly think you're so clever that you can accurately predict which teams will have break out seasons, which teams will hit their norm, and which teams will tank?...If you really think that, you should quit your day job, move to Vegas, and become a bookie, because you'll be the most sought after odds maker on the planet."

    Actually Rockwell, I DO think I'm clever enough to make broad predictions as to future performance. Afterall, it's what I do for a living. I'm not a Vegas bookie. I'm an east coast investment banker. Nobody is 100% in my line of business, but, like Vegas bookies, our performance ranks better than average; enough so as to make a decent living doing so. I provided you with a large enough sample to conclude the odds of UVa posting a winning record in 2013 is close to 1 in 5.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 6:21 p.m.

    Phoenix

    Not necessarily because BYU's wins all came on the backs of poor teams. Utah played a much more competitive schedule.